US govt secretly collecting data on millions of Verizon user

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,641
    That's why i end all my convos witha big Fuck off big brother ....

    I could care less go ahead and listen to all my calls i'm a small fish in a really big pond , Tyranny someone said Tyranny :lol::lol:
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Bentleyspop wrote:
    Last I checked this sort of thing went on during the Cheney/Rove regime because of the Patriot act

    Also...not sure if its been mentioned but the NSA was only given the following bits of info...

    The phone number calling
    The phone number receiving
    Length of call

    that's it no more than that


    oh well if that is all then go ahead and just steal my phone bill every month. Think they mind paying it?

    people seem to dismiss all those claiming civil liberties being mistreated because their guy is the one in charge, but without people and organizations willing to fight that fight, our rights would look a lot different today. The gov't won't police itself.

    what's next, google being forced to turn over user data without a warrant?

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57587003-38/judge-orders-google-to-comply-with-fbis-secret-nsl-demands/

    oh shit that's right...

    It is weird, I suddenly started feeling safer at the end of April for some reason, now I guess we all know why...
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  • Guitar92player
    Guitar92player Posts: 664
    riotgrl wrote:
    My understanding, from the limited information I got this morning, was that this is a direct result of the Patriot Act and that they were collecting quite a bit of data not just names and numbers. Also, I understood this to be a 'renewal' of previous authorizations to collect cell phone data which, if true, is even more worrying because it has been happening for a very long time. How this doesn't scare some of you to death is beyond me!

    What you said right here is what people need to realize. This is something that has been done since the Patriot Act, so people need to stop blaming the Obama administration when this is a whole government controversy that has gone though two administrations. It's ridiculous.

    I get why they are doing it, to stop future attacks, but its too shady.

    In my opinion, as sad as this is to say, with how the world is changing technologically, its these kind of things that pretty much keep us safe, but sadly its at the cost of our liberties. I am not saying this is a great thing, but it seems like this is the only thing they can do. Fight technology with technology.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    josevolution wrote:
    That's why i end all my convos witha big Fuck off big brother ....

    I could care less go ahead and listen to all my calls i'm a small fish in a really big pond , Tyranny someone said Tyranny :lol::lol:
    ...
    The only possible issue i can see popping up... someone you know is doing something illegal that you are completely unaware of. But, because either you call them or they call you and you talk about hockey or the new 'Queens Of The Stone Age' record... your number gets captured and you are flagged as 'an associate' in their database 'known suspects'. They might dispatch an agent to your home and talk to you and you will be cleared... but, that does not mean you are deleted from the database.
    You might have an issue with that... like I would.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    some of the responses in this thread are chilling...some of y'all should check out what's going on in turkey and then decide if it's ok to have your constitutional rights violated
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Guitar92player wrote:

    This may be happening during his admin, but this hacking thing is a result of the Patriot Act, started by Bush. It's a shame Obama didn't put an end to this. Shame on him. And shame on Congress who also knew of this.


    a government by the people for the people...I'm really just sickened by all the thing's that started during one admin and just keeps going from admin to admin,this is what(one thing) makes me have little trust in any polition, we were told this was to track terrorist in the beginning and now/then it's an infringment of American privacy and rights.

    Godfather.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,306
    The Government Can Use Phone Metadata To Predict Exactly Where You'll Be In 24 Hours

    Do you now where you'll be in 24 hours? Because now the NSA does, to within a 20-yard radius.

    The White House did its best to downplay The Guardian's bombshell report on widespread phone record collection by the National Security Agency (NSA).

    A senior administration official told the AP that information&nbsp collected includes phone numbers, location data, and call times, but not the contents of any phone conversation.

    That claim is dubious, considering previous reports by AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein and NSA whistleblowers William Binney and Thomas Drake that the NSA gathered virtually all electronic records and communications.

    Even limited to "telephony data," however, the NSA would be able to profile anyone in America with incredible depth.

    A person who knows all of another's travels can deduce whether he is a weekly churchgoer, a heavy drinker, a regular at the gym, an unfaithful husband, an outpatient receiving medical treatment, an associate of particular individuals or political groups," it read, "and not just one such fact about a person, but all such facts.

    ....

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/what-nsa ... z2VTJGUzhK

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,641
    Cosmo wrote:
    josevolution wrote:
    That's why i end all my convos witha big Fuck off big brother ....

    I could care less go ahead and listen to all my calls i'm a small fish in a really big pond , Tyranny someone said Tyranny :lol::lol:
    ...
    The only possible issue i can see popping up... someone you know is doing something illegal that you are completely unaware of. But, because either you call them or they call you and you talk about hockey or the new 'Queens Of The Stone Age' record... your number gets captured and you are flagged as 'an associate' in their database 'known suspects'. They might dispatch an agent to your home and talk to you and you will be cleared... but, that does not mean you are deleted from the database.
    You might have an issue with that... like I would.

