But here’s the thing about rights. They’re not actually supposed to be voted on. That’s why they’re called rights. ---Rachel Maddow, Aug 2010
This quote doesn't fit due to the fact that no one is taking your rights away.
no but they keep trying.
Godfather.
Personally, I think corporations are doing more to take away our rights than anything the government is doing. Where's the tyranny against Big Ag, Big Pharma, Big Banks?
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
But here’s the thing about rights. They’re not actually supposed to be voted on. That’s why they’re called rights. ---Rachel Maddow, Aug 2010
This quote doesn't fit due to the fact that no one is taking your rights away.
no but they keep trying.
Godfather.
i don't see that concerning gun ownership, i do agree that the government does try to take rights away. for example the R who apparently care about rights are trying to take rights away from the LGBT community.
You guys read Gabby Gifford's editorial that came out last night?
Powerful stuff...
A Senate in the Gun Lobby’s Grip
By GABRIELLE GIFFORDS
Published: April 17, 2013
SENATORS say they fear the N.R.A. and the gun lobby. But I think that fear must be nothing compared to the fear the first graders in Sandy Hook Elementary School felt as their lives ended in a hail of bullets. The fear that those children who survived the massacre must feel every time they remember their teachers stacking them into closets and bathrooms, whispering that they loved them, so that love would be the last thing the students heard if the gunman found them.
On Wednesday, a minority of senators gave into fear and blocked common-sense legislation that would have made it harder for criminals and people with dangerous mental illnesses to get hold of deadly firearms — a bill that could prevent future tragedies like those in Newtown, Conn., Aurora, Colo., Blacksburg, Va., and too many communities to count.
Some of the senators who voted against the background-check amendments have met with grieving parents whose children were murdered at Sandy Hook, in Newtown. Some of the senators who voted no have also looked into my eyes as I talked about my experience being shot in the head at point-blank range in suburban Tucson two years ago, and expressed sympathy for the 18 other people shot besides me, 6 of whom died. These senators have heard from their constituents — who polls show overwhelmingly favored expanding background checks. And still these senators decided to do nothing. Shame on them.
I watch TV and read the papers like everyone else. We know what we’re going to hear: vague platitudes like “tough vote” and “complicated issue.” I was elected six times to represent southern Arizona, in the State Legislature and then in Congress. I know what a complicated issue is; I know what it feels like to take a tough vote. This was neither. These senators made their decision based on political fear and on cold calculations about the money of special interests like the National Rifle Association, which in the last election cycle spent around $25 million on contributions, lobbying and outside spending.
Speaking is physically difficult for me. But my feelings are clear: I’m furious. I will not rest until we have righted the wrong these senators have done, and until we have changed our laws so we can look parents in the face and say: We are trying to keep your children safe. We cannot allow the status quo — desperately protected by the gun lobby so that they can make more money by spreading fear and misinformation — to go on.
I am asking every reasonable American to help me tell the truth about the cowardice these senators demonstrated. I am asking for mothers to stop these lawmakers at the grocery store and tell them: You’ve lost my vote. I am asking activists to unsubscribe from these senators’ e-mail lists and to stop giving them money. I’m asking citizens to go to their offices and say: You’ve disappointed me, and there will be consequences.
People have told me that I’m courageous, but I have seen greater courage. Gabe Zimmerman, my friend and staff member in whose honor we dedicated a room in the United States Capitol this week, saw me shot in the head and saw the shooter turn his gunfire on others. Gabe ran toward me as I lay bleeding. Toward gunfire. And then the gunman shot him, and then Gabe died. His body lay on the pavement in front of the Safeway for hours.
I have thought a lot about why Gabe ran toward me when he could have run away. Service was part of his life, but it was also his job. The senators who voted against background checks for online and gun-show sales, and those who voted against checks to screen out would-be gun buyers with mental illness, failed to do their job.
They looked at these most benign and practical of solutions, offered by moderates from each party, and then they looked over their shoulder at the powerful, shadowy gun lobby — and brought shame on themselves and our government itself by choosing to do nothing.
They will try to hide their decision behind grand talk, behind willfully false accounts of what the bill might have done — trust me, I know how politicians talk when they want to distract you — but their decision was based on a misplaced sense of self-interest. I say misplaced, because to preserve their dignity and their legacy, they should have heeded the voices of their constituents. They should have honored the legacy of the thousands of victims of gun violence and their families, who have begged for action, not because it would bring their loved ones back, but so that others might be spared their agony.
