Is this the issue here? I don't think the problem is companies that pay well. We have a Boeing plant here in Charleston. It's a great job to have. The problem are the companies that don't pay well and the government forcing PRIVATE companies what they have to pay in wages. There are other things the government can be doing to stimulate the economy.
1) how about balancing the budget?
2) maybe stop ridiculously and needlessly spending the taxes that most of us pay?
3) eliminating the fed?
4) stop the tax breaks for large corporation
5) maybe not making religions tax exempt?
Just a few ideas.
nice ideas. well all have a budget we must balance. why the government neglects theirs is beyond any of us.
yes they spend ridiculously. tax breaks for large corps is bullshit as is religious tax exemptions. eliminating the fed?
The federal reserve stripped down is a privately owned central bank with no reserves. They create paper money with no backing. Then they loan that money to the government in exchange for US bonds. This creates an endless cycle of national debt. The government then owes the fed the value of the bonds plus interest. They are exempt from paying any income tax. And they don't have to open their books to show how they are spending and loaning our money.
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It is refreshing to see the Federal Reserve being discussed.
I have to laugh at people who think the economy is going to tank by making sure that somebody who has a job is going to earn at 10 an hour, for forty hours a week, 52 weeks a year a whopping $20,800.00 before taxes. Laughable.
Same people have no problem with what I posted below. Maybe the poor see it is a different way. They are happy to earn more money and pay more and the fact that you mouth pieces think that shouldn't happen on your wage. Well you make more money, you shouldn't gripe about prices going up. I don't see you starting too many threads on prices going up over the years, when minimum wage has not moved an inch. What be up with that. You people must be proud to wear, drive, and purchase things that say: Made in anywhere but the USA to keep prices down. Very proud people!
From the other thread:
Funny according to these stats, the bums who ride the wagon in 40 states make more than an $8 an hour job and 7 states more then $12 hour, ohhh and the kicker 9 states pay a welfare bum more then a teacher. You people keep knocking half decent pay, for a good laugh while your tax dollar basically is providing minimum wage. ha ha ha ha
wonder why, considering the poor state of business and jobs that this
administration would ask for such a ridiculously high increase.
This chart shows the minimum wage increasing by cents in the past :?
mere cents.
I think if a reasonable response was made to minimum wage we wouldn't be talking.
Americans should look to the tactics of this President and it's party. The agenda is quite clear.
I have to laugh at people who think the economy is going to tank by making sure that somebody who has a job is going to earn at 10 an hour, for forty hours a week, 52 weeks a year a whopping $20,800.00 before taxes. Laughable.
The problem I have with minimum wage being increased is it wouldn't really solve anything. I mean isn't that how inflation works? When people are making more money prices on things get raised and then we are back in the same boat. Plus if minimum wage is say 8 bucks and they raise it to 10 bucks, what happens to the people who have worked there way up from 8 dollars to getting 10 dollars, how would they feel about going back to making minimum wage. You kind of have to give them a raise too, then it is kind of a domino effect and you are giving everyone a raise.
Plus like I said earlier a higher minimum wage screws over younger workers since if you have to pay your workers a good salary for an entry level position that requires no skills, and there is a surplus of workers why would anyone take a risk and hire someone with no experience?
as a manager, i would not let my worker work that many hours as in the long run it actually hurts productivity.
but you might be impressed
actually I would not. in my line of work, you need to take care of yourself and working that many hours tells me a couple of things. you have poor time management, you have some attachment issues that are not good or you are too afraid that you will be fired if you don't work that much or finally, you have a hard time in your non-profession life.
I have to laugh at people who think the economy is going to tank by making sure that somebody who has a job is going to earn at 10 an hour, for forty hours a week, 52 weeks a year a whopping $20,800.00 before taxes. Laughable.
Same people have no problem with what I posted below. Maybe the poor see it is a different way. They are happy to earn more money and pay more and the fact that you mouth pieces think that shouldn't happen on your wage. Well you make more money, you shouldn't gripe about prices going up. I don't see you starting too many threads on prices going up over the years, when minimum wage has not moved an inch. What be up with that. You people must be proud to wear, drive, and purchase things that say: Made in anywhere but the USA to keep prices down. Very proud people!
solid assumptions
no one said the economy was going to tank. People have tried to talk about the hidden tax of inflation many times on these threads, no one wants to listen. If you increase the purchasing power of a dollar you don't need to raise the minimum wage and EVERYONE benefits.
I am so sick and tired of people thinking that because you focus on the economics of a situation you don't care about people. That couldn't be further from the truth for myself, which is why I do what I do in my life. It would be strange for me to work with those I hate and despise (the poor) all day every day wouldn't it?
stop assuming the for me against me stuff and just take people's ideas and see if they can help solve the problem.
