Background check defeated...Obama pissed.

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  • pureoc
    pureoc Posts: 2,383
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Not much of a surprise here. Once again, filling ones pocket takes precedence over human life.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ap ... d-senators

    Gun control vote: all but three 'no' senators received pro-gun cash

    Analysis of campaign disclosures shows 42 of 45 dissenting senators logged donations from firearms lobbyists

    Dan Roberts in Washington
    The Guardian, Thursday 18 April 2013



    All but three of the 45 senators who torpedoed gun control measures in Congress on Wednesday have received money from firearms lobbyists, according to new analysis by the Guardian and the Sunlight Foundation.

    ...Some, such as Indiana Republican Dan Coats, registered donations from pro-shooting groups as recently as three weeks ago, when the proposal to extend background checks was still seen as likely to pass.

    ...Documents also show the NRA saw a surge in donations to its lobbying arm in the months following Newtown – registering a record $2.7m in cash during January and February. Further disclosures showing the scale of its recent donations, particularly to politicians in the House of Representatives, are expected on Saturday.

    The Gun Owners of America and National Association for Gun Rights – two groups seen as more conservative than the NRA – have also been active in the Senate, giving $9,000 and $5,000 respectively to Ted Cruz, one of the leaders of Republican opposition to the amendment.

    How anyone can support or be associated with this disgusting organization is a disgrace. I don't wan to hear any condolences for any shootings from them or their kind. This is their fault!!!
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    pandora wrote:
    fife wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    As someone said this wasn't expected to pass so I wonder how many got busy and wrote, called,
    daily their representatives if they wanted this to pass .... like the very many who didn't want it.
    It's important to join groups, put your $$$ where your mouth is, contact your representatives
    for the causes you believe in. I hope everyone here put their 2 cents worth in. And 90% of what :?
    not the entire population. Must be Obama math again.... liar.... we see that now right?

    are you telling people to lobby government with $$$? cause i have a feeling that this is the root of all your problems in your country.
    guess if you look at things negatively... which might be a theme for some...
    should I ask why yet again :?

    people join organizations that promote what they believe in and together they work
    for policy they want to see.

    The key word here though was not money but work ...
    hope everyone worked towards the outcome they wanted.

    oh please, I don't doubt for a second that people worked for what they want to see. the issue is that politicians don't really care about the voters and only care about the special interest groups like the NRA. like someone posted here 99% of the people who voted no for this got money from the NRA.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    g under p wrote:
    fife wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    As someone said this wasn't expected to pass so I wonder how many got busy and wrote, called,
    daily their representatives if they wanted this to pass .... like the very many who didn't want it.
    It's important to join groups, put your $$$ where your mouth is, contact your representatives
    for the causes you believe in. I hope everyone here put their 2 cents worth in. And 90% of what :?
    not the entire population. Must be Obama math again.... liar.... we see that now right?

    are you telling people to lobby government with $$$? cause i have a feeling that this is the root of all your problems in your country.
    Jeanwah wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    guess if you look at things negatively... which might be a theme for some...
    should I ask why yet again :?

    people join organizations that promote what they believe in and together they work
    for policy they want to see.

    The key word here though was not money but work ...
    hope everyone worked towards the outcome they wanted.

    It's delusional to think that it's the people who have not bugged their senators enough for the the reason it got voted down. It got voted down due to politics and lobbying for the NRA. Have you even read the rest of the thread?
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Some things can only be confronted with satire:


    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/b ... eople.html

    Courageous Senators Stand Up to American People
    Posted by Andy Borowitz
    April 18, 2013

    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In the halls of the United States Senate, dozens of Senators congratulated themselves today for having what one of them called “the courage and grit to stand up to the overwhelming wishes of the American people.”

    “We kept hearing, again and again, that ninety per cent of the American people wanted us to vote a certain way,” said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky). “Well, at the end of the day, we decided that we weren’t going to cave in to that kind of special-interest group.”