This defeat is only the latest chapter of what I’ve always known would be a long, hard haul. Our democracy’s history is littered with names we neither remember nor celebrate — people who stood in the way of progress while protecting the powerful. On Wednesday, a number of senators voted to join that list.
Mark my words: if we cannot make our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every means available to make sure we have a different Congress, one that puts communities’ interests ahead of the gun lobby’s. To do nothing while others are in danger is not the American way.
Its a failure of common sense. 90% of America wanted it.
our system is broken.
when 90% of the population supports something, it should be reflected in congress. it should be a no brainer.
it just shows that lobbyist power is out of control. the nra lied and said that this bill would pave the way to a federal gun owner database, when the actual text of the bill made such a registry illegal.
:fp:
I see where you are going with this and I agree with you on this issue. But just because people are for it doesn't directly mean it must be law carried out by Congress. Congress has to take things into effect like say...the constitution, that the general public does not.
Then again, maybe they shouldnt. Maybe they should pass laws based on majority rule and let the courts sort it out.
How can any educated person in the US still vote for the Republicans?
They shit on peoples opinion and just deliver to lobby groups.
Insulting for such a great nation!
Personally, I think corporations are doing more to take away our rights than anything the government is doing. Where's the tyranny against Big Ag, Big Pharma, Big Banks?
this is the crux of the majority of problems ...
it's sad that it takes kids dying in a suburban school to have people engaged but the reality is this coat tailing to corporations has been going on for years ...
I see where you are going with this and I agree with you on this issue. But just because people are for it doesn't directly mean it must be law carried out by Congress. Congress has to take things into effect like say...the constitution, that the general public does not.
Then again, maybe they shouldnt. Maybe they should pass laws based on majority rule and let the courts sort it out.
i see what you are saying, but the congress has a duty to vote according to what the people want. they are the representatives of the people. 90% of americans are astonished by how easily their opinions are disregarded.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I see where you are going with this and I agree with you on this issue. But just because people are for it doesn't directly mean it must be law carried out by Congress. Congress has to take things into effect like say...the constitution, that the general public does not.
Then again, maybe they shouldnt. Maybe they should pass laws based on majority rule and let the courts sort it out.
i see what you are saying, but the congress has a duty to vote according to what the people want. they aresupposed to be the representatives of the people. 90% of americans are astonished by how easily their opinions are disregarded.
fixed that for you.
Cincy? This would have simply included some other sales in what is ALREADY law?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Its a failure of common sense. 90% of America wanted it.
our system is broken.
when 90% of the population supports something, it should be reflected in congress. it should be a no brainer.
it just shows that lobbyist power is out of control. the nra lied and said that this bill would pave the way to a federal gun owner database, when the actual text of the bill made such a registry illegal.
:fp:
I see where you are going with this and I agree with you on this issue. But just because people are for it doesn't directly mean it must be law carried out by Congress. Congress has to take things into effect like say...the constitution, that the general public does not.
Then again, maybe they shouldnt. Maybe they should pass laws based on majority rule and let the courts sort it out.
While i understand what you are saying here but I don't think Congress really cares about the constitution as they are breaking that with their votes on gay marriage. I think this really boils down to them trying to save their asses from the NRA and the like.
obama wanted this passed. i promise you that that is one of the reasons those that opposed it actually opposed it.
actually one of the reasons we/I didn't want this to go thru is that it would just be another step closer to the next bill and the next till someday they try and abolish publicly owned guns all together so to me it was nipping it in the bud right away.
obama wanted this passed. i promise you that that is one of the reasons those that opposed it actually opposed it.
actually one of the reasons we/I didn't want this to go thru is that it would just be another step closer to the next bill and the next till someday they try and abolish publicly owned guns all together so to me it was nipping it in the bud right away.
Godfather.
which is another way of saying, I'm just fine with 40% of guns sold TODAY are sold at a gun show that largely only requires an ID to show proof of age only to enter/purchase. After I buy a duffel bag full I can go down to the hood and make a fortune.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Meet the 45 Senators Who Blocked Background Checks
An amendment proposed by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) to require background checks for commercial gun sales (but not for sales between "friends and neighbors") was shot down Wednesday afternoon in a 54-46 vote, failing to capture the 60 votes it needed to advance. The bill would have been a modest victory for gun control advocates, while ceding numerous concessions to the gun lobby (the NRA initially called it a "positive development.") Nevertheless, only four Republicans voted for the proposal, with 41 voting against it. Five Democrats rejected the proposal as well (Reid was a special case; see below). Standing with families of Sandy Hook victims, President Obama said that "there was no coherent argument for why we wouldn't do this. It came down to politics."
