And like many people have already said, if you can't take care of your employees with minimum wages, if not living wages, you have no business being in business.
And again... a huge disparity between minimum wage and living wage. Between what the government thinks is the minimum necessary to live on and what it really is.
Canada had the minimum wage increase in increments much like the US since the 70's.
When the govt suggests a mandatory $3.00 per hour increase it can't help but effect
small business and wage earners jobs.
We all know why this administration made this ridiculous request. It was not a noble attempt
at helping the poor.
Oh boy, look at all those 10 an hour wages. Our banks went to hell, our economy sucks, jobs dried up and went to the US for cheaper labour, we had to take the "u" out of our spelling so we could save money when we print with less letters. ha ha ha
One day or five years, you go on unemployment, you don't make a statement that you've never been helped. Don't get it, you never will.
Are you overreacting? I have only said that a large increase in the minimum wage will hurt
small business and wage earners. A more reasonable increase could have been passed
something closer to a normal increase that would not result in job loss. But we know why
this huge increase was put forth by our President.
I must disagree that unemployment is 'help'.
It is a benefit provided by the employer to the employee, an earned benefit,
one employers are happy to give to those who qualify.
Unemployment is help? It's a program mandated by the government. The reason there need for such a large increase is because minimum hasn't been keeping up with the cost of living.
And it won't cripple business.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Work hard you say. So when welfare pays more then minimum wage I guess that is why it is easier to knock minimum wage then somebody sitting on their ass. Oh well!
EDIT: So you are happy to pay taxes for somebody not to work, than to encourage the minimum wage to go up. Some of you people down south are very odd!
It's sad that some people are so blinded that they can't see if people are making living wage's everyone benefits and society as whole will benefit ... but what can one do ... unfortunately far too many people are convinced that everything will cost that much more. Minimum wage here in Ontario is 10.25 my morning coffee from McDonalds is still less than a $1.50 ... No McDonalds and WalMart's have closed. I think some Starbucks have closed but thats because they've always been over priced and couldn't compete with Tim Horton's. I don't care what job people do they deserve living wages.
:thumbup: That's awesome that Tim Horton's is kicking Starbuck ass in Canada. I prefer Horton's to Starbucks any day.
In my area I only know of 1 stand alone starbucks, target will have them and bookstores ... but they can't compete against Tim Horton's.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Are you overreacting? I have only said that a large increase in the minimum wage will hurt
small business and wage earners. A more reasonable increase could have been passed
something closer to a normal increase that would not result in job loss. But we know why
this huge increase was put forth by our President.
I must disagree that unemployment is 'help'.
It is a benefit provided by the employer to the employee, an earned benefit,
one employers are happy to give to those who qualify.
Unemployment Compensation - Insurance benefits paid by the state or federal government to individuals who are involuntarily out of work in order to provide them with necessities, such as food, clothing, and shelter.
It is help when you need it, provided by the government. But you don't believe in that...
Unemployment is help? It's a program mandated by the government. The reason there need for such a large increase is because minimum hasn't been keeping up with the cost of living.
And it won't cripple business.
Yes mandated insurance all employers pay into to fund their employees.
An earned benefit.... not govt help.
A lower increase would have passed and not affected jobs. That makes too much sense I know.
But again we now why such a large increase was proposed.
Are you overreacting? I have only said that a large increase in the minimum wage will hurt
small business and wage earners. A more reasonable increase could have been passed
something closer to a normal increase that would not result in job loss. But we know why
this huge increase was put forth by our President.
I must disagree that unemployment is 'help'.
It is a benefit provided by the employer to the employee, an earned benefit,
one employers are happy to give to those who qualify.
Unemployment Compensation - Insurance benefits paid by the state or federal government to individuals who are involuntarily out of work in order to provide them with necessities, such as food, clothing, and shelter.
It is help when you need it, provided by the government. But you don't believe in that...
