minimum wage (part II)

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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I'm on 72 for six out of the next seven weeks. To make it worse I'm out of state living in a hotel.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited March 2013
    badbrains wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Working 72 hours a week is far from impressive. Being a workaholic is far from impressive. Working for minimum wage pay and having to work 72 hours a week just to get by is a serious problem in the United States.

    Agree! When would have time for your family or even for yourself working 72 hrs a week. That shit blows. And to think after working those 72 hrs you clear what, $450-$500 after taxes at $10/hr 72 hr/week. That's garbage


    A good work/life balance makes a more productive employee. A 'proud' workaholic does not impress me either. Sadly, with low rates of pay, some people do not have the choice. Kills you in the end... No self-respecting employer would allow his employees to work so many hours to the detriment of their health, their performance and, eventually, the employer itself.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    fife wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Working 72 hours a week is far from impressive. Being a workaholic is far from impressive. Working for minimum wage pay and having to work 72 hours a week just to get by is a serious problem in the United States.
    I'm impressed with anyone working that many hours ... really

    http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2012/ted_20120306.htm

    as a manager, i would not let my worker work that many hours as in the long run it actually hurts productivity.
    but you might be impressed ;)
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Is this the issue here? I don't think the problem is companies that pay well. We have a Boeing plant here in Charleston. It's a great job to have. The problem are the companies that don't pay well and the government forcing PRIVATE companies what they have to pay in wages. There are other things the government can be doing to stimulate the economy.
    1) how about balancing the budget?
    2) maybe stop ridiculously and needlessly spending the taxes that most of us pay?
    3) eliminating the fed?
    4) stop the tax breaks for large corporation
    5) maybe not making religions tax exempt?
    Just a few ideas.
    nice ideas. well all have a budget we must balance. why the government neglects theirs is beyond any of us.
    yes they spend ridiculously. tax breaks for large corps is bullshit as is religious tax exemptions. eliminating the fed?
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    unsung wrote:
    I'm on 72 for six out of the next seven weeks. To make it worse I'm out of state living in a hotel.
    oh geez unsung you are a strong person! kudos to you :clap:
    I hope this takes you to an easier place soon.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Working 72 hours a week is far from impressive. Being a workaholic is far from impressive. Working for minimum wage pay and having to work 72 hours a week just to get by is a serious problem in the United States.
    I'm impressed with anyone working that many hours ... really

    http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2012/ted_20120306.htm

    The chart didn't come over but it is a good one.

    Characteristics of minimum wage workers in 2011
    MARCH 06, 2012
    In 2011, 73.9 million American workers age 16 and over were paid hourly rates, representing 59.1 percent of all wage and salary workers. Of that number, 1.7 million earned exactly the prevailing Federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour and 2.2 million had wages below the minimum. Together, these workers made up 5.2 percent of all hourly paid workers.
    Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly paid workers, they made up about half of those paid the Federal minimum wage or less. Among employed teenagers paid by the hour, about 23 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 3 percent of workers aged 25 and over.
    About 6 percent of women paid hourly rates had wages at or below the prevailing Federal minimum, compared with about 4 percent of men. About 5 percent of White hourly paid workers earned the Federal minimum wage or less, compared with about 6 percent of Blacks and about 3 percent of Asians.
    Among hourly paid workers age 16 and over, about 11 percent of those who had less than a high school diploma earned the Federal minimum wage or less, compared with about 5 percent of those who had a high school diploma (with no college) and about 2 percent of college graduates. Among hourly paid workers of Hispanic origin, 5 percent earned the minimum wage or less.
    Never-married workers, who tend to be young, were more likely than married workers to earn the Federal minimum wage or less (about 9 percent versus about 2 percent).
    Part-time workers (persons who usually work fewer than 35 hours per week) were more likely than full-time workers to be paid the Federal minimum wage or less (about 13 percent versus about 2 percent).
    The proportion of hourly paid workers earning the prevailing Federal minimum wage or less declined from 6.0 percent in 2010 to 5.2 percent in 2011. This remains well below the figure of 13.4 percent in 1979, when data were first collected on a regular basis.
    These data on minimum wage earners are derived from the Current Population Survey, a monthly nationwide sample survey of households. Data in this summary are 2011 annual averages.The presence of a sizable number of workers with wages below the Federal minimum does not necessarily indicate violations of the Fair Labor Standards Act, as there are exemptions to the minimum wage provisions of the law.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited March 2013
    I work 32.5hrs a week, have 33 days/year paid holidays/bank holidays, a further 10 days/year unpaid... And I enjoy all my time off - don't feel the need to go into work on days off. I must be a little weakling! :lol:

    Oh.. forgot... I earn a decent salary, have decent benefits, a nice pension pot, etc....
    Post edited by redrock on
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    fife wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    fife wrote:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/opinion/henry-ford-when-capitalists-cared.html?_r=0

    what do you guys think about this article? I really would like small business owners opinions.
    Caterpillar my Dad helped make them rich :lol: and well vice versa too.

