US govt secretly collecting data on millions of Verizon user

Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
edited August 2013 in A Moving Train
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Can you hear me now? Eep. The National Security Agency (NSA) has been collecting telephone records of millions of Verizon customers – right down to local call data – under a top-secret court order issued in April, Britain’s The Guardian newspaper reported late Wednesday. UPDATE: The Administration responds, defending a "critical tool" against terrorism and underlining that the government is not listening in on anyone's calls.

Under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) order, the Guardian reported, Verizon Business Services must provide the NSA “on an ongoing daily basis” with information from calls between the U.S. and overseas – but also with calls entirely inside the United States. Calls made entirely overseas were not affected. It was unclear whether phones in other Verizon divisions -- its regular cell phone operations, for instance -- were similarly targeted.


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/us-govt-secretly-collecting-data-millions-verizon-users-013542225.html
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    I find it funny how the left defends Obama and the right hates him. He would be hated by the left as much as George W if he had a (R) behind his name. And the right would declare him the greatest prez since Reagan.

    :fp:

    :lol:
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,601
    Oh Oh

    So the government will know who I ordered my pizza from last week?

    :P
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Oh Oh

    So the government will know who I ordered my pizza from last week?

    :P
    Papa John is going to be pissed. :geek:
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,601
    Jason P wrote:
    Oh Oh

    So the government will know who I ordered my pizza from last week?

    :P
    Papa John is going to be pissed. :geek:
    Plus the government will soon know that when I order my chinese food...
    I ALWAYS get extra Soy Sauce.
    :lol::lol::lol:

    The government could look into every single phone call I have made in the last 40 years.
    And I wouldn't give a rats ass....
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    voices in the air....nobody should be surprised by this,when data is transmitd via radieo freqincy it's to easy not to reach into the sky and collect or listen to it.

    old biker rule: "never talk business on the phone"

    Godfather.
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
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    The government could look into every single phone call I have made in the last 40 years.
    And I wouldn't give a rats ass....


    what about your internet search history? :oops:
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    I find it funny how the left defends Obama and the right hates him. He would be hated by the left as much as George W if he had a (R) behind his name. And the right would declare him the greatest prez since Reagan.

    :fp:

    :lol:

    greatest country in the world! :mrgreen:
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,601
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    [

    The government could look into every single phone call I have made in the last 40 years.
    And I wouldn't give a rats ass....


    what about your internet search history? :oops:
    I wouldn't give a rats ass.
    Im pretty sure the porn sites I visit, are the same one's the government employees are visiting.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Odds on a "Make no mistake" and "I was not aware" today?

    5:6

    I'm not sure how the parley on a "held accountable".

    :think:
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    I find it funny how the left defends Obama and the right hates him. He would be hated by the left as much as George W if he had a (R) behind his name. And the right would declare him the greatest prez since Reagan.

    :fp:

    :lol:

    greatest country in the world! :mrgreen:


    do you really think it's not happening in your country ? :lol:


    The Obama administration has been collecting the phone records of millions of U.S. customers of Verizon under a top secret court order, according to a British newspaper report which raised new and troubling privacy questions.

    While the administration defended its authority to seize phone records -- and stressed that it does not monitor calls -- one civil liberties group called this the "broadest surveillance order to ever have been issued."



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06 ... z2VRNJc2hL

    obama admin. hard at work. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    polaris_x wrote:
    greatest country in the world! :mrgreen:
    You gotta do what you gotta do when you are numero uno.

    I can see the benefit of trending this data.
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Jason P wrote:
    Odds on a "Make no mistake" and "I was not aware" today?

    5:6

    I'm not sure how the parley on a "held accountable".

    :think:


    "I heard about it on the news like the rest of you" is -220 to "will be held accountable" at +125...

    If you parlay all four plus a Robert Gibbs 'republican witch hunt' it basically equals out to a +900. Probably the easiest money of all time.
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Godfather. wrote:
    do you really think it's not happening in your country ? :lol:

    but i don't live in the greatest country in the world! ... way to keep it partisan tho ... the powers will be happy to know that your erosion of civil liberties will continue to happen with barely a whimper ...
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    do you really think it's not happening in your country ? :lol:

    but i don't live in the greatest country in the world! ... way to keep it partisan tho ... the powers will be happy to know that your erosion of civil liberties will continue to happen with barely a whimper ...


    man I hope not,I think all this stuff going on in the obama admin will be remembered as the worst admin in history and all this will cost the American public big time, I said back when obama was running for pres. he would be a big mistake and here we are.

    Godfather.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    polaris_x wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    do you really think it's not happening in your country ? :lol:

    but i don't live in the greatest country in the world! ...

    I do tho... as flawed as she is. ;)8-)
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Godfather. wrote:
    man I hope not,I think all this stuff going on in the obama admin will be remembered as the worst admin in history and all this will cost the American public big time, I said back when obama was running for pres. he would be a big mistake and here we are.

    Godfather.