Unemployment is help? It's a program mandated by the government. The reason there need for such a large increase is because minimum hasn't been keeping up with the cost of living.
And it won't cripple business.
Yes mandated insurance all employers pay into to fund their employees.
An earned benefit.... not govt help.
A lower increase would have passed and not affected jobs. That makes too much sense I know.
But again we now why such a large increase was proposed.
It's government insurance, a safety net per say if you are laid off or unduly let go from a job. Government assistance for employees. HELP. You're really in denial.
Unemployment is help? It's a program mandated by the government. The reason there need for such a large increase is because minimum hasn't been keeping up with the cost of living.
And it won't cripple business.
Yes mandated insurance all employers pay into to fund their employees.
An earned benefit.... not govt help.
A lower increase would have passed and not affected jobs. That makes too much sense I know.
But again we now why such a large increase was proposed.
Not Govt help?
So you're trying to tell us that an employers association all got together and decided to formulate an insurance program that protected workers in the event of a layoff? Or was the government involved in developing such a necessity to ensure the average citizen, in the event of a layoff, was protected for a term until they might find another job to pay their bills?
Regardless of whether or not the government collects on the front end or the back end to fund such an essential mode of assistance... It's government help. How is this hard to understand?
Unemployment is help? It's a program mandated by the government. The reason there need for such a large increase is because minimum hasn't been keeping up with the cost of living.
And it won't cripple business.
Yes mandated insurance all employers pay into to fund their employees.
An earned benefit.... not govt help.
A lower increase would have passed and not affected jobs. That makes too much sense I know.
But again we now why such a large increase was proposed.
It's government insurance, a safety net per say if you are laid off or unduly let go from a job. Government assistance for employees. HELP. You're really in denial.
It is an earned benefit that all employers pay into, an insurance policy.
Have you met employers who don't want to pay that? I have not.
My employees have deserved this benefit.
I gladly take care of our employees because we have been fortunate to have great people.
But then we are great employers too. A two way street.
I guess you will let us know what kind of employer you find. I hope a nice one.
Regardless of whether or not the government collects on the front end or the back end to fund such an essential mode of assistance... It's government help. How is this hard to understand?
It is a benefit funded by taxes. Just like those in work are taxed on their income to fund, amongst other things, social security, medicare, etc. As you say, whether collected on the front or back end. Compulsory tax - no 'I'm a good employer, therefore I will fund your unemployment benefit'. For all, going into a pot.
Are you overreacting? I have only said that a large increase in the minimum wage will hurt
small business and wage earners. A more reasonable increase could have been passed
something closer to a normal increase that would not result in job loss. But we know why
this huge increase was put forth by our President.
I must disagree that unemployment is 'help'.
It is a benefit provided by the employer to the employee, an earned benefit,
one employers are happy to give to those who qualify.
Unemployment Compensation - Insurance benefits paid by the state or federal government to individuals who are involuntarily out of work in order to provide them with necessities, such as food, clothing, and shelter.
It is help when you need it, provided by the government. But you don't believe in that...
oh Jean I'm an employer for 20 years :fp:
Your husband is an employer. You spend your time with us on PJ forums...
Yes mandated insurance all employers pay into to fund their employees.
An earned benefit.... not govt help.
A lower increase would have passed and not affected jobs. That makes too much sense I know.
But again we now why such a large increase was proposed.
It's government insurance, a safety net per say if you are laid off or unduly let go from a job. Government assistance for employees. HELP. You're really in denial.
It is an earned benefit that all employers pay into, an insurance policy. Have you met employers who don't want to pay that? I have not.
My employees have deserved this benefit.
I gladly take care of our employees because we have been fortunate to have great people.
But then we are great employers too. A two way street.
I guess you will let us know what kind of employer you find. I hope a nice one.
:? our employees are not effected by minimum wage as they are skilled labor.