Here's a list so you can see how your Senator voted:
REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL
Susan Collins (R-ME)
Mark Kirk (R-IL)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Pat Toomey (R-PA)
DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL
Max Baucus (D-MT)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Harry Reid (D-NV) (Voted "no" as a procedural move to preserve option to reintroduce the bill.)
REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL
Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Kelly Ayotte (R-NH)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
John Boozman (R-AR)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Bob Corker (R-TN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Deb Fischer (R-NE)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Dean Heller (R-NV)
John Hoeven (R-ND)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Mike Lee (R-UT)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Rand Paul (R-KY)
Rob Portman (R-OH)
James Risch (R-ID)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Timothy Scott (R-SC)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Thune (R-SD)
David Vitter (R-LA)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)
DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Ben Cardin (D-MD)
Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Bob Casey (D-PA)
Christopher Coons (D-DE)
William "Mo" Cowan (D-MA)
Joe Donnelly (D-IN)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Al Franken (D-MN)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Kay Hagan (D-NC)
Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Martin Heinrich (D-NM)
Mazie Hirono (D-HI)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Timothy Kaine (D-VA)
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Christopher Murphy (D-CT)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
John Reed (D-RI)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Brian Schatz (D-HI)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Jon Tester (D-MT)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Tom Udall (D-NM)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)
INDEPENDENTS
i believe the senators were from more rural states (not many huge urban centres) where hunting and access to guns is seen as a litmus for freedoms ... i think the NRA targeted senators in these states and considered them vulnerable to their constituents ...
obama wanted this passed. i promise you that that is one of the reasons those that opposed it actually opposed it.
actually one of the reasons we/I didn't want this to go thru is that it would just be another step closer to the next bill and the next till someday they try and abolish publicly owned guns all together so to me it was nipping it in the bud right away.
Godfather.
So you are ok with anybody purchasing weapons at any time , a felon just spent 10yrs in the slammer , a patient who just got discharged from a mental institute , a homegrown alqueda cell living next door to you ...
Because that's what is happening now anybody can buy weapons anytime they wish with out anybody knwing about it ....
Meet the 45 Senators Who Blocked Background Checks
An amendment proposed by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) to require background checks for commercial gun sales (but not for sales between "friends and neighbors") was shot down Wednesday afternoon in a 54-46 vote, failing to capture the 60 votes it needed to advance. The bill would have been a modest victory for gun control advocates, while ceding numerous concessions to the gun lobby (the NRA initially called it a "positive development.") Nevertheless, only four Republicans voted for the proposal, with 41 voting against it. Five Democrats rejected the proposal as well (Reid was a special case; see below). Standing with families of Sandy Hook victims, President Obama said that "there was no coherent argument for why we wouldn't do this. It came down to politics."
Here's a list so you can see how your Senator voted:
REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL
Susan Collins (R-ME)
Mark Kirk (R-IL)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Pat Toomey (R-PA)
DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL
Max Baucus (D-MT)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Harry Reid (D-NV) (Voted "no" as a procedural move to preserve option to reintroduce the bill.)
REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL
Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Kelly Ayotte (R-NH)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
John Boozman (R-AR)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Bob Corker (R-TN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Deb Fischer (R-NE)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Dean Heller (R-NV)
John Hoeven (R-ND)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Mike Lee (R-UT)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Rand Paul (R-KY)
Rob Portman (R-OH)
James Risch (R-ID)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Timothy Scott (R-SC)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Thune (R-SD)
David Vitter (R-LA)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)
DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Ben Cardin (D-MD)
Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Bob Casey (D-PA)
Christopher Coons (D-DE)
William "Mo" Cowan (D-MA)
Joe Donnelly (D-IN)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Al Franken (D-MN)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Kay Hagan (D-NC)
Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Martin Heinrich (D-NM)
Mazie Hirono (D-HI)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Timothy Kaine (D-VA)
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Christopher Murphy (D-CT)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
John Reed (D-RI)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Brian Schatz (D-HI)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Jon Tester (D-MT)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Tom Udall (D-NM)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)
INDEPENDENTS
obama wanted this passed. i promise you that that is one of the reasons those that opposed it actually opposed it.
actually one of the reasons we/I didn't want this to go thru is that it would just be another step closer to the next bill and the next till someday they try and abolish publicly owned guns all together so to me it was nipping it in the bud right away.
Godfather.
which is another way of saying, I'm just fine with 40% of guns sold TODAY are sold at a gun show that largely only requires an ID to show proof of age only to enter/purchase. After I buy a duffel bag full I can go down to the hood and make a fortune.
really ? comon man, have you or anybody you know ever bought " a duffel bag" full of guns at a gun show for anywere from $200 to a few thousand bucks ea. and then sold them in the hood ???? not a real strong business move.
really ? comon man, have you or anybody you know ever bought " a duffel bag" full of guns at a gun show for anywere from $200 to a few thousand bucks ea. and then sold them in the hood ???? not a real strong business move.
Godfather.
you can get a mark up of over 500% here in canada where there are stricter gun laws ...
Susan Collins (R-ME)
Mark Kirk (R-IL)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Pat Toomey (R-PA)
DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL
Max Baucus (D-MT)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Harry Reid (D-NV) (Voted "no" as a procedural move to preserve option to reintroduce the bill.)
REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL
Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Kelly Ayotte (R-NH)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
John Boozman (R-AR)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Bob Corker (R-TN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Deb Fischer (R-NE)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Dean Heller (R-NV)
John Hoeven (R-ND)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Mike Lee (R-UT)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Rand Paul (R-KY)
Rob Portman (R-OH)
James Risch (R-ID)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Timothy Scott (R-SC)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Thune (R-SD)
David Vitter (R-LA)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)
DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Ben Cardin (D-MD)
Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Bob Casey (D-PA)
Christopher Coons (D-DE)
William "Mo" Cowan (D-MA)
Joe Donnelly (D-IN)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Al Franken (D-MN)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Kay Hagan (D-NC)
Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Martin Heinrich (D-NM)
Mazie Hirono (D-HI)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Timothy Kaine (D-VA)
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Christopher Murphy (D-CT)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
John Reed (D-RI)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Brian Schatz (D-HI)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Jon Tester (D-MT)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Tom Udall (D-NM)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)
INDEPENDENTS
Angus King (I-ME): Yea
Bernie Sanders (I-VT): Yea
sorry guys but this is something I believe strongly in.
actually one of the reasons we/I didn't want this to go thru is that it would just be another step closer to the next bill and the next till someday they try and abolish publicly owned guns all together so to me it was nipping it in the bud right away.
Godfather.
which is another way of saying, I'm just fine with 40% of guns sold TODAY are sold at a gun show that largely only requires an ID to show proof of age only to enter/purchase. After I buy a duffel bag full I can go down to the hood and make a fortune.
really ? comon man, have you or anybody you know ever bought " a duffel bag" full of guns at a gun show for anywere from $200 to a few thousand bucks ea. and then sold them in the hood ???? not a real strong business move.
Godfather.
Yes, I was exagerating a little but the point holds true , in any quantity.
Please enlighten me then GF, just how do weapons make their way to the blackmarket?
They cant ALL be from theft of the law=abiding responsible gun owner(you know, the ones who know how to handle and safely store their weapons) can they?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
really ? comon man, have you or anybody you know ever bought " a duffel bag" full of guns at a gun show for anywere from $200 to a few thousand bucks ea. and then sold them in the hood ???? not a real strong business move.
Godfather.
you can get a mark up of over 500% here in canada where there are stricter gun laws ...
They all face re-election next year in red states.
They actually don't.
Heidi Heitkamp just voted in in January, term ends 2019
Mark Pryor's term ends 2015
Max Baucus is seeking re-election 2014 after 6 terms already (where's the limits??)
Harry Reid is up for a 6th term in 2016 (again... limits?)
Mark Begich term ends in 2016
That's one person worried about re-election next year.
Susan Collins (R-ME)
Mark Kirk (R-IL)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Pat Toomey (R-PA)
DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL
Max Baucus (D-MT)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Harry Reid (D-NV) (Voted "no" as a procedural move to preserve option to reintroduce the bill.)
REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL
Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Kelly Ayotte (R-NH)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
John Boozman (R-AR)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Bob Corker (R-TN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Deb Fischer (R-NE)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Dean Heller (R-NV)
John Hoeven (R-ND)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Mike Lee (R-UT)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Rand Paul (R-KY)
Rob Portman (R-OH)
James Risch (R-ID)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Timothy Scott (R-SC)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Thune (R-SD)
David Vitter (R-LA)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)
DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Ben Cardin (D-MD)
Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Bob Casey (D-PA)
Christopher Coons (D-DE)
William "Mo" Cowan (D-MA)
Joe Donnelly (D-IN)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Al Franken (D-MN)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Kay Hagan (D-NC)
Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Martin Heinrich (D-NM)
Mazie Hirono (D-HI)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Timothy Kaine (D-VA)
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Christopher Murphy (D-CT)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
John Reed (D-RI)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Brian Schatz (D-HI)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Jon Tester (D-MT)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Tom Udall (D-NM)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)
INDEPENDENTS
Angus King (I-ME): Yea
Bernie Sanders (I-VT): Yea
sorry guys but this is something I believe strongly in.
Godfather.
I ask again you are ok with anybody buying weapons of all kinds at anytime , like a felon just spent 10yrs for armed robbery , a mental pt who just got discharged , an alqueda cell living amongst us because that is what you're applauding so just for the record you have no problem with this ? ..and if you don't believe that this is what's happening i'd say you are living in a hole ....
you can buy guns here except you have to go through a background check and you have to hold a valid license that expires ... and needs to be updated ...
i find it absolutely mind-boggling that people would be opposed to regulating the distribution and access to firearms ... heck, everyone needs a drivers license to drive but asking people to register their guns is bad!? ...
Heidi Heitkamp just voted in in January, term ends 2019
Mark Pryor's term ends 2015
Max Baucus is seeking re-election 2014 after 6 terms already (where's the limits??)
Harry Reid is up for a 6th term in 2016 (again... limits?)
Mark Begich term ends in 2016
That's one person worried about re-election next year.
Hmm, I thought they were.
Well, I guess they are representing their constituancy then.
Comments
no but they keep trying.
Godfather.
Personally, I think corporations are doing more to take away our rights than anything the government is doing. Where's the tyranny against Big Ag, Big Pharma, Big Banks?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
i don't see that concerning gun ownership, i do agree that the government does try to take rights away. for example the R who apparently care about rights are trying to take rights away from the LGBT community.
Yeap good advice from her ..
I see where you are going with this and I agree with you on this issue. But just because people are for it doesn't directly mean it must be law carried out by Congress. Congress has to take things into effect like say...the constitution, that the general public does not.
Then again, maybe they shouldnt. Maybe they should pass laws based on majority rule and let the courts sort it out.
They shit on peoples opinion and just deliver to lobby groups.
Insulting for such a great nation!
this is the crux of the majority of problems ...
it's sad that it takes kids dying in a suburban school to have people engaged but the reality is this coat tailing to corporations has been going on for years ...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
obama wanted this passed. i promise you that that is one of the reasons those that opposed it actually opposed it.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Cincy? This would have simply included some other sales in what is ALREADY law?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
how do you explain the 5 democrats who voted no?
Maybe Obama should start exercising reverse psychology on the spiteful congressmen.
Why do you think? Just curious.
actually one of the reasons we/I didn't want this to go thru is that it would just be another step closer to the next bill and the next till someday they try and abolish publicly owned guns all together so to me it was nipping it in the bud right away.
Godfather.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
An amendment proposed by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) to require background checks for commercial gun sales (but not for sales between "friends and neighbors") was shot down Wednesday afternoon in a 54-46 vote, failing to capture the 60 votes it needed to advance. The bill would have been a modest victory for gun control advocates, while ceding numerous concessions to the gun lobby (the NRA initially called it a "positive development.") Nevertheless, only four Republicans voted for the proposal, with 41 voting against it. Five Democrats rejected the proposal as well (Reid was a special case; see below). Standing with families of Sandy Hook victims, President Obama said that "there was no coherent argument for why we wouldn't do this. It came down to politics."
Here's a list so you can see how your Senator voted:
REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL
Susan Collins (R-ME)
Mark Kirk (R-IL)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Pat Toomey (R-PA)
DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL
Max Baucus (D-MT)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Harry Reid (D-NV) (Voted "no" as a procedural move to preserve option to reintroduce the bill.)
REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL
Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Kelly Ayotte (R-NH)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
John Boozman (R-AR)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Bob Corker (R-TN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Deb Fischer (R-NE)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Dean Heller (R-NV)
John Hoeven (R-ND)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Mike Lee (R-UT)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Rand Paul (R-KY)
Rob Portman (R-OH)
James Risch (R-ID)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Timothy Scott (R-SC)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Thune (R-SD)
David Vitter (R-LA)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)
DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Ben Cardin (D-MD)
Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Bob Casey (D-PA)
Christopher Coons (D-DE)
William "Mo" Cowan (D-MA)
Joe Donnelly (D-IN)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Al Franken (D-MN)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Kay Hagan (D-NC)
Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Martin Heinrich (D-NM)
Mazie Hirono (D-HI)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Timothy Kaine (D-VA)
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Christopher Murphy (D-CT)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
John Reed (D-RI)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Brian Schatz (D-HI)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Jon Tester (D-MT)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Tom Udall (D-NM)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)
INDEPENDENTS
Angus King (I-ME): Yea
Bernie Sanders (I-VT): Yea
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... s-proposal
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22194299
i believe the senators were from more rural states (not many huge urban centres) where hunting and access to guns is seen as a litmus for freedoms ... i think the NRA targeted senators in these states and considered them vulnerable to their constituents ...
So you are ok with anybody purchasing weapons at any time , a felon just spent 10yrs in the slammer , a patient who just got discharged from a mental institute , a homegrown alqueda cell living next door to you ...
Because that's what is happening now anybody can buy weapons anytime they wish with out anybody knwing about it ....
Great now onto emailing these pricks ..
really ?
Godfather.
you can get a mark up of over 500% here in canada where there are stricter gun laws ...
thank you !
REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL
Susan Collins (R-ME)
Mark Kirk (R-IL)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Pat Toomey (R-PA)
DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL
Max Baucus (D-MT)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Harry Reid (D-NV) (Voted "no" as a procedural move to preserve option to reintroduce the bill.)
REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL
Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Kelly Ayotte (R-NH)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
John Boozman (R-AR)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Bob Corker (R-TN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Deb Fischer (R-NE)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Dean Heller (R-NV)
John Hoeven (R-ND)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Mike Lee (R-UT)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Rand Paul (R-KY)
Rob Portman (R-OH)
James Risch (R-ID)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Timothy Scott (R-SC)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Thune (R-SD)
David Vitter (R-LA)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)
DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Ben Cardin (D-MD)
Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Bob Casey (D-PA)
Christopher Coons (D-DE)
William "Mo" Cowan (D-MA)
Joe Donnelly (D-IN)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Al Franken (D-MN)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Kay Hagan (D-NC)
Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Martin Heinrich (D-NM)
Mazie Hirono (D-HI)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Timothy Kaine (D-VA)
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Christopher Murphy (D-CT)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
John Reed (D-RI)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Brian Schatz (D-HI)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Jon Tester (D-MT)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Tom Udall (D-NM)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)
INDEPENDENTS
Angus King (I-ME): Yea
Bernie Sanders (I-VT): Yea
sorry guys but this is something I believe strongly in.
Godfather.
Please enlighten me then GF, just how do weapons make their way to the blackmarket?
They cant ALL be from theft of the law=abiding responsible gun owner(you know, the ones who know how to handle and safely store their weapons) can they?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
are publicly owned guns illegal in Canada ?
Godfather.
They actually don't.
Heidi Heitkamp just voted in in January, term ends 2019
Mark Pryor's term ends 2015
Max Baucus is seeking re-election 2014 after 6 terms already (where's the limits??)
Harry Reid is up for a 6th term in 2016 (again... limits?)
Mark Begich term ends in 2016
That's one person worried about re-election next year.
I ask again you are ok with anybody buying weapons of all kinds at anytime , like a felon just spent 10yrs for armed robbery , a mental pt who just got discharged , an alqueda cell living amongst us because that is what you're applauding so just for the record you have no problem with this ? ..and if you don't believe that this is what's happening i'd say you are living in a hole ....
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol- ... fs-eng.htm
you can buy guns here except you have to go through a background check and you have to hold a valid license that expires ... and needs to be updated ...
i find it absolutely mind-boggling that people would be opposed to regulating the distribution and access to firearms ... heck, everyone needs a drivers license to drive but asking people to register their guns is bad!? ...
Well, I guess they are representing their constituancy then.