People need more money...why is that? let's explore why the cost of living goes up all over the country year after year and maybe if we focus our energy on that, both business owners AND their employees can benefit.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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I have to laugh at people who think the economy is going to tank by making sure that somebody who has a job is going to earn at 10 an hour, for forty hours a week, 52 weeks a year a whopping $20,800.00 before taxes. Laughable.
The problem I have with minimum wage being increased is it wouldn't really solve anything. I mean isn't that how inflation works? When people are making more money prices on things get raised and then we are back in the same boat. Plus if minimum wage is say 8 bucks and they raise it to 10 bucks, what happens to the people who have worked there way up from 8 dollars to getting 10 dollars, how would they feel about going back to making minimum wage. You kind of have to give them a raise too, then it is kind of a domino effect and you are giving everyone a raise.
Plus like I said earlier a higher minimum wage screws over younger workers since if you have to pay your workers a good salary for an entry level position that requires no skills, and there is a surplus of workers why would anyone take a risk and hire someone with no experience?
Oh, i understand. But let us go through the motions for the past 10 years or so......you tell me which one does not belong and then we can talk about the moot point of a wage going up and the cause and effect.....
Gas prices
Concert ticket prices
Grocery prices
Basic needs
Minimum Wage going up
Explain to me why all that has gone way, way, up and the wage has not moved. Should be simple to do without using the lame excuse that the wage makes everything go up, eh?
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
as a manager, i would not let my worker work that many hours as in the long run it actually hurts productivity.
but you might be impressed
actually I would not. in my line of work, you need to take care of yourself and working that many hours tells me a couple of things. you have poor time management, you have some attachment issues that are not good or you are too afraid that you will be fired if you don't work that much or finally, you have a hard time in your non-profession life.
or you just like to work ... just plain and simple high goals, hard working, enjoy work.
Funny how all your reasons are negative :? is this what they teach in people management?
My husband was raised by small business owners. He learned to work hard for the family.
To set his goals high for the businesses they owned. To be loyal, dedicated, trustworthy.
He learned to work side by side, team player for the good of all. These are great traits.
They are unselfish traits. He went on to build a successful business in his own field
and pass all those traits onto our children, who's futures are bright.
To me people like this are impressive people most especially because of the positivity
that is in them. unsung's words so inspiring, positive amidst personal trials ...
working very hard towards personal goals.
I guess what it comes down to is the type of people one really admires this is who we find
impressive. For me it is those who strive, attain and live with positivity effecting all those around
them in a positive way.
I am so sick and tired of people thinking that because you focus on the economics of a situation you don't care about people.
Kinda tired of this as well - too many assumptions.
economics is the science behind the why's how's what's ... I love hearing about it...
keep it coming those who are educated in the workings of our country.
To me people like this are impressive people most especially because of the positivity
that is in them. unsung's words so inspiring, positive amidst personal trials ...
working very hard towards personal goals.
I guess what it comes down to is the type of people one really admires this is who we find
impressive. For me it is those who strive, attain and live with positivity effecting all those around
them in a positive way.
Not to discount unsung, but those qualities aren't exclusive to people working almost double a standard weekly shift.
Wonderful traits, but those kind of hours DO take a toll. And at what/whose expense?
To me people like this are impressive people most especially because of the positivity
that is in them. unsung's words so inspiring, positive amidst personal trials ...
working very hard towards personal goals.
I guess what it comes down to is the type of people one really admires this is who we find
impressive. For me it is those who strive, attain and live with positivity effecting all those around
them in a positive way.
Not to discount unsung, but those qualities aren't exclusive to people working almost double a standard weekly shift.
Wonderful traits, but those kind of hours DO take a toll. And at what/whose expense?
They do not necessarily take a toll anymore than negativity, living lazy, or without goals.
I think in a generalization hard working people are in much better shape mentally,
physically and spiritually then their counterparts.
It has to do with feeling good about yourself. Hard work does just this. Positive outlook makes all
the difference in health.
We are approaching 60. Many of our kids friend's fathers have passed. Those who have
were not hard working nor good examples for their young men. Life styles and outlook on life
is the key, the human body can take hard work, it needs hard work. But most importantly
the body needs a mind and heart that is positive. It needs to be surrounded by others with the
same.
actually I would not. in my line of work, you need to take care of yourself and working that many hours tells me a couple of things. you have poor time management, you have some attachment issues that are not good or you are too afraid that you will be fired if you don't work that much or finally, you have a hard time in your non-profession life.
or you just like to work ... just plain and simple high goals, hard working, enjoy work.