    “It was a gut check, for sure, but we had to draw a line in the sand,” agreed Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S. Carolina). “If we had voted the way the American people wanted us to, it would have sent the message that we’re here in Washington to be nothing more than their elected representatives.”

    Calling yesterday’s Senate action “a bipartisan effort,” Senator Mark Pryor (D-Arkansas) said, “This proves that on a matter that affects the safety of every man, woman, and child in the nation, we can reach across the aisle to defy the interests of all of them.”

    Senator McConnell agreed that yesterday’s vote “sent a powerful message,” adding, “If the American people think that just because they voted us into office and pay our salaries, benefits, and pensions, we are somehow obliged to listen to them, they are sorely mistaken.”

    You are correct when you have Senators like McConnell who make statements like this ^^^^^^. Pandora what would any contact of our representatives do when some have this kind of thinking. It would have ZERO EFFECT and it is a delusional thought to think any lobbying of reps would make a difference in making this bill pass.

    Peace
    Should I take this as a no then? :lol:
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    does anyone else find it odd that "criminals" are the reason we can't do background checks, you know, since criminals have guns...

    and I'm glad O-bama was pissed...he should be...anyone with a brain and a heart should have been pissed....
  • The use of polling numbers in this thread is funny. Does anyone even know where these polls came from? What were the exact questions asked? Who was asked? I know I have never been polled on this issue. This is like saying...90% of the people on this board votes for who Eddie Vedder wants them to vote for.

    Why don't they try to enforce the current laws on the books instead of trying to create new ones? A felon who goes into a gun store and tries to buy a gun is suppose to be prosecuted. In 2010, apparently some 15000+ felons attempted to buy a gun and were denied with a background check. Only 44 were prosecuted...
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    The use of polling numbers in this thread is funny. Does anyone even know where these polls came from? What were the exact questions asked? Who was asked? I know I have never been polled on this issue. This is like saying...90% of the people on this board votes for who Eddie Vedder wants them to vote for.

    Why don't they try to enforce the current laws on the books instead of trying to create new ones? A felon who goes into a gun store and tries to buy a gun is suppose to be prosecuted. In 2010, apparently some 15000+ felons attempted to buy a gun and were denied with a background check. Only 44 were prosecuted...

    you find polling numbers funny then use your own numbers to prove a point...where did you find your numbers...?

    I don't understand why a felon can't own a gun...guns are fun and safe...oh yeah...2nd amendment rights...
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    The use of polling numbers in this thread is funny. Does anyone even know where these polls came from? What were the exact questions asked? Who was asked? I know I have never been polled on this issue. This is like saying...90% of the people on this board votes for who Eddie Vedder wants them to vote for.

    Why don't they try to enforce the current laws on the books instead of trying to create new ones? A felon who goes into a gun store and tries to buy a gun is suppose to be prosecuted. In 2010, apparently some 15000+ felons attempted to buy a gun and were denied with a background check. Only 44 were prosecuted...
    thank you for your good common sense ...
    Everytime I hear our President say 90% of Americans, and it's been a helluva lot of times,
    I have to talk back to him. Nothing naughty just :wtf:
  • You are correct. Guns are fun and safe in the hands of law abiding citizens who have been properly trained in the use of the firearm.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    You are correct. Guns are fun and safe in the hands of law abiding citizens who have been properly trained in the use of the firearm.

    you assume folks are "properly trained"....

    tell me, how do you define "properly trained"....?
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    You are correct. Guns are fun and safe in the hands of law abiding citizens who have been properly trained in the use of the firearm.

    your banging your head aginst a well with this group :lol: they think banning firearms will save the world :lol:


    Godfather.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Godfather. wrote:
    You are correct. Guns are fun and safe in the hands of law abiding citizens who have been properly trained in the use of the firearm.

    your banging your head aginst a well with this group :lol: they think banning firearms will save the world :lol:


    Godfather.

    who's talking about banning firearms....?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,819
    pandora wrote:
    The use of polling numbers in this thread is funny. Does anyone even know where these polls came from? What were the exact questions asked? Who was asked? I know I have never been polled on this issue. This is like saying...90% of the people on this board votes for who Eddie Vedder wants them to vote for.

