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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    aerial wrote:

    I figured as much......indoctrination

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    He's more politically fair than a lot of professors I've had. :lol::lol::lol:

    What is fair? Just a matter of ones opinion.......... I believe in right and wrong......I all so believe fair is the cause of the declining morals of America... along with the lack of bravery in people these days....people are actually afraid of being called names! suffering from nameaphobia? :lol:
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    aerial wrote:
    These are the positives...

    Manners, though that is fading
    One wife NOT bought with a dowry
    They marry the person that they fall in love with....
    Equal rights for all
    Women have an importance in the country...they are not just for sex and waiting on men
    No sex with children
    We do not eat dog
    We love our country
    we have a right to bare arms
    we have a declaration of independence and a bill of rights.....just for starters

    Some items on this list are great, but some you might wish to leave off, Aerial.

    You imply that to eat dog is tantamount to sin (I am assuming other animals are fine though?). The US does eat though! In fact, it could be argued that the US almost seems to pride itself on indulgence: evidenced by the 35.7% obesity rate for adults and 16.9% obesity rate for children.

    I say 'pride itself on such indulgence' because the rates are predicted to rise to 44% by 2030. This at least gives the appearance that nobody is really too concerned with correcting what some feel is an epidemic.

    Consider the following:

    Obesity raises the risk of numerous diseases, from type 2 diabetes to endometrial cancer, meaning more sick people and higher medical costs in the future, the report said.

    It projects as many as 7.9 million new cases of diabetes a year, compared with 1.9 million new cases in recent years. There could also be 6.8 million new cases of chronic heart disease and stroke every year, compared with 1.3 million new cases a year now.

    The increasing burden of illness will go right to the bottom line, adding $66 billion in annual obesity-related medical costs over and above today's $147 billion to $210 billion. Total U.S. healthcare spending is estimated at $2.7 trillion.

    That projection supports a study published earlier this year in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine that found that by 2030, 42 percent of U.S. adults could be obese, adding $550 billion to healthcare costs over that period.

    Ouch.

    Not to pile on, but you say your country does not have sex with its children. Numerous stories and headlines would contradict that statement. As well, you suggest US citizens marry the one they love... but a 40-50% divorce rate would suggest this isn't necessarily so. Further, I'm pretty sure there are some ethnic groups that would argue your equal rights statement.

    Sources:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/ ... RA20120918
    http://www.apa.org/topics/divorce/
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    aerial wrote:
    These are the positives...

    Manners, though that is fading
    One wife NOT bought with a dowry
    They marry the person that they fall in love with....
    EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL
    Women have an importance in the country...they are not just for sex and waiting on men
    No sex with children
    We do not eat dog
    We love our country
    we have a right to bare arms
    we have a declaration of independence and a bill of rights.....just for starters

    hahahaha ya right! As long as they're Americans who have "white skin" :roll:
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    aerial wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    aerial wrote:

    I figured as much......indoctrination

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    He's more politically fair than a lot of professors I've had. :lol::lol::lol:

    What is fair? Just a matter of ones opinion.......... I believe in right and wrong......I all so believe fair is the cause of the declining morals of America... along with the lack of bravery in people these days....people are actually afraid of being called names! suffering from nameaphobia? :lol:

    What?

    You can tell when a professor is swaying one way or the other if you use your brain (critical thinking skills, college can help with this). Dr. A is quite good at avoiding it, thus making it fair.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    badbrains wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    These are the positives...

    Manners, though that is fading
    One wife NOT bought with a dowry
    They marry the person that they fall in love with....
    EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL
    Women have an importance in the country...they are not just for sex and waiting on men
    No sex with children
    We do not eat dog
    We love our country
    we have a right to bare arms
    we have a declaration of independence and a bill of rights.....just for starters

    hahahaha ya right! As long as they're Americans who have "white skin" :roll:

    are you being Racist?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    If Muslims, Islamist, Latinos, Germans or who ever come to America and want to acclimate to this country FINE. But when they come and want to change our laws (Sharia creeping into our legal system) our culture then I am not down with that at all.......

