Background check defeated...Obama pissed.

fife

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Guitar92player wrote:

Its a failure of common sense. 90% of America wanted it.

our system is broken.

when 90% of the population supports something, it should be reflected in congress. it should be a no brainer.

it just shows that lobbyist power is out of control. the nra lied and said that this bill would pave the way to a federal gun owner database, when the actual text of the bill made such a registry illegal.

:fp:

I see where you are going with this and I agree with you on this issue. But just because people are for it doesn't directly mean it must be law carried out by Congress. Congress has to take things into effect like say...the constitution, that the general public does not.

Then again, maybe they shouldnt. Maybe they should pass laws based on majority rule and let the courts sort it out.

While i understand what you are saying here but I don't think Congress really cares about the constitution as they are breaking that with their votes on gay marriage. I think this really boils down to them trying to save their asses from the NRA and the like.

polaris_x

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i will just come out and say it.

obama wanted this passed. i promise you that that is one of the reasons those that opposed it actually opposed it.

how do you explain the 5 democrats who voted no?

Jeanwah

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i will just come out and say it.

obama wanted this passed. i promise you that that is one of the reasons those that opposed it actually opposed it.

Maybe Obama should start exercising reverse psychology on the spiteful congressmen.

Jeanwah

polaris_x wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i will just come out and say it.

obama wanted this passed. i promise you that that is one of the reasons those that opposed it actually opposed it.

how do you explain the 5 democrats who voted no?

Why do you think? Just curious.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i will just come out and say it.

obama wanted this passed. i promise you that that is one of the reasons those that opposed it actually opposed it.

actually one of the reasons we/I didn't want this to go thru is that it would just be another step closer to the next bill and the next till someday they try and abolish publicly owned guns all together so to me it was nipping it in the bud right away.

Godfather.

Jason P

Jeanwah wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i will just come out and say it.

obama wanted this passed. i promise you that that is one of the reasons those that opposed it actually opposed it.

how do you explain the 5 democrats who voted no?

Why do you think? Just curious.

They all face re-election next year in red states.

mickeyrat

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i will just come out and say it.

obama wanted this passed. i promise you that that is one of the reasons those that opposed it actually opposed it.

actually one of the reasons we/I didn't want this to go thru is that it would just be another step closer to the next bill and the next till someday they try and abolish publicly owned guns all together so to me it was nipping it in the bud right away.

Godfather.

which is another way of saying, I'm just fine with 40% of guns sold TODAY are sold at a gun show that largely only requires an ID to show proof of age only to enter/purchase. After I buy a duffel bag full I can go down to the hood and make a fortune.

Jeanwah

Meet the 45 Senators Who Blocked Background Checks

An amendment proposed by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) to require background checks for commercial gun sales (but not for sales between "friends and neighbors") was shot down Wednesday afternoon in a 54-46 vote, failing to capture the 60 votes it needed to advance. The bill would have been a modest victory for gun control advocates, while ceding numerous concessions to the gun lobby (the NRA initially called it a "positive development.") Nevertheless, only four Republicans voted for the proposal, with 41 voting against it. Five Democrats rejected the proposal as well (Reid was a special case; see below). Standing with families of Sandy Hook victims, President Obama said that "there was no coherent argument for why we wouldn't do this. It came down to politics."

Here's a list so you can see how your Senator voted:

REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL

Susan Collins (R-ME)
Mark Kirk (R-IL)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Pat Toomey (R-PA)

DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL

Max Baucus (D-MT)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Harry Reid (D-NV) (Voted "no" as a procedural move to preserve option to reintroduce the bill.)

REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL

Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Kelly Ayotte (R-NH)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
John Boozman (R-AR)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Bob Corker (R-TN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Deb Fischer (R-NE)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Dean Heller (R-NV)
John Hoeven (R-ND)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Mike Lee (R-UT)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Rand Paul (R-KY)
Rob Portman (R-OH)
James Risch (R-ID)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Timothy Scott (R-SC)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Thune (R-SD)
David Vitter (R-LA)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)

DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL

Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Ben Cardin (D-MD)
Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Bob Casey (D-PA)
Christopher Coons (D-DE)
William "Mo" Cowan (D-MA)
Joe Donnelly (D-IN)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Al Franken (D-MN)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Kay Hagan (D-NC)
Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Martin Heinrich (D-NM)
Mazie Hirono (D-HI)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Timothy Kaine (D-VA)
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Christopher Murphy (D-CT)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
John Reed (D-RI)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Brian Schatz (D-HI)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Jon Tester (D-MT)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Tom Udall (D-NM)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)
INDEPENDENTS

Angus King (I-ME): Yea
Bernie Sanders (I-VT): Yea

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... s-proposal

In a statement, the NRA hailed the defeat of the amendment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22194299

polaris_x

Jeanwah wrote:

Why do you think? Just curious.

i believe the senators were from more rural states (not many huge urban centres) where hunting and access to guns is seen as a litmus for freedoms ... i think the NRA targeted senators in these states and considered them vulnerable to their constituents ...

josevolution

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i will just come out and say it.

obama wanted this passed. i promise you that that is one of the reasons those that opposed it actually opposed it.

actually one of the reasons we/I didn't want this to go thru is that it would just be another step closer to the next bill and the next till someday they try and abolish publicly owned guns all together so to me it was nipping it in the bud right away.