    I think I wish we could invent something to revolutionize our industry ...
    has anybody seen this?
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013 ... k/1973753/ 3D printing what a gas

    What I got out of my Father's time ... that article is
    there were hard workers behind each invention each discovery.
    My Father an incredible hard worker earning every penny.
    I know money corrupts, greed changes priorities. I know even those who think never them
    they might be surprised. I don't hate corporations like some people do. I understand.

    Some hate the fact corporations make record profits. I don't.

    Things got fat with wages and benefits, we ourselves have scaled back,
    all our employees had their own gas cards at one time, unlimited gas reported on a 1099.
    Wish I had that money back.
    I mean what were we thinking? unnecessary generosity.

    We as small business owners have always been generous, might be part of the problem.

    I don't really understand what you are trying to say here. I don't think anyone complains about corporation making record profit. I just think people complain when corporation make record profit by killing off the workers.
    What's that got to do with small business? So much to complain about these days :lol:
    even small business.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    pandora wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    I'm on 72 for six out of the next seven weeks. To make it worse I'm out of state living in a hotel.
    oh geez unsung you are a strong person! kudos to you :clap:
    I hope this takes you to an easier place soon.


    It's not really that bad, although being away from home wears on me. But it's my career, and its the nature of the beast.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    unsung wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    I'm on 72 for six out of the next seven weeks. To make it worse I'm out of state living in a hotel.
    oh geez unsung you are a strong person! kudos to you :clap:
    I hope this takes you to an easier place soon.


    It's not really that bad, although being away from home wears on me. But it's my career, and its the nature of the beast.
    That is a positive wonderful big picture attitude.
    When you look back in life you'll know you did your best, met the challenge, and earned
    everything you got. What a great role model you are. People like you give me hope and faith.

    There's no place like home...
    hoping the time goes quickly till you are safely there.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    chadwick wrote:
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Is this the issue here? I don't think the problem is companies that pay well. We have a Boeing plant here in Charleston. It's a great job to have. The problem are the companies that don't pay well and the government forcing PRIVATE companies what they have to pay in wages. There are other things the government can be doing to stimulate the economy.
    1) how about balancing the budget?
    2) maybe stop ridiculously and needlessly spending the taxes that most of us pay?
    3) eliminating the fed?
    4) stop the tax breaks for large corporation
    5) maybe not making religions tax exempt?
    Just a few ideas.
    nice ideas. well all have a budget we must balance. why the government neglects theirs is beyond any of us.
    yes they spend ridiculously. tax breaks for large corps is bullshit as is religious tax exemptions. eliminating the fed?

    The federal reserve stripped down is a privately owned central bank with no reserves. They create paper money with no backing. Then they loan that money to the government in exchange for US bonds. This creates an endless cycle of national debt. The government then owes the fed the value of the bonds plus interest. They are exempt from paying any income tax. And they don't have to open their books to show how they are spending and loaning our money.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    It is refreshing to see the Federal Reserve being discussed.
  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    I have to laugh at people who think the economy is going to tank by making sure that somebody who has a job is going to earn at 10 an hour, for forty hours a week, 52 weeks a year a whopping $20,800.00 before taxes. Laughable.

    Same people have no problem with what I posted below. Maybe the poor see it is a different way. They are happy to earn more money and pay more and the fact that you mouth pieces think that shouldn't happen on your wage. Well you make more money, you shouldn't gripe about prices going up. I don't see you starting too many threads on prices going up over the years, when minimum wage has not moved an inch. What be up with that. You people must be proud to wear, drive, and purchase things that say: Made in anywhere but the USA to keep prices down. Very proud people!




    From the other thread:

    Funny according to these stats, the bums who ride the wagon in 40 states make more than an $8 an hour job and 7 states more then $12 hour, ohhh and the kicker 9 states pay a welfare bum more then a teacher. You people keep knocking half decent pay, for a good laugh while your tax dollar basically is providing minimum wage. ha ha ha ha

    http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/chart.htm

    wonder why, considering the poor state of business and jobs that this
    administration would ask for such a ridiculously high increase.
    This chart shows the minimum wage increasing by cents in the past :?
    mere cents.

    I think if a reasonable response was made to minimum wage we wouldn't be talking.
    Americans should look to the tactics of this President and it's party. The agenda is quite clear.
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    I have to laugh at people who think the economy is going to tank by making sure that somebody who has a job is going to earn at 10 an hour, for forty hours a week, 52 weeks a year a whopping $20,800.00 before taxes. Laughable.

    The problem I have with minimum wage being increased is it wouldn't really solve anything. I mean isn't that how inflation works? When people are making more money prices on things get raised and then we are back in the same boat. Plus if minimum wage is say 8 bucks and they raise it to 10 bucks, what happens to the people who have worked there way up from 8 dollars to getting 10 dollars, how would they feel about going back to making minimum wage. You kind of have to give them a raise too, then it is kind of a domino effect and you are giving everyone a raise.