    We have a guy at work that has to wash his feet and pray at certain times. He does not understand why people have a problem with that. I tried to explain that we don't do that here..we work at the time we are scheduled to work......while he is praying and washing his feet we are still busting ass doing the work that needs to be done. He does not understand that we need him at the time he is scheduled to help get things done.

    If we wanted to live in the middle east we would move there.....and what I don't understand is why they even want to come here?
    :lol::lol::lol: your culture....

    isnt this country created from people moved there from other countries??
    all Americans i know somehow is related to a european country or SA country..
    irish,italians,germans,british,spanish..etc..
    Jesus....you dont even have your own language...you speak English..
    you know..from England!!!!!!!

    look to other countries in the middle east and maybe you'll understand.

    Godfather.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    These are the positives...

    Manners, though that is fading
    One wife NOT bought with a dowry
    They marry the person that they fall in love with....
    Equal rights for all
    Women have an importance in the country...they are not just for sex and waiting on men
    No sex with children
    We do not eat dog
    We love our country
    we have a right to bare arms
    we have a declaration of independence and a bill of rights.....just for starters

    Some items on this list are great, but some you might wish to leave off, Aerial.

    You imply that to eat dog is tantamount to sin (I am assuming other animals are fine though?). The US does eat though! In fact, it could be argued that the US almost seems to pride itself on indulgence: evidenced by the 35.7% obesity rate for adults and 16.9% obesity rate for children.

    I say 'pride itself on such indulgence' because the rates are predicted to rise to 44% by 2030. This at least gives the appearance that nobody is really too concerned with correcting what some feel is an epidemic.

    Consider the following:

    Obesity raises the risk of numerous diseases, from type 2 diabetes to endometrial cancer, meaning more sick people and higher medical costs in the future, the report said.

    It projects as many as 7.9 million new cases of diabetes a year, compared with 1.9 million new cases in recent years. There could also be 6.8 million new cases of chronic heart disease and stroke every year, compared with 1.3 million new cases a year now.

    The increasing burden of illness will go right to the bottom line, adding $66 billion in annual obesity-related medical costs over and above today's $147 billion to $210 billion. Total U.S. healthcare spending is estimated at $2.7 trillion.

    That projection supports a study published earlier this year in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine that found that by 2030, 42 percent of U.S. adults could be obese, adding $550 billion to healthcare costs over that period.

    Ouch.

    Not to pile on, but you say your country does not have sex with its children. Numerous stories and headlines would contradict that statement. As well, you suggest US citizens marry the one they love... but a 40-50% divorce rate would suggest this isn't necessarily so. Further, I'm pretty sure there are some ethnic groups that would argue your equal rights statement.

    Sources:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/ ... RA20120918
    http://www.apa.org/topics/divorce/

    Never did I say anything is a sin.... I was implying eating dog is not a part of American culture.....

    people are becoming fat and unhealthy because of additive, preservatives, and GMO crops
    At least right now we have the right to get fat...

    Having sex or marrying children is not part of the American culture. Funny how when Muslims are terrorist this is not true because it is "only the fanatical Muslims" that do this....
    but if An American rapes a child(that is what WE call it) then to you, ALL Americans do it....In this country if you get caught doing this you will get jail time ...I think they should get the electric chair but that's another story....
    Americans do have the right to marry the person they love....did I say they never fall out of love?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Can I ask again..without accusations.....if people do not want to acclimate to American culture why do you think they come here?
    I have always wanted to understand this....
    I would never move to a country if I did not agree with there culture....
    Example......I have been to the beautiful country of Italy, Naples to be exact. I was not a tourist I went with a friend that has family there. I loved it there. If it was not for the way the men treated the women (there wives) I would have loved to live there..They treat women very mannerly but when you become a wife the story changes.......I would not move there and expect the people to change to my liking.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    aerial wrote:
    Can I ask again..without accusations.....if people do not want to acclimate to American culture why do you think they come here?
    I have always wanted to understand this....
    I would never move to a country if I did not agree with there culture....
    Example......I have been to the beautiful country of Italy, Naples to be exact. I was not a tourist I went with a friend that has family there. I loved it there. If it was not for the way the men treated the women (there wives) I would have loved to live there..They treat women very mannerly but when you become a wife the story changes.......I would not move there and expect the people to change to my liking.