I worked in printing for 15 years (and I'll never go back). Skilled labor by learning on the job. Hence entry level, hence they were probably paid minimum wage or hopefully more when they started, pending on company pay. I started higher than minimum wage because of my education in graphic arts. AND because the company I worked for took care of their employees, at least until the owner passed away.
I think the discussion is kind of getting bogged down into specific peoples history with employment, the next step is getting super personal and then locking the thread. So for the sake of argument, because it has been a good one for the most part, let's try to redirect a little.
I don't think we can deny the difference in percentage of purchasing power between a minimum wage increase in NYC and a minimum wage increase in Roseau, MN. Instead of a specific dollar amount, should the Federal minimum wage be a formula of some kind?
In reviewing and reading since this topic began, I realize that a minimum wage is probably a necessary evil with the current corporatism we have in the US, but I wonder if it is better figured out at the state level rather than the federal level. The feds dictate to the state that a minimum wage is required to be x% of average COL. The state measures the COL in their respective communities, taking all the communities into account at a more micro level than a federal mandate. This would be a benefit to businesses paying minimum wage too because they would have some control over the raising or the lowering of the minimum wage because they can help to raise, hold, or lower the COL.
Any thoughts?
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Regardless of whether or not the government collects on the front end or the back end to fund such an essential mode of assistance... It's government help. How is this hard to understand?
It is a benefit funded by taxes. Just like those in work are taxed on their income to fund, amongst other things, social security, medicare, etc. As you say, whether collected on the front or back end. Compulsory tax - no 'I'm a good employer, therefore I will fund your unemployment benefit'. For all, going into a pot.
Yes exactly ... it is a benefit program funded by employers. If we don't employ there is no
benefit. Just as employers pay matching towards every employee on the SS and Medicare contributions...
we rock don't we
I think the discussion is kind of getting bogged down into specific peoples history with employment, the next step is getting super personal and then locking the thread. So for the sake of argument, because it has been a good one for the most part, let's try to redirect a little.
I don't think we can deny the difference in percentage of purchasing power between a minimum wage increase in NYC and a minimum wage increase in Roseau, MN. Instead of a specific dollar amount, should the Federal minimum wage be a formula of some kind?
In reviewing and reading since this topic began, I realize that a minimum wage is probably a necessary evil with the current corporatism we have in the US, but I wonder if it is better figured out at the state level rather than the federal level. The feds dictate to the state that a minimum wage is required to be x% of average COL. The state measures the COL in their respective communities, taking all the communities into account at a more micro level than a federal mandate. This would be a benefit to businesses paying minimum wage too because they would have some control over the raising or the lowering of the minimum wage because they can help to raise, hold, or lower the COL.
Any thoughts?
Read pandoras link to Canada. We do it by province. It works.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
:? our employees are not effected by minimum wage as they are skilled labor.
I worked in printing for 15 years (and I'll never go back). Skilled labor by learning on the job. Hence entry level, hence they were probably paid minimum wage or hopefully more when they started, pending on company pay. I started higher than minimum wage because of my education in graphic arts. AND because the company I worked for took care of their employees, at least until the owner passed away.
If you started above minimum wage with an education why would you assume
our employees did not... :?
We have never had an employee anywhere near minimum wage, none without education
and experience. I'm sure printing misses you And yes old school owners like us rock.
A family business with a heart.
What kind of job are you hoping to get this time around Jean?
You mentioned part time will mean minimum wage.
That is not at all the case in many industries including ours and our part time employees
are well above.
It's government insurance, a safety net per say if you are laid off or unduly let go from a job. Government assistance for employees. HELP. You're really in denial.
It is an earned benefit that all employers pay into, an insurance policy. Have you met employers who don't want to pay that? I have not.
My employees have deserved this benefit.
I gladly take care of our employees because we have been fortunate to have great people.
But then we are great employers too. A two way street.
I guess you will let us know what kind of employer you find. I hope a nice one.
Uh, not really an option!