    Plus like I said earlier a higher minimum wage screws over younger workers since if you have to pay your workers a good salary for an entry level position that requires no skills, and there is a surplus of workers why would anyone take a risk and hire someone with no experience?
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    pandora wrote:
    fife wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I'm impressed with anyone working that many hours ... really

    http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2012/ted_20120306.htm

    as a manager, i would not let my worker work that many hours as in the long run it actually hurts productivity.
    but you might be impressed ;)

    actually I would not. in my line of work, you need to take care of yourself and working that many hours tells me a couple of things. you have poor time management, you have some attachment issues that are not good or you are too afraid that you will be fired if you don't work that much or finally, you have a hard time in your non-profession life.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    I have to laugh at people who think the economy is going to tank by making sure that somebody who has a job is going to earn at 10 an hour, for forty hours a week, 52 weeks a year a whopping $20,800.00 before taxes. Laughable.

    Same people have no problem with what I posted below. Maybe the poor see it is a different way. They are happy to earn more money and pay more and the fact that you mouth pieces think that shouldn't happen on your wage. Well you make more money, you shouldn't gripe about prices going up. I don't see you starting too many threads on prices going up over the years, when minimum wage has not moved an inch. What be up with that. You people must be proud to wear, drive, and purchase things that say: Made in anywhere but the USA to keep prices down. Very proud people!


    solid assumptions

    no one said the economy was going to tank. People have tried to talk about the hidden tax of inflation many times on these threads, no one wants to listen. If you increase the purchasing power of a dollar you don't need to raise the minimum wage and EVERYONE benefits.

    I am so sick and tired of people thinking that because you focus on the economics of a situation you don't care about people. That couldn't be further from the truth for myself, which is why I do what I do in my life. It would be strange for me to work with those I hate and despise (the poor) all day every day wouldn't it?

    stop assuming the for me against me stuff and just take people's ideas and see if they can help solve the problem.
    People need more money...why is that? let's explore why the cost of living goes up all over the country year after year and maybe if we focus our energy on that, both business owners AND their employees can benefit.
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  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    I have to laugh at people who think the economy is going to tank by making sure that somebody who has a job is going to earn at 10 an hour, for forty hours a week, 52 weeks a year a whopping $20,800.00 before taxes. Laughable.

    The problem I have with minimum wage being increased is it wouldn't really solve anything. I mean isn't that how inflation works? When people are making more money prices on things get raised and then we are back in the same boat. Plus if minimum wage is say 8 bucks and they raise it to 10 bucks, what happens to the people who have worked there way up from 8 dollars to getting 10 dollars, how would they feel about going back to making minimum wage. You kind of have to give them a raise too, then it is kind of a domino effect and you are giving everyone a raise.

    Plus like I said earlier a higher minimum wage screws over younger workers since if you have to pay your workers a good salary for an entry level position that requires no skills, and there is a surplus of workers why would anyone take a risk and hire someone with no experience?

    Oh, i understand. But let us go through the motions for the past 10 years or so......you tell me which one does not belong and then we can talk about the moot point of a wage going up and the cause and effect.....

    Gas prices
    Concert ticket prices
    Grocery prices
    Basic needs
    Minimum Wage going up

    Explain to me why all that has gone way, way, up and the wage has not moved. Should be simple to do without using the lame excuse that the wage makes everything go up, eh?

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    I am so sick and tired of people thinking that because you focus on the economics of a situation you don't care about people.
    Kinda tired of this as well - too many assumptions.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    fife wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    fife wrote:
    as a manager, i would not let my worker work that many hours as in the long run it actually hurts productivity.
    but you might be impressed ;)

    actually I would not. in my line of work, you need to take care of yourself and working that many hours tells me a couple of things. you have poor time management, you have some attachment issues that are not good or you are too afraid that you will be fired if you don't work that much or finally, you have a hard time in your non-profession life.
    or you just like to work ... just plain and simple high goals, hard working, enjoy work.
    Funny how all your reasons are negative :? is this what they teach in people management?

    My husband was raised by small business owners. He learned to work hard for the family.
    To set his goals high for the businesses they owned. To be loyal, dedicated, trustworthy.
    He learned to work side by side, team player for the good of all. These are great traits.
    They are unselfish traits. He went on to build a successful business in his own field
    and pass all those traits onto our children, who's futures are bright.

    To me people like this are impressive people most especially because of the positivity
    that is in them. unsung's words so inspiring, positive amidst personal trials ...
    working very hard towards personal goals.
    I guess what it comes down to is the type of people one really admires this is who we find
    impressive. For me it is those who strive, attain and live with positivity effecting all those around
    them in a positive way.
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