Godfather.

So you are ok with anybody purchasing weapons at any time , a felon just spent 10yrs in the slammer , a patient who just got discharged from a mental institute , a homegrown alqueda cell living next door to you ...

Because that's what is happening now anybody can buy weapons anytime they wish with out anybody knwing about it ....

josevolution

Jeanwah wrote:

Meet the 45 Senators Who Blocked Background Checks

An amendment proposed by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) to require background checks for commercial gun sales (but not for sales between "friends and neighbors") was shot down Wednesday afternoon in a 54-46 vote, failing to capture the 60 votes it needed to advance. The bill would have been a modest victory for gun control advocates, while ceding numerous concessions to the gun lobby (the NRA initially called it a "positive development.") Nevertheless, only four Republicans voted for the proposal, with 41 voting against it. Five Democrats rejected the proposal as well (Reid was a special case; see below). Standing with families of Sandy Hook victims, President Obama said that "there was no coherent argument for why we wouldn't do this. It came down to politics."

Here's a list so you can see how your Senator voted:

REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL

Susan Collins (R-ME)
Mark Kirk (R-IL)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Pat Toomey (R-PA)

DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL

Max Baucus (D-MT)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Harry Reid (D-NV) (Voted "no" as a procedural move to preserve option to reintroduce the bill.)

REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL

Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Kelly Ayotte (R-NH)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
John Boozman (R-AR)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Bob Corker (R-TN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Deb Fischer (R-NE)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Dean Heller (R-NV)
John Hoeven (R-ND)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Mike Lee (R-UT)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Rand Paul (R-KY)
Rob Portman (R-OH)
James Risch (R-ID)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Timothy Scott (R-SC)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Thune (R-SD)
David Vitter (R-LA)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)

DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL

Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Ben Cardin (D-MD)
Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Bob Casey (D-PA)
Christopher Coons (D-DE)
William "Mo" Cowan (D-MA)
Joe Donnelly (D-IN)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Al Franken (D-MN)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Kay Hagan (D-NC)
Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Martin Heinrich (D-NM)
Mazie Hirono (D-HI)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Timothy Kaine (D-VA)
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Christopher Murphy (D-CT)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
John Reed (D-RI)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Brian Schatz (D-HI)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Jon Tester (D-MT)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Tom Udall (D-NM)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)
INDEPENDENTS

Angus King (I-ME): Yea
Bernie Sanders (I-VT): Yea

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... s-proposal

In a statement, the NRA hailed the defeat of the amendment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22194299

Great now onto emailing these pricks ..

Godfather.

mickeyrat wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i will just come out and say it.

obama wanted this passed. i promise you that that is one of the reasons those that opposed it actually opposed it.

actually one of the reasons we/I didn't want this to go thru is that it would just be another step closer to the next bill and the next till someday they try and abolish publicly owned guns all together so to me it was nipping it in the bud right away.

Godfather.

which is another way of saying, I'm just fine with 40% of guns sold TODAY are sold at a gun show that largely only requires an ID to show proof of age only to enter/purchase. After I buy a duffel bag full I can go down to the hood and make a fortune.

really ? comon man, have you or anybody you know ever bought " a duffel bag" full of guns at a gun show for anywere from $200 to a few thousand bucks ea. and then sold them in the hood ???? not a real strong business move.


Godfather.

polaris_x

Godfather. wrote:

really ? comon man, have you or anybody you know ever bought " a duffel bag" full of guns at a gun show for anywere from $200 to a few thousand bucks ea. and then sold them in the hood ???? not a real strong business move.


Godfather.

you can get a mark up of over 500% here in canada where there are stricter gun laws ...

Godfather.

:thumbup:
thank you !

REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL

Susan Collins (R-ME)
Mark Kirk (R-IL)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Pat Toomey (R-PA)

DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL

Max Baucus (D-MT)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Harry Reid (D-NV) (Voted "no" as a procedural move to preserve option to reintroduce the bill.)

REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL

Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Kelly Ayotte (R-NH)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
John Boozman (R-AR)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Bob Corker (R-TN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Deb Fischer (R-NE)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Dean Heller (R-NV)
John Hoeven (R-ND)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Mike Lee (R-UT)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Rand Paul (R-KY)
Rob Portman (R-OH)
James Risch (R-ID)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Timothy Scott (R-SC)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Thune (R-SD)
David Vitter (R-LA)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)

DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL

Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Ben Cardin (D-MD)
Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Bob Casey (D-PA)
Christopher Coons (D-DE)
William "Mo" Cowan (D-MA)
Joe Donnelly (D-IN)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Al Franken (D-MN)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Kay Hagan (D-NC)
Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Martin Heinrich (D-NM)
Mazie Hirono (D-HI)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Timothy Kaine (D-VA)
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Christopher Murphy (D-CT)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
John Reed (D-RI)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Brian Schatz (D-HI)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Jon Tester (D-MT)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Tom Udall (D-NM)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)
INDEPENDENTS

Angus King (I-ME): Yea
Bernie Sanders (I-VT): Yea

sorry guys but this is something I believe strongly in.