Funny how all your reasons are negative :? is this what they teach in people management?
My husband was raised by small business owners. He learned to work hard for the family.
To set his goals high for the businesses they owned. To be loyal, dedicated, trustworthy.
He learned to work side by side, team player for the good of all. These are great traits.
They are unselfish traits. He went on to build a successful business in his own field
and pass all those traits onto our children, who's futures are bright.
To me people like this are impressive people most especially because of the positivity
that is in them. unsung's words so inspiring, positive amidst personal trials ...
working very hard towards personal goals.
I guess what it comes down to is the type of people one really admires this is who we find
impressive. For me it is those who strive, attain and live with positivity effecting all those around
them in a positive way.
I agree that these traits you mention are positives and that it is what we want small (and large business) owners to be. However, I took the working long hours to be a negative because I do not believe that we should forgo other pleasures for the sake of work een when we enjoy said work. Forgoing time at home with family and friends or just relaxing and enjoying nature or reading a book or just having some downtime, allow us to recharge and maintain a good work/life balance. I think Americans, in particular, spend a great deal of time working in order to be successful within our given economic structure. I understand that many people think that our current work hard, earn as much as possible is the best system but I think there must be a third way to achieve a better economic balance. There are inherent problems within both socialism and capitalism and instead of touting the benefits of those two structures, I wonder if it is possible to discuss a third option that combines the merits of each. Just a thought, not very precise or elaborate but it is something that I have wondered about.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
Sounds to me like some people want to crawl out of the poor house but don't want to work for it. Unless you've hit the powerball jackpot, you have to work long hours at times. And yes, those times may be months of 60-72 hour work weeks. You can't have ot both ways.
i've noticed some of the members here are out of touch folks. do you people (not all of you mind you) truly know tough ass times? no you don't. hell most of us here do not know a single thing about truly being a broke ass bastard. we whine, we cry, we snivel because prices are growing higher, blah blah blah. gas is expensive, bread's gone up, bottled god damn water is through the ceiling, clothes is god damn expensive, ever buy a car these days? it's crazy, right?
how about wearing rags awhile, hmm? how about drinking nasty ass river water awhile & washing your ass & your clothes in the fucker next to others doing the same thing. the united states of america is a spoiled ass country. here a lot of us can't even erect a clothesline because it offends our neighbors who run down the road in their high dollar bmw or vette. how about mind your own fucking business & leave my fucking clothesline be, hhmm
as time goes on money seems to expand. back in the day you could make a decent living on $0.19 an hour. you'd buy a house & a car on like a hundred dollars a month. money is blown out of proportion today right fucking now.
when i was a kid (im 40) a couple bucks in the gas tank lasted all night. we'd have a hoot friday night. we aint seen hard times in this country in a long frickin time.
i eat at least 3 meals daily & i have snacks & i have hot tea & or coffee every single day & i am not starving in the least & i have to say that in many other countries i'd be living as a king with my food & my one bedroom apartment & my 1994 lincoln towncar with over 200,000 miles on it & my bullshit warm ass clothes, socks & boots.
i got god damn hot running water & shampoo (two kinds even) & conditioner & body wash & i am fully able to wash my laundry in a washer. i wash my dishes in a sink with hot water & soap. i am right now typing you good & spoiled people just like me at our computers & cell phone & gadgets that we are a pampered ass lot.
people deserve to live a decent life globally. people making shoes for us in new guinea should be making $10-$19 per hour vs' their current wage of $0.13 god damn cents an hour. why is this? that is insane. sure they can buy an apple for $0.02
we have slave labor here in the unites states. we have prostitution slavery here in the usa. we have migrant workers who work harder than 97% of all pearl jam fans who are currently reading my rant. you poor ass fuckers as well as wealthy ass fuckers should go pick vegetables & fruit & nuts awhile. they only pay a couple dollars an hour. you'll be fine. its warm & they have a cup of water for lunch.
To me people like this are impressive people most especially because of the positivity
that is in them. unsung's words so inspiring, positive amidst personal trials ...
working very hard towards personal goals.
I guess what it comes down to is the type of people one really admires this is who we find
impressive. For me it is those who strive, attain and live with positivity effecting all those around
them in a positive way.
Not to discount unsung, but those qualities aren't exclusive to people working almost double a standard weekly shift.
Wonderful traits, but those kind of hours DO take a toll. And at what/whose expense?
They do not necessarily take a toll anymore than negativity, living lazy, or without goals.
I think in a generalization hard working people are in much better shape mentally,
physically and spiritually then their counterparts.
