Obamacare

Gern Blansten
Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,248
edited October 2013 in A Moving Train
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... obamacare/
Huffington Post’s Jason Cherkis spent two days at the Kentucky State Fair with workers from Kynect, the state’s health marketplace. He came back with a better understanding of deep-fried Kool Aid (“funnel cake dough flavored with the powdered drink mix”) and this fantastic anecdote.

A middle-aged man in a red golf shirt shuffles up to a small folding table with gold trim, in a booth adorned with a flotilla of helium balloons, where government workers at the Kentucky State Fair are hawking the virtues of Kynect, the state’s health benefit exchange established by Obamacare.

The man is impressed. “This beats Obamacare I hope,” he mutters to one of the workers.
“Do I burst his bubble?” wonders Reina Diaz-Dempsey, overseeing the operation. She doesn’t. If he signs up, it’s a win-win, whether he knows he’s been ensnared by Obamacare or not.

This speaks to a point that others, particularly Jonathan Bernstein, have already made: When Americans actually interact with Obamacare, it won’t be called Obamacare at all. In Kentucky, for example, it will be Kynect, the state health marketplace. In Idaho, local residents will purchase coverage from Your Health Idaho. Covered Oregon will serve (surprise!) Oregonians, while neighboring Washingtonians will purchase coverage from WAHealthPlanFinder. If you watch the ads that states have produced to support their marketplaces, they rarely mention the federal law that has set these changes in action.

This means it’s entirely possible that, even as people start signing up for Obamacare, the program won’t get much more popular at all, something Democrats have roundly expected. “If the ACA works as its sponsors hope, quite a lot of people — maybe the majority — who get their insurance from the exchanges will tell you that, no, they have private insurance,” Bernstein wrote recently in the American Prospect. ”They aren’t getting anything from Obamacare.”

I can't wait for the GOP to spin the success that the state's will have with the exchanges. I'm going to sit back and laugh my ass off.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    Found this interesting. I've long believed the GOP would come top regret the Obamacare slur. Maybe not if their base remains this in the dark.

    http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/08/ ... obamacare/
    A middle-aged man in a red golf shirt shuffles up to a small folding table with gold trim, in a booth adorned with a flotilla of helium balloons, where government workers at the Kentucky State Fair are hawking the virtues of Kynect, the state’s health benefit exchange established by Obamacare.

    The man is impressed. “This beats Obamacare I hope,” he mutters to one of the workers.

    “Do I burst his bubble?” wonders Reina Diaz-Dempsey, overseeing the operation. She doesn’t. If he signs up, it’s a win-win, whether he knows he’s been ensnared by Obamacare or not.
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  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    UPS cutting benefits.

    Intersesting... Due to obamacare?

    If lawmakers want to be exempt... That is all i need to know.





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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Lawmakers and all the unions that demanded Obama get elected.


    Delta estimated its healthcare costs would go up about $100M.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    JimmyV wrote:

    The man is impressed. “This beats Obamacare I hope,” he mutters to one of the workers.

    “Do I burst his bubble?” wonders Reina Diaz-Dempsey, overseeing the operation. She doesn’t. If he signs up, it’s a win-win, whether he knows he’s been ensnared by Obamacare or not.


    Ensnared. Trapped. What's the difference?
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,248
    UPS was cutting employed spouses from their plan. The theory being "If their own employers are required to provide them insurance then why should we bear the extra cost".

    A lot of places are using Obamacare as an excuse to cut benefits. Look at their bottom lines and tell me they can't afford it.

    Wake up people.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Why should any company be required by government to bear an additional $100M in fees? These types of things will do three things, raise fares to out of control levels, reduce benefits, or cause a reduction in jobs. Obamacare is a job killer.
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    UPS was cutting employed spouses from their plan. The theory being "If their own employers are required to provide them insurance then why should we bear the extra cost".

    A lot of places are using Obamacare as an excuse to cut benefits. Look at their bottom lines and tell me they can't afford it.

    Wake up people.


    ...obamacare has set these cuts into motion.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,315
    UPS was cutting employed spouses from their plan. The theory being "If their own employers are required to provide them insurance then why should we bear the extra cost".

    A lot of places are using Obamacare as an excuse to cut benefits. Look at their bottom lines and tell me they can't afford it.

    Wake up people.
    That theory makes sense. UPS is in the business of making money.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,178
    as i have stated before, if a company can not afford to give their employees appropriate benefits, such as those fought for and guaranteed by unions, then they have no business being in business.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,315
    as i have stated before, if a company can not afford to give their employees appropriate benefits, such as those fought for and guaranteed by unions, then they have no business being in business.
    That appears to be the case.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,248
    ajedigecko wrote:
    UPS was cutting employed spouses from their plan. The theory being "If their own employers are required to provide them insurance then why should we bear the extra cost".

    A lot of places are using Obamacare as an excuse to cut benefits. Look at their bottom lines and tell me they can't afford it.

    Wake up people.


    ...obamacare has set these cuts into motion.

    So be it. We can't go forward without addressing the problem. The ends will justify the means
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,248
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/2 ... 18870.html

    I think you'll see more businesses speak out like this. Companies that value their workers won't use Obamacare as an excuse to cut benefits.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited August 2013
    as i have stated before, if a company can not afford to give their employees appropriate benefits, such as those fought for and guaranteed by unions, then they have no business being in business.



    Says the guy that supports the auto industry bailouts.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,315
    unsung wrote:
    as i have stated before, if a company can not afford to give their employees appropriate benefits, such as those fought for and guaranteed by unions, then they have no business being in business.



    Says the guys that supports the auto industry bailouts.
    :think:
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    The idea behind Obamacare was good, but the execution was flawed. I do think we would have gotten a better bill had the GOP chosen to participate in the process. Instead what we got is mediocre at best. Mandatory health insurance does not equal universal healthcare.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,178
    JimmyV wrote:
    The idea behind Obamacare was good, but the execution was flawed. I do think we would have gotten a better bill had the GOP chosen to participate in the process. Instead what we got is mediocre at best. Mandatory health insurance does not equal universal healthcare.
    the gop cut their own throat politically on this issue.

    they refused to participate only so they could avoid blame and blame obama for the failure that the gop was trying to make happen. they can say "we repealed it 43 times" instead of saying "yeah we worked together to get the best possible law enacted".

    voters are starting to see the benefits of obamacare, and eventually people are going to blame the gop for failing the american people by stonewalling instead of participating in the process and making this law better.

    stalling and stonewalling is not offering a different plan, just like threatening to shut down the government is not an economic plan.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    A very large portion of the population doesn't believe in letting the government run their healthcare. There are those of us that want less government intrusion.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,178
    unsung wrote:
    A very large portion of the population doesn't believe in letting the government run their healthcare. There are those of us that want less government intrusion.
    sorry, but most people do not view it as "government running their healthcare."

    your private insurance company is running your health care right now at this very moment.
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  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,248
    unsung wrote:
    A very large portion of the population doesn't believe in letting the government run their healthcare. There are those of us that want less government intrusion.

    We have for profit companies running our health care....that makes a lot of sense
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2