Godfather.

mickeyrat

Godfather. wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

actually one of the reasons we/I didn't want this to go thru is that it would just be another step closer to the next bill and the next till someday they try and abolish publicly owned guns all together so to me it was nipping it in the bud right away.

Godfather.

which is another way of saying, I'm just fine with 40% of guns sold TODAY are sold at a gun show that largely only requires an ID to show proof of age only to enter/purchase. After I buy a duffel bag full I can go down to the hood and make a fortune.

really ? comon man, have you or anybody you know ever bought " a duffel bag" full of guns at a gun show for anywere from $200 to a few thousand bucks ea. and then sold them in the hood ???? not a real strong business move.


Godfather.

Yes, I was exagerating a little but the point holds true , in any quantity.

Please enlighten me then GF, just how do weapons make their way to the blackmarket?
They cant ALL be from theft of the law=abiding responsible gun owner(you know, the ones who know how to handle and safely store their weapons) can they?

Godfather.

polaris_x wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

really ? comon man, have you or anybody you know ever bought " a duffel bag" full of guns at a gun show for anywere from $200 to a few thousand bucks ea. and then sold them in the hood ???? not a real strong business move.


Godfather.

you can get a mark up of over 500% here in canada where there are stricter gun laws ...

are publicly owned guns illegal in Canada ?

Godfather.

Jeanwah

Jason P wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

how do you explain the 5 democrats who voted no?

Why do you think? Just curious.

They all face re-election next year in red states.

They actually don't.

Heidi Heitkamp just voted in in January, term ends 2019
Mark Pryor's term ends 2015
Max Baucus is seeking re-election 2014 after 6 terms already (where's the limits??)
Harry Reid is up for a 6th term in 2016 (again... limits?)
Mark Begich term ends in 2016

That's one person worried about re-election next year.

josevolution

Godfather. wrote:

:thumbup:
thank you !

REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL

Susan Collins (R-ME)
Mark Kirk (R-IL)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Pat Toomey (R-PA)

DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL

Max Baucus (D-MT)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Harry Reid (D-NV) (Voted "no" as a procedural move to preserve option to reintroduce the bill.)

REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL

Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Kelly Ayotte (R-NH)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
John Boozman (R-AR)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Bob Corker (R-TN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Deb Fischer (R-NE)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Dean Heller (R-NV)
John Hoeven (R-ND)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Mike Lee (R-UT)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Rand Paul (R-KY)
Rob Portman (R-OH)
James Risch (R-ID)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Timothy Scott (R-SC)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Thune (R-SD)
David Vitter (R-LA)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)

DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL

Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Ben Cardin (D-MD)
Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Bob Casey (D-PA)
Christopher Coons (D-DE)
William "Mo" Cowan (D-MA)
Joe Donnelly (D-IN)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Al Franken (D-MN)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Kay Hagan (D-NC)
Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Martin Heinrich (D-NM)
Mazie Hirono (D-HI)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Timothy Kaine (D-VA)
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Christopher Murphy (D-CT)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
John Reed (D-RI)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Brian Schatz (D-HI)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Jon Tester (D-MT)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Tom Udall (D-NM)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)
INDEPENDENTS

Angus King (I-ME): Yea
Bernie Sanders (I-VT): Yea

sorry guys but this is something I believe strongly in.


Godfather.

I ask again you are ok with anybody buying weapons of all kinds at anytime , like a felon just spent 10yrs for armed robbery , a mental pt who just got discharged , an alqueda cell living amongst us because that is what you're applauding so just for the record you have no problem with this ? ..and if you don't believe that this is what's happening i'd say you are living in a hole ....

polaris_x

Godfather. wrote:

are publicly owned guns illegal in Canada ?

Godfather.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol- ... fs-eng.htm

you can buy guns here except you have to go through a background check and you have to hold a valid license that expires ... and needs to be updated ...

i find it absolutely mind-boggling that people would be opposed to regulating the distribution and access to firearms ... heck, everyone needs a drivers license to drive but asking people to register their guns is bad!? ...

Jason P

Jeanwah wrote:

They actually don't.

Heidi Heitkamp just voted in in January, term ends 2019
Mark Pryor's term ends 2015
Max Baucus is seeking re-election 2014 after 6 terms already (where's the limits??)
Harry Reid is up for a 6th term in 2016 (again... limits?)
Mark Begich term ends in 2016

That's one person worried about re-election next year.

Hmm, I thought they were.

Well, I guess they are representing their constituancy then.