    Well...

    You keep talking about your country being built upon the principles of freedom and just how great this is.

    Then you talk about people needing to conform to become a 'typical' American.

    If freedom is what you value... then there should not be expectations for someone to forfeit their values in order to fit your picture of what an American should look like.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    edited June 2013
    Having diversity of culture is a good thing.

    We can't just burn in the melting pot
    Post edited by peacefrompaul on
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    aerial wrote:
    Can I ask again..without accusations.....if people do not want to acclimate to American culture why do you think they come here?
    I have always wanted to understand this....
    I would never move to a country if I did not agree with there culture....
    Example......I have been to the beautiful country of Italy, Naples to be exact. I was not a tourist I went with a friend that has family there. I loved it there. If it was not for the way the men treated the women (there wives) I would have loved to live there..They treat women very mannerly but when you become a wife the story changes.......I would not move there and expect the people to change to my liking.

    In some ways I think this is a good point. If I were to move to another country, I would want to learn the language and customs of that country.

    But flipping this over, I would like to see the American people in general work on improving our own culture and customs such that we would want others to emulate us in better ways. We could be more equitable than we are. We could be more courteous of others. We could be healthier. We could legalize marijuana. We could reduce poverty and prejudice and stop consuming more than our share of natural resources and energy. We could do more to make restitution to the First Nations people of North America.

    And what about the idea that we are the "melting pot"? Or is that an outdated term?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    aerial wrote:
    ...if it was not for the way the men treated the women (there wives) I would have loved to live there..They treat women very mannerly but when you become a wife the story changes.......

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    Well.. At least you're consistent with your cretinous generalisations!
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    redrock wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    ...if it was not for the way the men treated the women (there wives) I would have loved to live there..They treat women very mannerly but when you become a wife the story changes.......

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    Well.. At least you're consistent with your cretinous generalisations!

    I have been there.....I lived with them.....I visited many family members and socialized outside of the family.....
    I was around Italians for ten years and I DO know their culture.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    brianlux wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Can I ask again..without accusations.....if people do not want to acclimate to American culture why do you think they come here?
    I have always wanted to understand this....
    I would never move to a country if I did not agree with there culture....
    Example......I have been to the beautiful country of Italy, Naples to be exact. I was not a tourist I went with a friend that has family there. I loved it there. If it was not for the way the men treated the women (there wives) I would have loved to live there..They treat women very mannerly but when you become a wife the story changes.......I would not move there and expect the people to change to my liking.

    In some ways I think this is a good point. If I were to move to another country, I would want to learn the language and customs of that country.

    But flipping this over, I would like to see the American people in general work on improving our own culture and customs such that we would want others to emulate us in better ways. We could be more equitable than we are. We could be more courteous of others. We could be healthier. We could legalize marijuana. We could reduce poverty and prejudice and stop consuming more than our share of natural resources and energy. We could do more to make restitution to the First Nations people of North America.

    And what about the idea that we are the "melting pot"? Or is that an outdated term?