Of course it's not an option but that would not be the point though. It is not something
business owners would ever fight either. At least not the ones I have met. We fight unemployment benefits as they are called when an employee does not fit the criteria
and has not earned the benefit when they lost their job.
We have only had two employees out of a few dozen that we fought benefits on
because employees are deserving.
In reviewing and reading since this topic began, I realize that a minimum wage is probably a necessary evil with the current corporatism we have in the US, but I wonder if it is better figured out at the state level rather than the federal level. The feds dictate to the state that a minimum wage is required to be x% of average COL. The state measures the COL in their respective communities, taking all the communities into account at a more micro level than a federal mandate. This would be a benefit to businesses paying minimum wage too because they would have some control over the raising or the lowering of the minimum wage because they can help to raise, hold, or lower the COL.
Any thoughts?
Minimum wage is necessary but not a necessary 'evil'.! T I was under the understanding that, whilst minimum wage was set at federal level, there is still state level input - usually going higher. There are also so many exemptions to minimum wage, it's untrue. Must also bear in mind that when there are these increases within the fair minimum wage act, BILLIONS in tax cuts were included for small businesses.
Yes mandated insurance all employers pay into to fund their employees.
An earned benefit.... not govt help.
A lower increase would have passed and not affected jobs. That makes too much sense I know.
But again we now why such a large increase was proposed.
It's government insurance, a safety net per say if you are laid off or unduly let go from a job. Government assistance for employees. HELP. You're really in denial.
It is an earned benefit that all employers pay into, an insurance policy.
Have you met employers who don't want to pay that? I have not.
My employees have deserved this benefit.
I gladly take care of our employees because we have been fortunate to have great people.
But then we are great employers too. A two way street.
I guess you will let us know what kind of employer you find. I hope a nice one.
You do know what unemployment insurance is ... right? It's a program mandated by the government. Every working person pays into it. If your fortunate you may never need to collect it. Unfortunately some people are in seasonal occupations and might collect every year or far more often than others ... those people probably take out more than they put in (at least in Canada we have plenty of seasonal workers who are like that).
It's like any insurance basically all the money goes into a big pot that some need to access and many don't.
But the government mandated it, if they did not mandate this then employees would be left high and dry when out of work.
So how come the republicans didn't offer a plan to raise minimum wage ... maybe incrementally? how come out right rejection? offer a solution? compromise? negotiate? or whatever? seriously? many of these folks that are now at wal mart or where ever had good manufacturing jobs at one time or another, it is not their fault that all these companies have decided to move their production to China.
The quality of stuff made in china is no where near as good as what was once made in north america. I got relatives that are in the trades and they all tell me that tools made over here last and last, tools that come from china just fall apart.
I believe Sears no longer offers lifetime guarantee on tools, why is that? (correct me if I'm wrong about the guarantee) ... Canadian Tire over here used to offer lifetime guarantee on their brand of tools? why is that.
Those 2 stores i just mentioned as well as wal mart benefit hugely from low minimum wage, plus they import in cheap Chinese crap ...
the solution I'd love to see would be an import tax added to products coming from countries with extremely low wages with that money going to help re train people who lost good jobs to china.
It's not like it use to be 20-30 years ago when many of those minimum wage jobs were manned mostly by students.
I remember about 15-16 years ago a wal mart near me almost got unionized and some of the employees they interviewed said "they did not want a union, their husbands worked at GM", Its too bad the media couldn't find these people today and see if their feelings have changed ... because GM closed it's last plant in the area about 2 years ago ... but if there still at wal mart I'll bet their thankful minimum wage is 10.25
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Minimum wage is necessary but not a necessary 'evil'.!
You say potato, I say potato...wait that doesn't work on a message board. I don't like it based on principle. Same principle applies to businesses that take advantage of workers, don't like that either.
T I was under the understanding that, whilst minimum wage was set at federal level, there is still state level input - usually going higher.
