minimum wage (part II)
chadwick
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breathe deep. bite our lips instead of each other? do not attack one another. interesting.
i don't know where we need to be with a minimum wage but i know we all deserve to eat & clothes ourselves & be fully capable of paying our rent & bills. wait... paying rent isn't a house payment/mortgage so those who rent must be second class citizens, yes/no? do those slobs use clotheslines?
if you can't afford to pay your help a decent salary maybe you should fold camp. also, if you are doing very well & your workers are struggling & they work very hard for you as you rest your ass in a leather office chair as you press computer keys you sir/miss should be thrown into the amazon river bleeding to drawn in flesh eating little ass fish & those fish that go you know where
some people don't have all the choices & chances others have. because a grown ass man works at a coffee & donut shop does not make him a clown. because a grown woman operates a cash register does not make her stupid & lazy for taking your money at the grocery store. and both of these ppl deserve to eat & pay their bills & be treated w/ respect & not laughed at behind their backs
i don't know where we need to be with a minimum wage but i know we all deserve to eat & clothes ourselves & be fully capable of paying our rent & bills. wait... paying rent isn't a house payment/mortgage so those who rent must be second class citizens, yes/no? do those slobs use clotheslines?
if you can't afford to pay your help a decent salary maybe you should fold camp. also, if you are doing very well & your workers are struggling & they work very hard for you as you rest your ass in a leather office chair as you press computer keys you sir/miss should be thrown into the amazon river bleeding to drawn in flesh eating little ass fish & those fish that go you know where
some people don't have all the choices & chances others have. because a grown ass man works at a coffee & donut shop does not make him a clown. because a grown woman operates a cash register does not make her stupid & lazy for taking your money at the grocery store. and both of these ppl deserve to eat & pay their bills & be treated w/ respect & not laughed at behind their backs
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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I agree with your sentiment. All people deserve to be treated with dignity. That includes someone who starts a business. They are vilified on her like they are the Monopoly guy.
I am not asking people to feel sorry for them, but the idea that permeates much of these discussions is that the business owner does not want to help their employees. While this is sometimes the case, often small business owners are the same ones who donate time, energy, and money into their own communities to help those who they cannot or do not employ.
Lets take it back off the edge of sanity and think about this kind of cost jump for a small business. if I pay my employees 9.50 an hour, which is more than minimum wage, suddenly I am a deadbeat terrible businessman because I am forced to pay an extra 1.35 PER HOUR and that might hurt the bottom-line? Very often a business that is started or even purchased is done so at great risk to the owner, and most don't work out for one reason or another. They aren't bailed out and they are the true drivers of our economy, and yet when they fight a proposal like this they suddenly hate the poor and exploit their workers?
I am not talking in terms of a libertarian Utopia, I am talking in real measurable negatives that are associated with this kind of increase in wages for many businesses. Cost of Living is an interesting thing. I firmly believe that if the federal gov't and the treasury dept specifically cared more about inflation and controlling it we wouldn't have to see such a dramatic increase in the minimum wage proposed. It is a delicate balance...I hate the idea of using the butterfly effect as an example, but that is how gov't policies really work. The unforeseen negatives can and usually are disastrous for someone. The city engineers put it best to my mom about unreal flooding on the street in front of her driveway "if I fix it for you it will become someone else's problem"...or you fix it right and we all benefit...wish it was that easy.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Except how do you define which jobs people should be able to live on and which jobs shouldn't? Should someone who has a paper route be able to support themselves how about someone who works the drive-thru at Mcdonalds? One of the problem with making wages for entry level jobs too high is that you totally screw over young people or people with no work experience trying to break into the work force.
Innovation and creative thinking are key when operating a business. If a business owner is blindsided with having to pay increase the pay of their minimum waged employees, it is up to them to get creative on how to make things work. That's business. Whether increasing prices, decreasing inventory, cutting hours, whatever. But a good business owner NEVER treats their employees like dirt, they never think only of themselves and their profits, they know that their job is to support their employees and if they don't like a minimum wage increase? (and they probably don't), Then either get creative with strategies of making things work or sell the business.
And I did NOT start the other thread because I'm looking for a job. Only someone who doesn't frequent AMT would think that there was a motive behind posting the recent crap going on in Washington (especially republicans). I do that all the time.
Mom and Pop stores are in business not only for income but because they like their customers. Customers get a lot of personal treatment at these small stores and many of these treat customers like family. Sure, having to pay more to their employees because of an increase in minimum wage may be unsettling, but the small business owners I know wouldn't even think of treating their employees any less that what they're worth. They sacrifice to make ends meet. They do what they can, even if it means raising prices. But one they won't do is treat their employees like crap. They're not just a number, they're real people that matter. They're like family.
if you are working @ $10 an hour you should be doing your best to work 60 hrs a week or more. i truly believe in overtime. if you cannot get paid overtime i suggest finding a gig that pays overtime & allows you to work as much as you wish.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Ok, however I don't believe in forced overtime. No one should have to work 60 hours a week unless they choose to.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
i've talked to ppl who worked there who lived in a camper in the parking lot so they wouldn't be late.
i bet boeing janitors make $40,000 - $50,000 or more annually.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Why did you assume small business owners wouldn't want to pay their employees
what they are worth?