    We are a melting pot...We have set a culture.....why is it okay for every country to have a culture except America? People should realize not everything in life is fair, most learn this as children, it's life. We are not all equal, yes it would be nice if we were but what your describing is Paradise on earth. I wish it was that way but it never will be.......but America does try...
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • blueandwhite
    blueandwhite Posts: 662
    aerial wrote:
    We are a melting pot...We have set a culture.....why is it okay for every country to have a culture except America? People should realize not everything in life is fair, most learn this as children, it's life. We are not all equal, yes it would be nice if we were but what your describing is Paradise on earth. I wish it was that way but it never will be.......but America does try...

    There is no such thing as a set culture. This argument you're making sounds very much like something somebody might have said to justify segregation in the 1950s or slavery in the 1800s. The US like every other nation is constantly changing, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse.

    You may not tolerate that immigrants have the right to hold beliefs that are different than your own however it won't stop those individuals from migrating to the USA and leaving their mark on your society. People have doing it for centuries.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    aerial wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Can I ask again..without accusations.....if people do not want to acclimate to American culture why do you think they come here?
    I have always wanted to understand this....
    I would never move to a country if I did not agree with there culture....
    Example......I have been to the beautiful country of Italy, Naples to be exact. I was not a tourist I went with a friend that has family there. I loved it there. If it was not for the way the men treated the women (there wives) I would have loved to live there..They treat women very mannerly but when you become a wife the story changes.......I would not move there and expect the people to change to my liking.

    In some ways I think this is a good point. If I were to move to another country, I would want to learn the language and customs of that country.

    But flipping this over, I would like to see the American people in general work on improving our own culture and customs such that we would want others to emulate us in better ways. We could be more equitable than we are. We could be more courteous of others. We could be healthier. We could legalize marijuana. We could reduce poverty and prejudice and stop consuming more than our share of natural resources and energy. We could do more to make restitution to the First Nations people of North America.

    And what about the idea that we are the "melting pot"? Or is that an outdated term?

    We are a melting pot...We have set a culture.....why is it okay for every country to have a culture except America? People should realize not everything in life is fair, most learn this as children, it's life. We are not all equal, yes it would be nice if we were but what your describing is Paradise on earth. I wish it was that way but it never will be.......but America does try...

    I beg to differ. Our culture is very fluid and varied (thus the term "melting pot"). The only thing cultural that is truly American is Jazz and Blues. Everything else is borrowed and blended.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Baseball and sports are a big part of your culture. A good one too!
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    aerial wrote:
    badbrains wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    These are the positives...

    Manners, though that is fading
    One wife NOT bought with a dowry
    They marry the person that they fall in love with....
    EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL
    Women have an importance in the country...they are not just for sex and waiting on men
    No sex with children
    We do not eat dog
    We love our country
    we have a right to bare arms
    we have a declaration of independence and a bill of rights.....just for starters

    hahahaha ya right! As long as they're Americans who have "white skin" :roll:

    are you being Racist?

    Wait, WHAT??? Me a racist? Hahahahaha that's some pretty funny shit. Are you trying to get a nasty comment out of me so I can be barred again? I'm embarrassed of some of the fans pearl jam have...... :fp:
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Baseball and sports are a big part of your culture. A good one too!

    It's true, baseball as we know it today is very American but the roots of baseball go back to old French and British games. Jazz and blues are our one true cultural invention (and what a great one it is!)- created by African Americans- a people we and the British enslaved and forced to reside here.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    blueandwhite wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    We are a melting pot...We have set a culture.....why is it okay for every country to have a culture except America? People should realize not everything in life is fair, most learn this as children, it's life. We are not all equal, yes it would be nice if we were but what your describing is Paradise on earth. I wish it was that way but it never will be.......but America does try...

    There is no such thing as a set culture. This argument you're making sounds very much like something somebody might have said to justify segregation in the 1950s or slavery in the 1800s. The US like every other nation is constantly changing, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse.

    You may not tolerate that immigrants have the right to hold beliefs that are different than your own however it won't stop those individuals from migrating to the USA and leaving their mark on your society. People have doing it for centuries.

    Look, if I was not tolerant I would be blowing things up....... :fp:
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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