There are also so many exemptions to minimum wage, it's untrue.
not sure what you mean by that. Are you talking about service jobs like waiting tables?
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
And I agree we can easily go to the same level of minimum wage but we need to in increments.
Not all at once so people don't lose their jobs or have hours cut in the small business work place.
That defeats the purpose.
here's a real fucking solution. if you are physically at your job why are you on pearljam.com playing around with your friends? if you are working from your home office why are you jerkin around with your pals on kipwinger.org? if you are an officer worker why are you not doing your daily tasks but rather strokin well to kateupton.onlike10?
You do know what unemployment insurance is ... right? It's a program mandated by the government. Every working person pays into it. If your fortunate you may never need to collect it. Unfortunately some people are in seasonal occupations and might collect every year or far more often than others ... those people probably take out more than they put in (at least in Canada we have plenty of seasonal workers who are like that).
It's like any insurance basically all the money goes into a big pot that some need to access and many don't.
But the government mandated it, if they did not mandate this then employees would be left high and dry when out of work.
So how come the republicans didn't offer a plan to raise minimum wage ... maybe incrementally? how come out right rejection? offer a solution? compromise? negotiate? or whatever? seriously? many of these folks that are now at wal mart or where ever had good manufacturing jobs at one time or another, it is not their fault that all these companies have decided to move their production to China.
The quality of stuff made in china is no where near as good as what was once made in north america. I got relatives that are in the trades and they all tell me that tools made over here last and last, tools that come from china just fall apart.
I believe Sears no longer offers lifetime guarantee on tools, why is that? (correct me if I'm wrong about the guarantee) ... Canadian Tire over here used to offer lifetime guarantee on their brand of tools? why is that.
Those 2 stores i just mentioned as well as wal mart benefit hugely from low minimum wage, plus they import in cheap Chinese crap ...
the solution I'd love to see would be an import tax added to products coming from countries with extremely low wages with that money going to help re train people who lost good jobs to china.
It's not like it use to be 20-30 years ago when many of those minimum wage jobs were manned mostly by students.
I remember about 15-16 years ago a wal mart near me almost got unionized and some of the employees they interviewed said "they did not want a union, their husbands worked at GM", Its too bad the media couldn't find these people today and see if their feelings have changed ... because GM closed it's last plant in the area about 2 years ago ... but if there still at wal mart I'll bet their thankful minimum wage is 10.25
Yes I've known what it is for the 22 years I have been paying my employees.
To employers it is unemployment benefits something we are happy to pay.
Something our employees have earned after meeting the hours/wages mandatory
if their job loss meets the required criteria.
And I agree we can easily go to the same level of minimum wage but we need to in increments.
Not all at once so people don't lose their jobs or have hours cut in the small business work place.
That defeats the purpose.
start printing the rules & obligations to giving poor ass people a raise. you folks got the printing presses. design & print the pamplets
here's a real fucking solution. if you are physically at your job why are you on pearljam.com playing around with your friends? if you are working from your home office why are you jerkin around with your pals on kipwinger.org? if you are an officer worker why are you not doing your daily tasks but rather strokin well to kateupton.onlike10?
Hey hey Mr. Chadwick! I kick ass at my job. I do NOT put fucking around here over the shit I get paid to do
There are also so many exemptions to minimum wage, it's untrue.
not sure what you mean by that. Are you talking about service jobs like waiting tables?
Not just that - though there is a lot of 'non-kosher' stuff going on there. Employer is supposed to make up the difference if the paltry $2 and some and tips don't amount to minimum but they have ways around that.
Minimum wage doesn't always apply - depends on the nature of the business, the volume of business done (so a lot of little businesses 'just scrapping by' can be exempt), number of employees, age of worker, how the hours are worked, disability, etc....
Where there's a will, there's a way - but of course some of these could be unscrupulous business people.