It has to do with feeling good about yourself. Hard work does just this. Positive outlook makes all
the difference in health.
We are approaching 60. Many of our kids friend's fathers have passed. Those who have
were not hard working nor good examples for their young men. Life styles and outlook on life
is the key, the human body can take hard work, it needs hard work. But most importantly
the body needs a mind and heart that is positive. It needs to be surrounded by others with the
same.
Are you kidding? No one, NO ONE has said on their death bed that they wished that they worked more in their life. Yet it is very common to be on your death bed and wished you spent more time with their kids, spent more time enjoying life, enjoy more time living. Studies prove that working too much leads to health problems, stress and balance problems, family problems, and productivity problems on the job. Do your research.
Sounds to me like some people want to crawl out of the poor house but don't want to work for it. Unless you've hit the powerball jackpot, you have to work long hours at times. And yes, those times may be months of 60-72 hour work weeks. You can't have ot both ways.
when i was next to speedy mccreedy & mickeyrat out on our highways i worked an average of 60-100 hrs every single week. sun up to sun down every single day except sunday, this was if i was running around locally & i slept in my house bed. if i was runnin around cross country i drove myself senseless. i was the proudest god damn driver in the universe. i had a erection 14 feet tall & felt unstoppable. but in the end im not a robot & i almost killed myself a few times. being a work aholic & or slave for some company sucks balls & they will forever take advantage of you. in the trucking industry it is all push & almost always zero heart. they will destroy you if they can. if i did not make at least 1 grand weekly i was pissy. $1,000.00 a week is in the poor house for many people. i thought i was doing well. come to find out many americans could not live their bullshit life style on a truck drivers honest hard working income. this is scary & sad as shit
actually I would not. in my line of work, you need to take care of yourself and working that many hours tells me a couple of things. you have poor time management, you have some attachment issues that are not good or you are too afraid that you will be fired if you don't work that much or finally, you have a hard time in your non-profession life.
or you just like to work ... just plain and simple high goals, hard working, enjoy work.
Funny how all your reasons are negative :? is this what they teach in people management?
My husband was raised by small business owners. He learned to work hard for the family.
To set his goals high for the businesses they owned. To be loyal, dedicated, trustworthy.
He learned to work side by side, team player for the good of all. These are great traits.
They are unselfish traits. He went on to build a successful business in his own field
and pass all those traits onto our children, who's futures are bright.
To me people like this are impressive people most especially because of the positivity
that is in them. unsung's words so inspiring, positive amidst personal trials ...
working very hard towards personal goals.
I guess what it comes down to is the type of people one really admires this is who we find
impressive. For me it is those who strive, attain and live with positivity effecting all those around
them in a positive way.
I agree that these traits you mention are positives and that it is what we want small (and large business) owners to be. However, I took the working long hours to be a negative because I do not believe that we should forgo other pleasures for the sake of work een when we enjoy said work. Forgoing time at home with family and friends or just relaxing and enjoying nature or reading a book or just having some downtime, allow us to recharge and maintain a good work/life balance. I think Americans, in particular, spend a great deal of time working in order to be successful within our given economic structure. I understand that many people think that our current work hard, earn as much as possible is the best system but I think there must be a third way to achieve a better economic balance. There are inherent problems within both socialism and capitalism and instead of touting the benefits of those two structures, I wonder if it is possible to discuss a third option that combines the merits of each. Just a thought, not very precise or elaborate but it is something that I have wondered about.
Americans are bred to work harder, faster, more than any other country. With that comes dysfunctional families (because parents aren't home raising their kids), health problems, a rise in mental dysfunction due to stress of overwork, loss in productivity time for business (not just sick time, but time on the job lost due to being stressed out), lack of a balance, and the list goes on and on. People are expected to work lots of overtime, to work on their "vacations", to feel guilty about taking personal time, etc. And one wonders about the state of Americans and their health... I can go on and on, I did research about work, time and the American a few years ago... European countries actually mandate leisure time because they know how important time off is to everyone, business included. The U.S. is just sabotaging itself here and people don't want to acknowledge that it's just another problem...
I agree that these traits you mention are positives and that it is what we want small (and large business) owners to be. However, I took the working long hours to be a negative because I do not believe that we should forgo other pleasures for the sake of work een when we enjoy said work. Forgoing time at home with family and friends or just relaxing and enjoying nature or reading a book or just having some downtime, allow us to recharge and maintain a good work/life balance. I think Americans, in particular, spend a great deal of time working in order to be successful within our given economic structure. I understand that many people think that our current work hard, earn as much as possible is the best system but I think there must be a third way to achieve a better economic balance. There are inherent problems within both socialism and capitalism and instead of touting the benefits of those two structures, I wonder if it is possible to discuss a third option that combines the merits of each. Just a thought, not very precise or elaborate but it is something that I have wondered about.
There's a difference with being a business owner and an employee in the terms of 'work'.
Here in what we consider enjoyment / life to be. Our business is our life, our work our life
because we choose it to be.
Some employees also do the same. They choose to have their work their life. It is what makes
them happiest. I don't think anyone should tell them that is wrong. I liken it to the military that leave their families to make a career. That is their life, their calling. They have made their work their life.
Why some do that and others don't has much to do with personal goals.
Much to do with what they are taught as children and role models.
Some people are not interested in sitting and reading, would not know what to do in nature
unless it was working to clean it up.
You are looking at it as what you think people should enjoy cause that is what you do.
We may like to go clean the biz up on our day off and have a beer at our desks...
we'll invite the kids to join us, of course
To add what this really means to us is when I tell my child something I am up against
as Mrs ImageLink and he says..." Mom what are WE going to do". To my heart, that fills it up!
It is this bond that all business owners feel and some employees.
Sounds to me like some people want to crawl out of the poor house but don't want to work for it. Unless you've hit the powerball jackpot, you have to work long hours at times. And yes, those times may be months of 60-72 hour work weeks. You can't have ot both ways.
Working over 60+ hours a week without it being a choice should be against the law. Yet because America is about capitalism and working people to the bone because CEOs need a better bottom line, it's acceptable (by the sheep, anyway). Not to mention, because some people have to work making minimum wage, they have no other choice. What bullshit.
So what is it that everyone wants? That the government force all employers to pay workers so that they can make $50,000 a year all while only working 30-40 hours a week? I understand working yourself senseless and employers taking advantage of workers. But damn people, one must have a work ethic that includes being willing to work more than you want to.
Sounds to me like some people want to crawl out of the poor house but don't want to work for it. Unless you've hit the powerball jackpot, you have to work long hours at times. And yes, those times may be months of 60-72 hour work weeks. You can't have ot both ways.
when i was next to speedy mccreedy & mickeyrat out on our highways i worked an average of 60-100 hrs every single week. sun up to sun down every single day except sunday, this was if i was running around locally & i slept in my house bed. if i was runnin around cross country i drove myself senseless. i was the proudest god damn driver in the universe. i had a erection 14 feet tall & felt unstoppable. but in the end im not a robot & i almost killed myself a few times. being a work aholic & or slave for some company sucks balls & they will forever take advantage of you. in the trucking industry it is all push & almost always zero heart. they will destroy you if they can. if i did not make at least 1 grand weekly i was pissy. $1,000.00 a week is in the poor house for many people. i thought i was doing well. come to find out many americans could not live their bullshit life style on a truck drivers honest hard working income. this is scary & sad as shit
That's mind settling. To know that the truck driver driving next to me is working on little sleep and is overworked means they are at high risk of causing an accident. That should be against the law, but hey, the trucking owner needs his money and so does the driver, so to hell with the other drivers on the road...
They do not necessarily take a toll anymore than negativity, living lazy, or without goals.
I think in a generalization hard working people are in much better shape mentally,
physically and spiritually then their counterparts.
It has to do with feeling good about yourself. Hard work does just this. Positive outlook makes all
the difference in health.
We are approaching 60. Many of our kids friend's fathers have passed. Those who have
were not hard working nor good examples for their young men. Life styles and outlook on life
is the key, the human body can take hard work, it needs hard work. But most importantly
the body needs a mind and heart that is positive. It needs to be surrounded by others with the
same.
I'm not talking about working hard - I do that working a typically 40-hour week...I'm talking about working excessive hours that by design deprive one of time for themselves, for family/friends, for decompressing. Recharging, as riotgrl mentioned.
1. close all doors to shipping work overseas
2. put work in our hands here in the u.s.
3. a full work week is 40 hrs a week
4. some prices may go up & some prices may go down
5. eating out will cost more
6. community service tasks should be done by ppl in jail & prison as well as mandatory voluntering or pay a little fine
7. create public transportion in all states, counties, towns & cities & people should use the buses as much as possible or get beat w/ a hammer
8. clotheslines
9. legalize marijuana straight across the board
10. growing hemp
That's mind settling. To know that the truck driver driving next to me is working on little sleep and is overworked means they are at high risk of causing an accident. That should be against the law, but hey, the trucking owner needs his money and so does the driver, so to hell with the other drivers on the road...
yes that driver could cause an accident. chances are it will not be his or her fault. truck drivers are professional drivers. yes they screw up. it's a fact that most of the time the accident was caused by a none truck driver.
Sounds to me like some people want to crawl out of the poor house but don't want to work for it. Unless you've hit the powerball jackpot, you have to work long hours at times. And yes, those times may be months of 60-72 hour work weeks. You can't have ot both ways.
when i was next to speedy mccreedy & mickeyrat out on our highways i worked an average of 60-100 hrs every single week. sun up to sun down every single day except sunday, this was if i was running around locally & i slept in my house bed. if i was runnin around cross country i drove myself senseless. i was the proudest god damn driver in the universe. i had a erection 14 feet tall & felt unstoppable. but in the end im not a robot & i almost killed myself a few times. being a work aholic & or slave for some company sucks balls & they will forever take advantage of you. in the trucking industry it is all push & almost always zero heart. they will destroy you if they can. if i did not make at least 1 grand weekly i was pissy. $1,000.00 a week is in the poor house for many people. i thought i was doing well. come to find out many americans could not live their bullshit life style on a truck drivers honest hard working income. this is scary & sad as shit
That's mind settling. To know that the truck driver driving next to me is working on little sleep and is overworked means they are at high risk of causing an accident. That should be against the law, but hey, the trucking owner needs his money and so does the driver, so to hell with the other drivers on the road...
It is against the law to drive like that. I'm not a truck driver, but my dad was long ago. He would tell me stories how driver's would keep 2 log books. One for the law when they were stopped and one for their employer. Are u aware of this practice Chadwick?
They do not necessarily take a toll anymore than negativity, living lazy, or without goals.
I think in a generalization hard working people are in much better shape mentally,
physically and spiritually then their counterparts.
It has to do with feeling good about yourself. Hard work does just this. Positive outlook makes all
the difference in health.
We are approaching 60. Many of our kids friend's fathers have passed. Those who have
were not hard working nor good examples for their young men. Life styles and outlook on life
is the key, the human body can take hard work, it needs hard work. But most importantly
the body needs a mind and heart that is positive. It needs to be surrounded by others with the
same.
I'm not talking about working hard - I do that working a typically 40-hour week...I'm talking about working excessive hours that by design deprive one of time for themselves, for family/friends, for decompressing. Recharging, as riotgrl mentioned.
It's really why there are so many Americans looking for a pill to cure that stress problem, anxiety problem, depression problem. Because there's no time to recharge.
We are approaching 60. Many of our kids friend's fathers have passed. Those who have
were not hard working nor good examples for their young men. Life styles and outlook on life
is the key, the human body can take hard work, it needs hard work. But most importantly
the body needs a mind and heart that is positive. It needs to be surrounded by others with the
same.
Are you kidding? No one, NO ONE has said on their death bed that they wished that they worked more in their life. Yet it is very common to be on your death bed and wished you spent more time with their kids, spent more time enjoying life, enjoy more time living. Studies prove that working too much leads to health problems, stress and balance problems, family problems, and productivity problems on the job. Do your research.
Yup. Still have yet to read the rest of this thread, but I know the time I spent with my father at the hospice three days before he died had NOTHING to do with work, but of the life he lived and the kind of man and father he was. A fucking good one at that.
Pandora, I don't get your comment about those fathers who've passed were not hardworking nor good examples. If you've clarified or corrected this subsequent to your post up there, then my apologies.
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The federal reserve stripped down is a privately owned central bank with no reserves. They create paper money with no backing. Then they loan that money to the government in exchange for US bonds. This creates an endless cycle of national debt. The government then owes the fed the value of the bonds plus interest. They are exempt from paying any income tax. And they don't have to open their books to show how they are spending and loaning our money.
Same people have no problem with what I posted below. Maybe the poor see it is a different way. They are happy to earn more money and pay more and the fact that you mouth pieces think that shouldn't happen on your wage. Well you make more money, you shouldn't gripe about prices going up. I don't see you starting too many threads on prices going up over the years, when minimum wage has not moved an inch. What be up with that. You people must be proud to wear, drive, and purchase things that say: Made in anywhere but the USA to keep prices down. Very proud people!
From the other thread:
Funny according to these stats, the bums who ride the wagon in 40 states make more than an $8 an hour job and 7 states more then $12 hour, ohhh and the kicker 9 states pay a welfare bum more then a teacher. You people keep knocking half decent pay, for a good laugh while your tax dollar basically is providing minimum wage. ha ha ha ha
http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
wonder why, considering the poor state of business and jobs that this
administration would ask for such a ridiculously high increase.
This chart shows the minimum wage increasing by cents in the past :?
mere cents.
I think if a reasonable response was made to minimum wage we wouldn't be talking.
Americans should look to the tactics of this President and it's party. The agenda is quite clear.
The problem I have with minimum wage being increased is it wouldn't really solve anything. I mean isn't that how inflation works? When people are making more money prices on things get raised and then we are back in the same boat. Plus if minimum wage is say 8 bucks and they raise it to 10 bucks, what happens to the people who have worked there way up from 8 dollars to getting 10 dollars, how would they feel about going back to making minimum wage. You kind of have to give them a raise too, then it is kind of a domino effect and you are giving everyone a raise.
Plus like I said earlier a higher minimum wage screws over younger workers since if you have to pay your workers a good salary for an entry level position that requires no skills, and there is a surplus of workers why would anyone take a risk and hire someone with no experience?
actually I would not. in my line of work, you need to take care of yourself and working that many hours tells me a couple of things. you have poor time management, you have some attachment issues that are not good or you are too afraid that you will be fired if you don't work that much or finally, you have a hard time in your non-profession life.
solid assumptions
no one said the economy was going to tank. People have tried to talk about the hidden tax of inflation many times on these threads, no one wants to listen. If you increase the purchasing power of a dollar you don't need to raise the minimum wage and EVERYONE benefits.
I am so sick and tired of people thinking that because you focus on the economics of a situation you don't care about people. That couldn't be further from the truth for myself, which is why I do what I do in my life. It would be strange for me to work with those I hate and despise (the poor) all day every day wouldn't it?
stop assuming the for me against me stuff and just take people's ideas and see if they can help solve the problem.
People need more money...why is that? let's explore why the cost of living goes up all over the country year after year and maybe if we focus our energy on that, both business owners AND their employees can benefit.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
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Oh, i understand. But let us go through the motions for the past 10 years or so......you tell me which one does not belong and then we can talk about the moot point of a wage going up and the cause and effect.....
Gas prices
Concert ticket prices
Grocery prices
Basic needs
Minimum Wage going up
Explain to me why all that has gone way, way, up and the wage has not moved. Should be simple to do without using the lame excuse that the wage makes everything go up, eh?
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Funny how all your reasons are negative :? is this what they teach in people management?
My husband was raised by small business owners. He learned to work hard for the family.
To set his goals high for the businesses they owned. To be loyal, dedicated, trustworthy.
He learned to work side by side, team player for the good of all. These are great traits.
They are unselfish traits. He went on to build a successful business in his own field
and pass all those traits onto our children, who's futures are bright.
To me people like this are impressive people most especially because of the positivity
that is in them. unsung's words so inspiring, positive amidst personal trials ...
working very hard towards personal goals.
I guess what it comes down to is the type of people one really admires this is who we find
impressive. For me it is those who strive, attain and live with positivity effecting all those around
them in a positive way.
keep it coming those who are educated in the workings of our country.
Wonderful traits, but those kind of hours DO take a toll. And at what/whose expense?
I think in a generalization hard working people are in much better shape mentally,
physically and spiritually then their counterparts.
It has to do with feeling good about yourself. Hard work does just this. Positive outlook makes all
the difference in health.
We are approaching 60. Many of our kids friend's fathers have passed. Those who have
were not hard working nor good examples for their young men. Life styles and outlook on life
is the key, the human body can take hard work, it needs hard work. But most importantly
the body needs a mind and heart that is positive. It needs to be surrounded by others with the
same.
I agree that these traits you mention are positives and that it is what we want small (and large business) owners to be. However, I took the working long hours to be a negative because I do not believe that we should forgo other pleasures for the sake of work een when we enjoy said work. Forgoing time at home with family and friends or just relaxing and enjoying nature or reading a book or just having some downtime, allow us to recharge and maintain a good work/life balance. I think Americans, in particular, spend a great deal of time working in order to be successful within our given economic structure. I understand that many people think that our current work hard, earn as much as possible is the best system but I think there must be a third way to achieve a better economic balance. There are inherent problems within both socialism and capitalism and instead of touting the benefits of those two structures, I wonder if it is possible to discuss a third option that combines the merits of each. Just a thought, not very precise or elaborate but it is something that I have wondered about.
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
how about wearing rags awhile, hmm? how about drinking nasty ass river water awhile & washing your ass & your clothes in the fucker next to others doing the same thing. the united states of america is a spoiled ass country. here a lot of us can't even erect a clothesline because it offends our neighbors who run down the road in their high dollar bmw or vette. how about mind your own fucking business & leave my fucking clothesline be, hhmm
as time goes on money seems to expand. back in the day you could make a decent living on $0.19 an hour. you'd buy a house & a car on like a hundred dollars a month. money is blown out of proportion today right fucking now.
when i was a kid (im 40) a couple bucks in the gas tank lasted all night. we'd have a hoot friday night. we aint seen hard times in this country in a long frickin time.
i eat at least 3 meals daily & i have snacks & i have hot tea & or coffee every single day & i am not starving in the least & i have to say that in many other countries i'd be living as a king with my food & my one bedroom apartment & my 1994 lincoln towncar with over 200,000 miles on it & my bullshit warm ass clothes, socks & boots.
i got god damn hot running water & shampoo (two kinds even) & conditioner & body wash & i am fully able to wash my laundry in a washer. i wash my dishes in a sink with hot water & soap. i am right now typing you good & spoiled people just like me at our computers & cell phone & gadgets that we are a pampered ass lot.
people deserve to live a decent life globally. people making shoes for us in new guinea should be making $10-$19 per hour vs' their current wage of $0.13 god damn cents an hour. why is this? that is insane. sure they can buy an apple for $0.02
we have slave labor here in the unites states. we have prostitution slavery here in the usa. we have migrant workers who work harder than 97% of all pearl jam fans who are currently reading my rant. you poor ass fuckers as well as wealthy ass fuckers should go pick vegetables & fruit & nuts awhile. they only pay a couple dollars an hour. you'll be fine. its warm & they have a cup of water for lunch.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Are you kidding? No one, NO ONE has said on their death bed that they wished that they worked more in their life. Yet it is very common to be on your death bed and wished you spent more time with their kids, spent more time enjoying life, enjoy more time living. Studies prove that working too much leads to health problems, stress and balance problems, family problems, and productivity problems on the job. Do your research.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Americans are bred to work harder, faster, more than any other country. With that comes dysfunctional families (because parents aren't home raising their kids), health problems, a rise in mental dysfunction due to stress of overwork, loss in productivity time for business (not just sick time, but time on the job lost due to being stressed out), lack of a balance, and the list goes on and on. People are expected to work lots of overtime, to work on their "vacations", to feel guilty about taking personal time, etc. And one wonders about the state of Americans and their health... I can go on and on, I did research about work, time and the American a few years ago... European countries actually mandate leisure time because they know how important time off is to everyone, business included. The U.S. is just sabotaging itself here and people don't want to acknowledge that it's just another problem...
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Here in what we consider enjoyment / life to be. Our business is our life, our work our life
because we choose it to be.
Some employees also do the same. They choose to have their work their life. It is what makes
them happiest. I don't think anyone should tell them that is wrong. I liken it to the military that leave their families to make a career. That is their life, their calling. They have made their work their life.
Why some do that and others don't has much to do with personal goals.
Much to do with what they are taught as children and role models.
Some people are not interested in sitting and reading, would not know what to do in nature
unless it was working to clean it up.
You are looking at it as what you think people should enjoy cause that is what you do.
We may like to go clean the biz up on our day off and have a beer at our desks...
we'll invite the kids to join us, of course
To add what this really means to us is when I tell my child something I am up against
as Mrs ImageLink and he says..." Mom what are WE going to do". To my heart, that fills it up!
It is this bond that all business owners feel and some employees.
Working over 60+ hours a week without it being a choice should be against the law. Yet because America is about capitalism and working people to the bone because CEOs need a better bottom line, it's acceptable (by the sheep, anyway). Not to mention, because some people have to work making minimum wage, they have no other choice. What bullshit.
That's mind settling. To know that the truck driver driving next to me is working on little sleep and is overworked means they are at high risk of causing an accident. That should be against the law, but hey, the trucking owner needs his money and so does the driver, so to hell with the other drivers on the road...
2. put work in our hands here in the u.s.
3. a full work week is 40 hrs a week
4. some prices may go up & some prices may go down
5. eating out will cost more
6. community service tasks should be done by ppl in jail & prison as well as mandatory voluntering or pay a little fine
7. create public transportion in all states, counties, towns & cities & people should use the buses as much as possible or get beat w/ a hammer
8. clotheslines
9. legalize marijuana straight across the board
10. growing hemp
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
It is against the law to drive like that. I'm not a truck driver, but my dad was long ago. He would tell me stories how driver's would keep 2 log books. One for the law when they were stopped and one for their employer. Are u aware of this practice Chadwick?
It's really why there are so many Americans looking for a pill to cure that stress problem, anxiety problem, depression problem. Because there's no time to recharge.
Pandora, I don't get your comment about those fathers who've passed were not hardworking nor good examples. If you've clarified or corrected this subsequent to your post up there, then my apologies.