    Why don't they try to enforce the current laws on the books instead of trying to create new ones? A felon who goes into a gun store and tries to buy a gun is suppose to be prosecuted. In 2010, apparently some 15000+ felons attempted to buy a gun and were denied with a background check. Only 44 were prosecuted...
    thank you for your good common sense ...
    Everytime I hear our President say 90% of Americans, and it's been a helluva lot of times,
    I have to talk back to him. Nothing naughty just :wtf:
    why don't you google the most recent polls in the last 3 months regarding gun legislation? in nearly all of them 75-91% support mandatory background checks.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,819
    inmytree wrote:

    who's talking about banning firearms....?
    thank you!

    though fox news and republicans would have you believe otherwise. fact is most people who oppose this bill get their news from fox news, belong to the nra, or are republican.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,764
    inmytree wrote:

    who's talking about banning firearms....?
    thank you!

    Exactly. And this is why people are pissed. The measure was reasonable and rational and the majority wanted it but the lobbyists and money won out over common sense. We should all be pissed, even gun owners.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,819
    brianlux wrote:
    inmytree wrote:

    who's talking about banning firearms....?
    thank you!

    Exactly. And this is why people are pissed. The measure was reasonable and rational and the majority wanted it but the lobbyists and money won out over common sense. We should all be pissed, even gun owners.
    the nra outright fucking lied and said that this bill contained language laying groundwork for a national gun registry. this false claim was repeated by the republicans who voted against it. fact is, the bill stated in plain english that a national gun registry would be illegal.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Godfather. wrote:
    You are correct. Guns are fun and safe in the hands of law abiding citizens who have been properly trained in the use of the firearm.

    your banging your head aginst a well with this group :lol: they think banning firearms will save the world :lol:


    Godfather.

    LOL! Oh I know it. But enough is enough. I'm tired this big government assult. Even Genius Joe Biden said they don't have the time to enforce the laws they have now...so lets make more!
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Godfather. wrote:
    You are correct. Guns are fun and safe in the hands of law abiding citizens who have been properly trained in the use of the firearm.

    your banging your head aginst a well with this group :lol: they think banning firearms will save the world :lol:


    Godfather.

    LOL! Oh I know it. But enough is enough. I'm tired this big government assult. Even Genius Joe Biden said they don't have the time to enforce the laws they have now...so lets make more!


    still waiting: tell me, how do you define "properly trained"....?

    :corn:
  • Thorns2010
    Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    edited April 2013
    I'm still confused as to how a bill can be voted as 54-45 in support and still not pass. I've heard something about needing 60, and that meaning its filibuster proof?

    When did all that happen? I don't remember be taught in school that you need 60 votes to pass a bill.

    Also if the one main job of the Vice President is to cast a deciding vote if the Senate is tied, doesn't this 60 vote thing mean that the VP is completely useless?

    EDIT:

    I just found this

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2 ... filibuster

    WTF?? Seriously, I knew the US Gov was stupid, but really?? So basically for the rest of time for anything to pass in any way shape or form it will need to be 60% of the vote? :fp:
    Post edited by Thorns2010 on
  • Thorns2010 wrote:
    I'm still confused as to how a bill can be voted as 54-45 in support and still not pass. I've heard something about needing 60, and that meaning its filibuster proof?

    When did all that happen? I don't remember be taught in school that you need 60 votes to pass a bill.

    Also if the one main job of the Vice President is to cast a deciding vote if the Senate is tied, doesn't this 60 vote thing mean that the VP is completely useless?

    You are correct. The VP is completely useless.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    still waiting: tell me, how do you define "properly trained"....?

    gun training and classes...using both hands and being able to hit your target. ;)

    Godfather.