Lance Armstrong doping ?

also ... all his peers at the time doped ... ullrich, kloeden, etc ... so, when he starts talking about how he won those tours and that he was the strongest ... it's true ... he was ... his main competitors doped so, it's sort of like ben johnson era ... everyone doped so he doped so he was the strongest when the majority doped ...

but the reality is he did dope ... he isn't fighting this because he was for sure going to lose ... the usda case was pretty much rock solid ... and the evidence that would have been published publicly would be pretty brutal to him ... so, he's not gonna fight it ...

edit: it should also be pointed out that the usda charged other people too involved with the case ... and 3 of them have accepted their lifetime bans ...

Dopestrong!

musicismylife78 wrote:

So what exactly does this mean? Has he admitted it? The way it is now, or was until today, its sort of been this limbo land, of him maintaining innocense and rightly pointing out all the evidence against him was non evidence and that he's never been caught or tested positive for anything. And he;s been dogged by these rumors and people going after him, whether you believe he is innocent or guilty, he's been chased and hounded to an extent few people on this issue ever have.

So im unclear at this point if todays development is a result of him giving up the fight so to speak, and not admitting guilt and maintaining innocence, and feels like he will be hounded and accused until he dies, or if he's admitted he has used and doped?

Anyone clear this up?

it basically comes down to this ...

the evidence that the usada had against him was pretty much going to nail him ... so, instead of fighting it, have the evidence made public (which it still may if bruyneel goes to arbitration) - he's taken the path that is best suited for lance ...

he has indeed tested positive for drugs ... don't let that rhetoric fool you - the UCI never tested for EPO and when WADA came in and retested - his samples were positive ... the problem is that the UCI was protecting lance from the get go ... so, they used their authority in the sport to prevent that positive test from mattering ... the solution to EPO testing was blood doping ... the UCI has been shown to have showed up at lance's trailer for a blood test and been told to wait 2 hrs ... that's absurd but they waited ... like everything else - there is big money in cycling and when your biggest star is a cheat - it's bad business ...

for those who weren't following ... all the doping scandals were never uncovered by the UCI but external bodies ...

if you look at all the guys that rode for us postal at the time ... guys like vaughters, hincapie, hamilton, landis, etc ... all admitted to doping and they were all his teammates ...

Jason P wrote:

Hmmm ... a source that is profiting off of the alleged scandal.

Is this similar to getting scientific climate change data from globalwarminghoax.com?

the only thing similar between this and global warming is that the truth lies (no pun intended) in one's ability to think critically ...

all his teammates doped ... all his rivals doped ... he has failed drug tests ... but feel free to believe in this fraud ...

Jason P wrote:

Well if what you say is true, he won those titles on a level playing field. :ugeek:

Greatest cyclist of all time!

yes and no ...

yes - his main competitors doped ... that was the culture ... but there were cyclists that didn't ... a lot actually ... hard to say where they would have ended up if the playing field was indeed level ...

i would never take away what lance did as a cyclist - all things being equal, he probably would have won multiple tdf's ... and i would never take away his fortitude ... but at the end of the day ... he's a liar and a fraud ... which in my world is far more important than what he accomplished as a cyclist ...

lukin2006 wrote:

Today I turn the page. I will no longer address this issue, regardless of the circumstances. I will commit myself to the work I began before ever winning a single Tour de France title: serving people and families affected by cancer, especially those in underserved communities. This October, my Foundation will celebrate 15 years of service to cancer survivors and the milestone of raising nearly $500 million. We have a lot of work to do and I'm looking forward to an end to this pointless distraction. I have a responsibility to all those who have stepped forward to devote their time and energy to the cancer cause. I will not stop fighting for that mission. Going forward, I am going to devote myself to raising my five beautiful (and energetic) kids, fighting cancer, and attempting to be the fittest 40-year-old on the planet."

This is the part of his little BULLSHIT statement that really gets on my nerves..
Why do people, once they are BUSTED for whatever it is they did wrong, instead of admitting guilt, ALWAYS have to play the sympathy card...

Oh look at my charity!!!
Oh look at my children!!!
Oh feel bad for me and my dead relatives!!!!
Oh I am such a wonderful human being!!!!!


BULLSHIT LANCE!!!!

You are a lying, cheating PRICK!

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

This is the part of his little BULLSHIT statement that really gets on my nerves..
Why do people, once they are BUSTED for whatever it is they did wrong, instead of admitting guilt, ALWAYS have to play the sympathy card...

Oh look at my charity!!!
Oh look at my children!!!
Oh feel bad for me and my dead relatives!!!!
Oh I am such a wonderful human being!!!!!


BULLSHIT LANCE!!!!

You are a lying, cheating PRICK!

exactly ... that is what nike is doing too ... continuously pointing out his charity work ... which was proven to be not exactly as it seems ...

polaris_x wrote:

eddiec wrote:

A lot of that was do to the fact he had the best team in cycling. As much as it is an individual sport you cannot win the Tour without a great team. You stick Lance on a low budget team during those years and he wouldn't have won.

He was well protected all those years and had the guys around him to pull him through the mountains when he was struggling. Unless he was at the lead of a mountain stage he was never alone.

you do need a great team ... definitely ... but if you follow cycling - you will know that everyone has bad days ... it's just natural for the body not to perform to the max every day especially in 3 week grand tours ... and you do realize that a lot of the riders on his great teams have admitted to doping right?

and he never struggled in the mountains ... that's my point ... point me to one stage in any of his seven tdf titles where his main rival attacked and he couldn't follow ...

But if everyone has bad days, yet everyone seems to have been doping..as we know some of his teamates were..then what? Was Lance just a better doper than they were. His method of doping didn't allow for bad days while other guys that were doping still had those 'bad' days?

eddiec wrote:

But if everyone has bad days, yet everyone seems to have been doping..as we know some of his teamates were..then what? Was Lance just a better doper than they were. His method of doping didn't allow for bad days while other guys that were doping still had those 'bad' days?

like i said in a previous post ... if the field was level - lance would have likely won multiple tdfs... hard to say cuz he competed at a time when many of his main rivals doped ... lance's teammates had jobs to do ... if you are a domestique - you often work harder than your team captain ... so, they did their jobs (aided by drugs) and that was that ... what's your point here?

Jason P wrote:

Ha! So winning a bike race is more sacred then helping people?

Someone get Bill Gates on the phone ... priorities need to be reset. We need to get him on a Huffy ASAP.

where did i say that?

and you need to actually understand what his foundation really spent a lot of money on ... yes, they helped people but they also spent a lot of money doing other things ...

name me any person who has been disgraced ... joe paterno right on down and you can say that they did some good work and charity ... that should take precedence over the fact he built an empire on a lie and being a fraud?