    :fp: ... considering the responses you got in the other thread ... have you ever in your entire time on this board ever stopped to consider what some people might be saying to you is true? ...

    your continued position to view everything in black and white, right or left, d or r is what makes it soooo easy for this stuff to happen ... this is not a partisan thing ... it hasn't been for some time ... if you spend your days searching on obama is the worst president ever and believing everything written because you want to ... it makes you a sheep ...

    ya - i'm about as socialist as it gets on this forum so i don't expect you to listen to me ... but there are others here who are more centrist-right that will tell you exactly the same thing ...
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P wrote:
    Odds on a "Make no mistake" and "I was not aware" today?

    5:6

    I'm not sure how the parley on a "held accountable".

    :think:
    :mrgreen:

    Godfather, the biker rule you mentioned makes sense - but now, face-to-face interaction is a rarity (unfortunately).
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    man I hope not,I think all this stuff going on in the obama admin will be remembered as the worst admin in history and all this will cost the American public big time, I said back when obama was running for pres. he would be a big mistake and here we are.

    Godfather.

    :fp: ... considering the responses you got in the other thread ... have you ever in your entire time on this board ever stopped to consider what some people might be saying to you is true? ...

    your continued position to view everything in black and white, right or left, d or r is what makes it soooo easy for this stuff to happen ... this is not a partisan thing ... it hasn't been for some time ... if you spend your days searching on obama is the worst president ever and believing everything written because you want to ... it makes you a sheep ...

    ya - i'm about as socialist as it gets on this forum so i don't expect you to listen to me ... but there are others here who are more centrist-right that will tell you exactly the same thing ...

    so you think I'm wrong about obama ?..time will tell.

    Godfather.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    And what about other service providers? Why only Verizon?

    This just doesn't make sense...why gather "anonymous" information - dates, times, calls made from X to Y - if further steps weren't in place?
  • One would guess that either: Those boys in Boston didn't use Verizon? Didn't talk on cell phones? Or the US tracking department is inept?

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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    polaris_x wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    man I hope not,I think all this stuff going on in the obama admin will be remembered as the worst admin in history and all this will cost the American public big time, I said back when obama was running for pres. he would be a big mistake and here we are.

    Godfather.

    :fp: ... considering the responses you got in the other thread ... have you ever in your entire time on this board ever stopped to consider what some people might be saying to you is true? ...

    your continued position to view everything in black and white, right or left, d or r is what makes it soooo easy for this stuff to happen ... this is not a partisan thing ... it hasn't been for some time ... if you spend your days searching on obama is the worst president ever and believing everything written because you want to ... it makes you a sheep ...

    ya - i'm about as socialist as it gets on this forum so i don't expect you to listen to me ... but there are others here who are more centrist-right that will tell you exactly the same thing ...


    you are completely right, the Obama Administration is no worse than any others on civil liberties. They just use the tools given to them by other incompetent administrations and congress over the last 3 decades. Just the fruits of the ignorant labor the general voting public continues to do for these two political parties.
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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    - Joe Rogan
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    hedonist wrote:
    And what about other service providers? Why only Verizon?

    This just doesn't make sense...why gather "anonymous" information - dates, times, calls made from X to Y - if further steps weren't in place?
    My theory:

    Boston bombings took place on 4/15.

    Government approved obtaining the records on 4/25.

    It allows them to trend data to see if other parties were involved. I'm not sure why only Verizon was obtained, but for all we know the other carriers may have seen the same orders.
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Jason P wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    And what about other service providers? Why only Verizon?

    This just doesn't make sense...why gather "anonymous" information - dates, times, calls made from X to Y - if further steps weren't in place?
    My theory:

    Boston bombings took place on 4/15.

    Government approved obtaining the records on 4/25.

    It allows them to trend data to see if other parties were involved. I'm not sure why only Verizon was obtained, but for all we know the other carriers may have seen the same orders.


    probably the most likely
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    I am a Verizon customer so my records have apparently been obtained.

    Still absorbing the news to be honest but I don't feel violated and I don't think this is as big a deal as it will be made out to be. For a few reasons.

    1) I have nothing to hide except one too many late night pizzas.

    2) I've never really considered my cell phone to be an entirely secure means of communication because

    3) I have always kinda assumed somebody somewhere was listening. Maybe that means I have seen one too many movies but this doesn't really come as a surprise.
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    Tyranny isn't around the corner, it's already here.
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    Forget the media hype – Is anyone watching Congress? Why are we paying them or their staffs to feed us reality-type bull.

    --NSA has the authority to collect phone records and listen on calls from any source.
    --FBI has the authority to review AP phone records

    Congress gave them that authority under FISA. Congress even amended FISA twice in 2008 and 2012.
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  • RustyShackelfordRustyShackelford Posts: 127
    edited June 2013
    unsung wrote:
    Tyranny isn't around the corner, it's already here.

    This is a correct statement.
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  • It sickens me to read that people don't care if their government does this to them.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    It seems that this issue is getting bipartisan support in congress ... so we can add this to the list that includes insider trading and pay raises in which there is bipartisan support from our leaders.
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