    I hear you loud & clear i'm just in a sarcastic thursday mood and yes it does bother me all the intrusions on our privacy being shot to hell but i'm afraid it will only get worse going forward ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited June 2013
    edit... wrong thread
    :eh:
    Post edited by chadwick on
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    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
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    no more forever."
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Guitar92player wrote:
    riotgrl wrote:
    My understanding, from the limited information I got this morning, was that this is a direct result of the Patriot Act and that they were collecting quite a bit of data not just names and numbers. Also, I understood this to be a 'renewal' of previous authorizations to collect cell phone data which, if true, is even more worrying because it has been happening for a very long time. How this doesn't scare some of you to death is beyond me!
    What you said right here is what people need to realize. This is something that has been done since the Patriot Act, so people need to stop blaming the Obama administration when this is a whole government controversy that has gone though two administrations. It's ridiculous.
    I get why they are doing it, to stop future attacks, but its too shady.
    In my opinion, as sad as this is to say, with how the world is changing technologically, its these kind of things that pretty much keep us safe, but sadly its at the cost of our liberties. I am not saying this is a great thing, but it seems like this is the only thing they can do. Fight technology with technology.
    ...
    The thing I don't like is the whole thing about grabbing everything in case there is something bad in there. Who's to say they will only look for 'terrorists'? The data collected will stay collected.
    And the only thing I can say about not caring if they watch me because I'm not doing anything wrong... they can watch me... as long as they get a warrant to do so.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    josevolution wrote:
    That's why i end all my convos witha big Fuck off big brother ....

    I could care less go ahead and listen to all my calls i'm a small fish in a really big pond , Tyranny someone said Tyranny :lol::lol:

    Not funny but I do it anyway.....Sometimes when speaking with my parents I will randomly throw out 'key phrases' because I KNOW they are listening. Kinda like my own fuck you to these assholes that are listening to shit they have NO RIGHT to listen too! I'm talking to my parents for christ sakes!
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    Cosmo wrote:
    Guitar92player wrote:
    riotgrl wrote:
    My understanding, from the limited information I got this morning, was that this is a direct result of the Patriot Act and that they were collecting quite a bit of data not just names and numbers. Also, I understood this to be a 'renewal' of previous authorizations to collect cell phone data which, if true, is even more worrying because it has been happening for a very long time. How this doesn't scare some of you to death is beyond me!
    What you said right here is what people need to realize. This is something that has been done since the Patriot Act, so people need to stop blaming the Obama administration when this is a whole government controversy that has gone though two administrations. It's ridiculous.
    I get why they are doing it, to stop future attacks, but its too shady.
    In my opinion, as sad as this is to say, with how the world is changing technologically, its these kind of things that pretty much keep us safe, but sadly its at the cost of our liberties. I am not saying this is a great thing, but it seems like this is the only thing they can do. Fight technology with technology.
    ...
    The thing I don't like is the whole thing about grabbing everything in case there is something bad in there. Who's to say they will only look for 'terrorists'? The data collected will stay collected.
    And the only thing I can say about not caring if they watch me because I'm not doing anything wrong... they can watch me... as long as they get a warrant to do so.

    That is exactly what scares me about this. When did we become so complacent about our own lives? I feel fucked....and not in a good way :evil:
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    wanna take your country back?

    stop

    stop everything & go on strike by the country size

    i've always daydreamed about shutting down tobacco companies. every single person stops smoking & chewing. in one day they will be screwed. focus is our friend as is unity & strength & intelligence

    throw phones in the trash. 30 days with no phone calls would be hysterical. don't buy the milk full of preservative & steroids
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/opini ... ef=opinion


    "The administration has now lost all credibility..."
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    chadwick wrote:
    wanna take your country back?

    stop

    stop everything & go on strike by the country size

    i've always daydreamed about shutting down tobacco companies. every single person stops smoking & chewing. in one day they will be screwed. focus is our friend as is unity & strength & intelligence

    throw phones in the trash. 30 days with no phone calls would be hysterical. don't buy the milk full of preservative & steroids


    Everyone opt out of paying taxes until April 15. Don't give them a constant stream of spending money.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    unsung wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    wanna take your country back?

    stop

    stop everything & go on strike by the country size

    i've always daydreamed about shutting down tobacco companies. every single person stops smoking & chewing. in one day they will be screwed. focus is our friend as is unity & strength & intelligence

    throw phones in the trash. 30 days with no phone calls would be hysterical. don't buy the milk full of preservative & steroids


    Everyone opt out of paying taxes until April 15. Don't give them a constant stream of spending money.
    everyone would quit working for a few weeks or months rebooting the system
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,599
    Are my cell phone records being kept private really a civil liberty? I'm not so sure. My life is no different because the NSA has access to these records. I am no less free to do the things I want to do. This sounds like a scary issue on face but the more I think about it the less scary it is.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    a lot of information is gathered by monitoring communications

    not cool because it means more is coming
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,028
    unsung wrote:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/opinion/president-obamas-dragnet.html?ref=opinion


    "The administration has now lost all credibility..."

    "...on this issue"
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    republican in office....democrat in office.

    not sure how much more evidence people need to realize they're all the fucking same.
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