Why did you assume small business owners then are heartless out for profit?
So if the ones you know wouldn't do this who are you speaking of?
Why did you assume all that mattered to us personally JB and I was our business
not the people we employ?
IL is not affected out right by minimum wage because we are a skilled labor business.
There are many other small businesses who can not afford to raise wages that much without
being hurt financially which hurts their employees and their communities.
what do you guys think about this article? I really would like small business owners opinions.
I'm doing 72 right now. I do have a choice though, I could quit.
Or if min wage is going to skyrocket then end welfare, all of it, corporate included.
Is this the issue here? I don't think the problem is companies that pay well. We have a Boeing plant here in Charleston. It's a great job to have. The problem are the companies that don't pay well and the government forcing PRIVATE companies what they have to pay in wages. There are other things the government can be doing to stimulate the economy.
1) how about balancing the budget?
2) maybe stop ridiculously and needlessly spending the taxes that most of us pay?
3) eliminating the fed?
4) stop the tax breaks for large corporation
5) maybe not making religions tax exempt?
Just a few ideas.
A workaholic who is damn tired now.
Agree! When would have time for your family or even for yourself working 72 hrs a week. That shit blows. And to think after working those 72 hrs you clear what, $450-$500 after taxes at $10/hr 72 hr/week. That's garbage
I think I wish we could invent something to revolutionize our industry ...
has anybody seen this?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013 ... k/1973753/ 3D printing what a gas
What I got out of my Father's time ... that article is
there were hard workers behind each invention each discovery.
My Father an incredible hard worker earning every penny.
I know money corrupts, greed changes priorities. I know even those who think never them
they might be surprised. I don't hate corporations like some people do. I understand.
Some hate the fact corporations make record profits. I don't.
Things got fat with wages and benefits, we ourselves have scaled back,
all our employees had their own gas cards at one time, unlimited gas reported on a 1099.
Wish I had that money back.
I mean what were we thinking? unnecessary generosity.
We as small business owners have always been generous, might be part of the problem.
I don't really understand what you are trying to say here. I don't think anyone complains about corporation making record profit. I just think people complain when corporation make record profit by killing off the workers.
http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2012/ted_20120306.htm
as a manager, i would not let my worker work that many hours as in the long run it actually hurts productivity.
A good work/life balance makes a more productive employee. A 'proud' workaholic does not impress me either. Sadly, with low rates of pay, some people do not have the choice. Kills you in the end... No self-respecting employer would allow his employees to work so many hours to the detriment of their health, their performance and, eventually, the employer itself.
yes they spend ridiculously. tax breaks for large corps is bullshit as is religious tax exemptions. eliminating the fed?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I hope this takes you to an easier place soon.
The chart didn't come over but it is a good one.
Characteristics of minimum wage workers in 2011
MARCH 06, 2012
In 2011, 73.9 million American workers age 16 and over were paid hourly rates, representing 59.1 percent of all wage and salary workers. Of that number, 1.7 million earned exactly the prevailing Federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour and 2.2 million had wages below the minimum. Together, these workers made up 5.2 percent of all hourly paid workers.
Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly paid workers, they made up about half of those paid the Federal minimum wage or less. Among employed teenagers paid by the hour, about 23 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 3 percent of workers aged 25 and over.
About 6 percent of women paid hourly rates had wages at or below the prevailing Federal minimum, compared with about 4 percent of men. About 5 percent of White hourly paid workers earned the Federal minimum wage or less, compared with about 6 percent of Blacks and about 3 percent of Asians.
Among hourly paid workers age 16 and over, about 11 percent of those who had less than a high school diploma earned the Federal minimum wage or less, compared with about 5 percent of those who had a high school diploma (with no college) and about 2 percent of college graduates. Among hourly paid workers of Hispanic origin, 5 percent earned the minimum wage or less.
Never-married workers, who tend to be young, were more likely than married workers to earn the Federal minimum wage or less (about 9 percent versus about 2 percent).
Part-time workers (persons who usually work fewer than 35 hours per week) were more likely than full-time workers to be paid the Federal minimum wage or less (about 13 percent versus about 2 percent).
The proportion of hourly paid workers earning the prevailing Federal minimum wage or less declined from 6.0 percent in 2010 to 5.2 percent in 2011. This remains well below the figure of 13.4 percent in 1979, when data were first collected on a regular basis.
These data on minimum wage earners are derived from the Current Population Survey, a monthly nationwide sample survey of households. Data in this summary are 2011 annual averages.The presence of a sizable number of workers with wages below the Federal minimum does not necessarily indicate violations of the Fair Labor Standards Act, as there are exemptions to the minimum wage provisions of the law.
Oh.. forgot... I earn a decent salary, have decent benefits, a nice pension pot, etc....
even small business.
It's not really that bad, although being away from home wears on me. But it's my career, and its the nature of the beast.
When you look back in life you'll know you did your best, met the challenge, and earned
everything you got. What a great role model you are. People like you give me hope and faith.
There's no place like home...
hoping the time goes quickly till you are safely there.