But going back to what you were saying - there is a logic in going with a percentage.
here's a real fucking solution. if you are physically at your job why are you on pearljam.com playing around with your friends? if you are working from your home office why are you jerkin around with your pals on kipwinger.org? if you are an officer worker why are you not doing your daily tasks but rather strokin well to kateupton.onlike10?
Hey hey Mr. Chadwick! I kick ass at my job. I do NOT put fucking around here over the shit I get paid to do
stop it. just stop it!
today & from now on it is 19goddamn29
we aint got the internet at our workplaces
"sweep the fucking floor or get beat with a crowbar" should be obama's moto & slogan
"get your big asses off the computers when working or get my big ass dress shoe stuck up your ass"
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And again... a huge disparity between minimum wage and living wage. Between what the government thinks is the minimum necessary to live on and what it really is.
Unemployment is help? It's a program mandated by the government. The reason there need for such a large increase is because minimum hasn't been keeping up with the cost of living.
And it won't cripple business.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
In my area I only know of 1 stand alone starbucks, target will have them and bookstores ... but they can't compete against Tim Horton's.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Unemployment Compensation - Insurance benefits paid by the state or federal government to individuals who are involuntarily out of work in order to provide them with necessities, such as food, clothing, and shelter.
It is help when you need it, provided by the government. But you don't believe in that...
An earned benefit.... not govt help.
A lower increase would have passed and not affected jobs. That makes too much sense I know.
But again we now why such a large increase was proposed.
It's government insurance, a safety net per say if you are laid off or unduly let go from a job. Government assistance for employees. HELP. You're really in denial.
Another reason for minimum wage laws.
Not Govt help?
So you're trying to tell us that an employers association all got together and decided to formulate an insurance program that protected workers in the event of a layoff? Or was the government involved in developing such a necessity to ensure the average citizen, in the event of a layoff, was protected for a term until they might find another job to pay their bills?
Regardless of whether or not the government collects on the front end or the back end to fund such an essential mode of assistance... It's government help. How is this hard to understand?
Have you met employers who don't want to pay that? I have not.
My employees have deserved this benefit.
I gladly take care of our employees because we have been fortunate to have great people.
But then we are great employers too. A two way street.
I guess you will let us know what kind of employer you find. I hope a nice one.
It is a benefit funded by taxes. Just like those in work are taxed on their income to fund, amongst other things, social security, medicare, etc. As you say, whether collected on the front or back end. Compulsory tax - no 'I'm a good employer, therefore I will fund your unemployment benefit'. For all, going into a pot.
Your husband is an employer. You spend your time with us on PJ forums...
Uh, not really an option!
I worked in printing for 15 years (and I'll never go back). Skilled labor by learning on the job. Hence entry level, hence they were probably paid minimum wage or hopefully more when they started, pending on company pay. I started higher than minimum wage because of my education in graphic arts. AND because the company I worked for took care of their employees, at least until the owner passed away.
I don't think we can deny the difference in percentage of purchasing power between a minimum wage increase in NYC and a minimum wage increase in Roseau, MN. Instead of a specific dollar amount, should the Federal minimum wage be a formula of some kind?
In reviewing and reading since this topic began, I realize that a minimum wage is probably a necessary evil with the current corporatism we have in the US, but I wonder if it is better figured out at the state level rather than the federal level. The feds dictate to the state that a minimum wage is required to be x% of average COL. The state measures the COL in their respective communities, taking all the communities into account at a more micro level than a federal mandate. This would be a benefit to businesses paying minimum wage too because they would have some control over the raising or the lowering of the minimum wage because they can help to raise, hold, or lower the COL.
Any thoughts?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
benefit. Just as employers pay matching towards every employee on the SS and Medicare contributions...
we rock don't we
Read pandoras link to Canada. We do it by province. It works.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
our employees did not... :?
We have never had an employee anywhere near minimum wage, none without education
and experience. I'm sure printing misses you
A family business with a heart.
What kind of job are you hoping to get this time around Jean?
