Background check defeated...Obama pissed.

Godfather.

Mickyrat, do really believe all the guns on the black market are US domestic weapons ? the black market is flooded with Russian surplus as for the US most weapons on the domestic black market are stolen, in the us when you buy a gun you must reg. it asap (granted not everybody does) but then you risk having the seller turn in your name for buying his weapons.

Godfather.

mickeyrat

Jeanwah wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Why do you think? Just curious.

They all face re-election next year in red states.

They actually don't.

Heidi Heitkamp just voted in in January, term ends 2019
Mark Pryor's term ends 2015
Max Baucus is seeking re-election 2014 after 6 terms already (where's the limits??)
Harry Reid is up for a 6th term in 2016 (again... limits?)
Mark Begich term ends in 2016

That's one person worried about re-election next year.

supposedly Reid changed at the last minute that would allow for some kind of reintroduction of the bill later?

Godfather.

josevolution wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

:thumbup:
thank you !

REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL

Susan Collins (R-ME)
Mark Kirk (R-IL)
John McCain (R-AZ)
Pat Toomey (R-PA)

DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL

Max Baucus (D-MT)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
Harry Reid (D-NV) (Voted "no" as a procedural move to preserve option to reintroduce the bill.)

REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PROPOSAL

Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Kelly Ayotte (R-NH)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
John Boozman (R-AR)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Bob Corker (R-TN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Deb Fischer (R-NE)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Dean Heller (R-NV)
John Hoeven (R-ND)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mike Johanns (R-NE)
Ron Johnson (R-WI)
Mike Lee (R-UT)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
Jerry Moran (R-KS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Rand Paul (R-KY)
Rob Portman (R-OH)
James Risch (R-ID)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Timothy Scott (R-SC)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Thune (R-SD)
David Vitter (R-LA)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)

DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED FOR THE PROPOSAL

Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Ben Cardin (D-MD)
Thomas Carper (D-DE)
Bob Casey (D-PA)
Christopher Coons (D-DE)
William "Mo" Cowan (D-MA)
Joe Donnelly (D-IN)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Al Franken (D-MN)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
Kay Hagan (D-NC)
Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Martin Heinrich (D-NM)
Mazie Hirono (D-HI)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
Timothy Kaine (D-VA)
Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Christopher Murphy (D-CT)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
John Reed (D-RI)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Brian Schatz (D-HI)
Charles Schumer (D-NY)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Jon Tester (D-MT)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Tom Udall (D-NM)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)
INDEPENDENTS

Angus King (I-ME): Yea
Bernie Sanders (I-VT): Yea

sorry guys but this is something I believe strongly in.


Godfather.

I ask again you are ok with anybody buying weapons of all kinds at anytime , like a felon just spent 10yrs for armed robbery , a mental pt who just got discharged , an alqueda cell living amongst us because that is what you're applauding so just for the record you have no problem with this ? ..and if you don't believe that this is what's happening i'd say you are living in a hole ....

alright bro then there is always the spoon and car thing right ?

Godfather.

josevolution

GF a simple yes or no , what's so hard about standing behind your convictions ..

Godfather.

josevolution wrote:

GF a simple yes or no , what's so hard about standing behind your convictions ..

sorry man but I just can't take you comment seriously.

Godfather.

fife

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i will just come out and say it.

obama wanted this passed. i promise you that that is one of the reasons those that opposed it actually opposed it.

actually one of the reasons we/I didn't want this to go thru is that it would just be another step closer to the next bill and the next till someday they try and abolish publicly owned guns all together so to me it was nipping it in the bud right away.

Godfather.

but this didn't happen when they banned machine guns back in 1986, so why do you think it would happen now?

what is wrong with having the same standard at gun shows as they have a gun shops?

josevolution

Godfather. wrote:

josevolution wrote:

GF a simple yes or no , what's so hard about standing behind your convictions ..

sorry man but I just can't take you comment seriously.

Godfather.

Why not forget the comment , this is a ? are you ok with anybody being able to purchase any type of weapon at any time ...There a simple ?

Spoony C

mickeyrat wrote:

supposedly Reid changed at the last minute that would allow for some kind of reintroduction of the bill later?

That's correct. In order for the bill/amendment to be reintroduced for further consideration, someone who voted "no" has to be the one to reintroduce it. Since most of the "no" votes are from people who really want the bill to die, someone who actually is a "yes" has to switch at the last minute, when it's clear it's going to fail, and vote "no" to preserve the option to reintroduce. It doesn't have to be the majority leader, but that's who the duty usually falls to.

So Reid's vote has nothing to do with reelection fears, but most of the rest of them likely do, even the ones whose election years are far out. The big political reality is that the powerful, well-funded gun lobby was going to come after any yea-voting Republican or red-state Democrat in full force during their next primary, and with that kind of PAC money behind the pro-gun push, the odds would be that those senators wouldn't survive the primary challenge if they voted for the bill.

Jeanwah

Spoony C wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

supposedly Reid changed at the last minute that would allow for some kind of reintroduction of the bill later?

That's correct. In order for the bill/amendment to be reintroduced for further consideration, someone who voted "no" has to be the one to reintroduce it. Since most of the "no" votes are from people who really want the bill to die, someone who actually is a "yes" has to switch at the last minute, when it's clear it's going to fail, and vote "no" to preserve the option to reintroduce. It doesn't have to be the majority leader, but that's who the duty usually falls to.

So Reid's vote has nothing to do with reelection fears, but most of the rest of them likely do, even the ones whose election years are far out. The big political reality is that the powerful, well-funded gun lobby was going to come after any yea-voting Republican or red-state Democrat in full force during their next primary, and with that kind of PAC money behind the pro-gun push, the odds would be that those senators wouldn't survive the primary challenge if they voted for the bill.

Right. Taken from the article:

Harry Reid (D-NV) (Voted "no" as a procedural move to preserve option to reintroduce the bill.)

pandora

As someone said this wasn't expected to pass so I wonder how many got busy and wrote, called,
daily their representatives if they wanted this to pass .... like the very many who didn't want it.
It's important to join groups, put your $$$ where your mouth is, contact your representatives
for the causes you believe in. I hope everyone here put their 2 cents worth in. And 90% of what :?
not the entire population. Must be Obama math again.... liar.... we see that now right?

fife

pandora wrote:

As someone said this wasn't expected to pass so I wonder how many got busy and wrote, called,
daily their representatives if they wanted this to pass .... like the very many who didn't want it.
It's important to join groups, put your $$$ where your mouth is, contact your representatives
for the causes you believe in. I hope everyone here put their 2 cents worth in. And 90% of what :?
not the entire population. Must be Obama math again.... liar.... we see that now right?

are you telling people to lobby government with $$$? cause i have a feeling that this is the root of all your problems in your country.

pandora

fife wrote:

pandora wrote:

As someone said this wasn't expected to pass so I wonder how many got busy and wrote, called,
daily their representatives if they wanted this to pass .... like the very many who didn't want it.
It's important to join groups, put your $$$ where your mouth is, contact your representatives
for the causes you believe in. I hope everyone here put their 2 cents worth in. And 90% of what :?
not the entire population. Must be Obama math again.... liar.... we see that now right?

are you telling people to lobby government with $$$? cause i have a feeling that this is the root of all your problems in your country.

guess if you look at things negatively... which might be a theme for some...
should I ask why yet again :?

people join organizations that promote what they believe in and together they work
for policy they want to see.

The key word here though was not money but work ...
hope everyone worked towards the outcome they wanted.

Jeanwah

pandora wrote:

fife wrote:

pandora wrote:

As someone said this wasn't expected to pass so I wonder how many got busy and wrote, called,
daily their representatives if they wanted this to pass .... like the very many who didn't want it.
It's important to join groups, put your $$$ where your mouth is, contact your representatives
for the causes you believe in. I hope everyone here put their 2 cents worth in. And 90% of what :?
not the entire population. Must be Obama math again.... liar.... we see that now right?

are you telling people to lobby government with $$$? cause i have a feeling that this is the root of all your problems in your country.

guess if you look at things negatively... which might be a theme for some...
should I ask why yet again :?

people join organizations that promote what they believe in and together they work
for policy they want to see.

The key word here though was not money but work ...
hope everyone worked towards the outcome they wanted.

It's delusional to think that it's the people who have not bugged their senators enough for the the reason it got voted down. It got voted down due to politics and lobbying for the NRA. Have you even read the rest of the thread?

riotgrl

Jeanwah wrote:

pandora wrote:

fife wrote:

are you telling people to lobby government with $$$? cause i have a feeling that this is the root of all your problems in your country.

guess if you look at things negatively... which might be a theme for some...
should I ask why yet again :?

people join organizations that promote what they believe in and together they work
for policy they want to see.

The key word here though was not money but work ...
hope everyone worked towards the outcome they wanted.

It's delusional to think that it's the people who have not bugged their senators enough for the the reason it got voted down. It got voted down due to politics and lobbying for the NRA. Have you even read the rest of the thread?

Especially because most of these politicians refuse to talk to their constituents. Leave a message at the beep and we'll get back to you :fp:

peacefrompaul

riotgrl wrote:

Especially because most of these politicians refuse to talk to their constituents. Leave a message at the beep and we'll get back to you :fp:

I've called, written numerous times, and had one Senator reply to me ONCE via email.

My house rep never EVER writes me back.

g under p

fife wrote:

pandora wrote:

As someone said this wasn't expected to pass so I wonder how many got busy and wrote, called,
daily their representatives if they wanted this to pass .... like the very many who didn't want it.
It's important to join groups, put your $$$ where your mouth is, contact your representatives
for the causes you believe in. I hope everyone here put their 2 cents worth in. And 90% of what :?
not the entire population. Must be Obama math again.... liar.... we see that now right?

are you telling people to lobby government with $$$? cause i have a feeling that this is the root of all your problems in your country.

Jeanwah wrote:

pandora wrote:

guess if you look at things negatively... which might be a theme for some...
should I ask why yet again :?

people join organizations that promote what they believe in and together they work
for policy they want to see.

The key word here though was not money but work ...
hope everyone worked towards the outcome they wanted.

It's delusional to think that it's the people who have not bugged their senators enough for the the reason it got voted down. It got voted down due to politics and lobbying for the NRA. Have you even read the rest of the thread?

Byrnzie wrote:
Some things can only be confronted with satire:


http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/b ... eople.html

Courageous Senators Stand Up to American People
Posted by Andy Borowitz
April 18, 2013

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In the halls of the United States Senate, dozens of Senators congratulated themselves today for having what one of them called “the courage and grit to stand up to the overwhelming wishes of the American people.”

“We kept hearing, again and again, that ninety per cent of the American people wanted us to vote a certain way,” said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky). “Well, at the end of the day, we decided that we weren’t going to cave in to that kind of special-interest group.”

“It was a gut check, for sure, but we had to draw a line in the sand,” agreed Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S. Carolina). “If we had voted the way the American people wanted us to, it would have sent the message that we’re here in Washington to be nothing more than their elected representatives.”

Calling yesterday’s Senate action “a bipartisan effort,” Senator Mark Pryor (D-Arkansas) said, “This proves that on a matter that affects the safety of every man, woman, and child in the nation, we can reach across the aisle to defy the interests of all of them.”

Senator McConnell agreed that yesterday’s vote “sent a powerful message,” adding, “If the American people think that just because they voted us into office and pay our salaries, benefits, and pensions, we are somehow obliged to listen to them, they are sorely mistaken.”

You are correct when you have Senators like McConnell who make statements like this ^^^^^^. Pandora what would any contact of our representatives do when some have this kind of thinking. It would have ZERO EFFECT and it is a delusional thought to think any lobbying of reps would make a difference in making this bill pass.

Peace

Byrnzie

g under p wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:
Some things can only be confronted with satire:


http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/b ... eople.html

Courageous Senators Stand Up to American People
Posted by Andy Borowitz
April 18, 2013

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In the halls of the United States Senate, dozens of Senators congratulated themselves today for having what one of them called “the courage and grit to stand up to the overwhelming wishes of the American people.”

“We kept hearing, again and again, that ninety per cent of the American people wanted us to vote a certain way,” said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky). “Well, at the end of the day, we decided that we weren’t going to cave in to that kind of special-interest group.”

“It was a gut check, for sure, but we had to draw a line in the sand,” agreed Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S. Carolina). “If we had voted the way the American people wanted us to, it would have sent the message that we’re here in Washington to be nothing more than their elected representatives.”

Calling yesterday’s Senate action “a bipartisan effort,” Senator Mark Pryor (D-Arkansas) said, “This proves that on a matter that affects the safety of every man, woman, and child in the nation, we can reach across the aisle to defy the interests of all of them.”

Senator McConnell agreed that yesterday’s vote “sent a powerful message,” adding, “If the American people think that just because they voted us into office and pay our salaries, benefits, and pensions, we are somehow obliged to listen to them, they are sorely mistaken.”

You are correct when you have Senators like McConnell who make statements like this ^^^^^^. Pandora what would any contact of our representatives do when some have this kind of thinking. It would have ZERO EFFECT and it is a delusional thought to think any lobbying of reps would make a difference in making this bill pass.

Peace

It's a satirical piece.

Although it's interesting how many people have taken it to be real; as if you really wouldn't be too surprised to hear these politicians actually say these things. I think the contempt of certain politicians for the people is obvious, above and beyond this piece of satire.

Smellyman

Byrnzie wrote:

g under p wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:
Some things can only be confronted with satire:


http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/b ... eople.html

Courageous Senators Stand Up to American People
Posted by Andy Borowitz
April 18, 2013

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In the halls of the United States Senate, dozens of Senators congratulated themselves today for having what one of them called “the courage and grit to stand up to the overwhelming wishes of the American people.”

“We kept hearing, again and again, that ninety per cent of the American people wanted us to vote a certain way,” said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky). “Well, at the end of the day, we decided that we weren’t going to cave in to that kind of special-interest group.”

“It was a gut check, for sure, but we had to draw a line in the sand,” agreed Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S. Carolina). “If we had voted the way the American people wanted us to, it would have sent the message that we’re here in Washington to be nothing more than their elected representatives.”

Calling yesterday’s Senate action “a bipartisan effort,” Senator Mark Pryor (D-Arkansas) said, “This proves that on a matter that affects the safety of every man, woman, and child in the nation, we can reach across the aisle to defy the interests of all of them.”

Senator McConnell agreed that yesterday’s vote “sent a powerful message,” adding, “If the American people think that just because they voted us into office and pay our salaries, benefits, and pensions, we are somehow obliged to listen to them, they are sorely mistaken.”

You are correct when you have Senators like McConnell who make statements like this ^^^^^^. Pandora what would any contact of our representatives do when some have this kind of thinking. It would have ZERO EFFECT and it is a delusional thought to think any lobbying of reps would make a difference in making this bill pass.

Peace

It's a satirical piece.

Although it's interesting how many people have taken it to be real; as if you really wouldn't be too surprised to hear these politicians actually say these things. I think the contempt of certain politicians for the people is obvious, above and beyond this piece of satire.

It was interesting to see everyone fooled even though you said it was satire.

I was going to mention it, but thought it was more amusing to just let it roll.

pureoc

josevolution wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

josevolution wrote:

GF a simple yes or no , what's so hard about standing behind your convictions ..

sorry man but I just can't take you comment seriously.

Godfather.

Why not forget the comment , this is a ? are you ok with anybody being able to purchase any type of weapon at any time ...There a simple ?

I guess his absurd "right to bear arms" is more important than protecting human lives. Pretty ridiculous.

Byrnzie

Not much of a surprise here. Once again, filling ones pocket takes precedence over human life.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ap ... d-senators

Gun control vote: all but three 'no' senators received pro-gun cash

Analysis of campaign disclosures shows 42 of 45 dissenting senators logged donations from firearms lobbyists

Dan Roberts in Washington
The Guardian, Thursday 18 April 2013


All but three of the 45 senators who torpedoed gun control measures in Congress on Wednesday have received money from firearms lobbyists, according to new analysis by the Guardian and the Sunlight Foundation.

...Some, such as Indiana Republican Dan Coats, registered donations from pro-shooting groups as recently as three weeks ago, when the proposal to extend background checks was still seen as likely to pass.

...Documents also show the NRA saw a surge in donations to its lobbying arm in the months following Newtown – registering a record $2.7m in cash during January and February. Further disclosures showing the scale of its recent donations, particularly to politicians in the House of Representatives, are expected on Saturday.

The Gun Owners of America and National Association for Gun Rights – two groups seen as more conservative than the NRA – have also been active in the Senate, giving $9,000 and $5,000 respectively to Ted Cruz, one of the leaders of Republican opposition to the amendment.