You mentioned part time will mean minimum wage.
That is not at all the case in many industries including ours and our part time employees
are well above.
business owners would ever fight either. At least not the ones I have met. We fight
unemployment benefits as they are called when an employee does not fit the criteria
and has not earned the benefit when they lost their job.
We have only had two employees out of a few dozen that we fought benefits on
because employees are deserving.
Minimum wage is necessary but not a necessary 'evil'.! T I was under the understanding that, whilst minimum wage was set at federal level, there is still state level input - usually going higher. There are also so many exemptions to minimum wage, it's untrue. Must also bear in mind that when there are these increases within the fair minimum wage act, BILLIONS in tax cuts were included for small businesses.
You do know what unemployment insurance is ... right? It's a program mandated by the government. Every working person pays into it. If your fortunate you may never need to collect it. Unfortunately some people are in seasonal occupations and might collect every year or far more often than others ... those people probably take out more than they put in (at least in Canada we have plenty of seasonal workers who are like that).
It's like any insurance basically all the money goes into a big pot that some need to access and many don't.
But the government mandated it, if they did not mandate this then employees would be left high and dry when out of work.
So how come the republicans didn't offer a plan to raise minimum wage ... maybe incrementally? how come out right rejection? offer a solution? compromise? negotiate? or whatever? seriously? many of these folks that are now at wal mart or where ever had good manufacturing jobs at one time or another, it is not their fault that all these companies have decided to move their production to China.
The quality of stuff made in china is no where near as good as what was once made in north america. I got relatives that are in the trades and they all tell me that tools made over here last and last, tools that come from china just fall apart.
I believe Sears no longer offers lifetime guarantee on tools, why is that? (correct me if I'm wrong about the guarantee) ... Canadian Tire over here used to offer lifetime guarantee on their brand of tools? why is that.
Those 2 stores i just mentioned as well as wal mart benefit hugely from low minimum wage, plus they import in cheap Chinese crap ...
the solution I'd love to see would be an import tax added to products coming from countries with extremely low wages with that money going to help re train people who lost good jobs to china.
It's not like it use to be 20-30 years ago when many of those minimum wage jobs were manned mostly by students.
I remember about 15-16 years ago a wal mart near me almost got unionized and some of the employees they interviewed said "they did not want a union, their husbands worked at GM", Its too bad the media couldn't find these people today and see if their feelings have changed ... because GM closed it's last plant in the area about 2 years ago ... but if there still at wal mart I'll bet their thankful minimum wage is 10.25
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
You say potato, I say potato...wait that doesn't work on a message board. I don't like it based on principle. Same principle applies to businesses that take advantage of workers, don't like that either.
http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/america.htm
This was pretty interesting
not sure what you mean by that. Are you talking about service jobs like waiting tables?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Not all at once so people don't lose their jobs or have hours cut in the small business work place.
That defeats the purpose.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
To employers it is unemployment benefits something we are happy to pay.
Something our employees have earned after meeting the hours/wages mandatory
if their job loss meets the required criteria.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Very interesting. Didn't think it would be that many with 'above'. Just goes to show.
Not just that - though there is a lot of 'non-kosher' stuff going on there. Employer is supposed to make up the difference if the paltry $2 and some and tips don't amount to minimum but they have ways around that.
Minimum wage doesn't always apply - depends on the nature of the business, the volume of business done (so a lot of little businesses 'just scrapping by' can be exempt), number of employees, age of worker, how the hours are worked, disability, etc....
Where there's a will, there's a way - but of course some of these could be unscrupulous business people.
But going back to what you were saying - there is a logic in going with a percentage.
today & from now on it is 19goddamn29
we aint got the internet at our workplaces
"sweep the fucking floor or get beat with a crowbar" should be obama's moto & slogan
"get your big asses off the computers when working or get my big ass dress shoe stuck up your ass"
kinda like that there
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce