Penn State Sanctions

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  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    They are taking away future scholarships correct? No one on the current team is going to lose one? I know they can transfer without penalty.
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  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    norm wrote:
    Strange trivia of the day...taking into account the vacated wins, the last quarterback to win for psu ...

    Mike McQuery

    Tom Bradley's win last year as the interim coach still counts so whoever quarterbacked that game is the answered to your trivia question

    Not sure about that the NCAA stated all wins from 98-11
  • LloydXmas
    LloydXmas Posts: 7,539
    Big Ten Bans Penn State from Conference championship for 4 years.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    norm wrote:
    Strange trivia of the day...taking into account the vacated wins, the last quarterback to win for psu ...

    Mike McQuery

    Tom Bradley's win last year as the interim coach still counts so whoever quarterbacked that game is the answered to your trivia question

    Not sure about that the NCAA stated all wins from 98-11

    I guess it doesn't really matter either way.
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  • cowboypjfan
    cowboypjfan Posts: 2,453
    Taking away the wins and future bowl games/big ten championship only hurts the players. I would've liked to see a fine over $100 million going to child abuse org's and the victims. I just don't see why the players get punished because their leaders/coaches snowballed them.
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    I don't get vacating the wins. Again, this situation provided no on field benefit. I say let the wins stand as they are.

    Yes, it did. You don't think that the program would have been effected if they did the right thing right away? You don't think it's possible 1 recruit didn't go once Sandusky was exposed in 1998? Then, snow ball it from there.

    This is the least important part of the punishment, but bravo to the NCAA on the entire thing (especially where the money is going). Finally did something right.

    The kids (that stay) still get to play this fall. So, I also don't see how they are negatively effected either. Isn't being in school on scholarship and getting to play some games what they are there for in the first place? What? they might lose? That's an issue? I don't see how anyone can have a problem with this.



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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    Big 10 sending PSU's bowl revenue to charities.

    I'd like to know what kind of oversight is going to take place with all this cash going to child abuse charities. I'm glad that's what's happening, just think there needs to be some strict auditing going on.
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  • PJFAN13
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    I feel so bad for the victims - Sandusky needs to die - period.
    The "adults" who allowed this to happen as to protect the program should go to prison - can't hold the football program ahead of human decency. The "leaders" covered this up and they need to pay dearly.
    I agree with most all of the this punishment - vacate the wins (direct shot @ Paterno), take the bowl bans for years, the $60 mill to the endowment of victims of sexual abuse is brilliant.
    The loss of scholarships over 4 years down 25 to 15 per year makes this a walking death sentence, plain and simple - no way the football program is relevant EVER again.
    No bowls, no TV, no revenue, 40 less scholarships - Coach Bill O'Brien has no chance. Crippled football program, at least for a decade. How do these current players deal with this?
    Let's not forget the pending civil suits that will take 10's (if not hundreds) of millions from Penn State.
    wow.
    11.30.93~10.2.96~9.13.98~9.1.00~8.25.00~7.3.03~7.5.03
    7.9.03~9.28.04~10.1.05~5.12.06~5.13.06~5.27.06~5.28.06
    8.5.08(EV)~10.9.09~5.21.10~6.20.11(EV)~7.5.11(EV)~7.9.11(EV)
    11.21.13~8.27.16(EV)~11.14.16(TOTD)~4.13.20~9.27.20~9.26.21~10.2.21
    2.15.22 (EV)~2.25.22 (EV)~2.27.22 (EV)~5.3.22~5.7.22~9.17.24~9.29.24
  • PJFAN13
    PJFAN13 Posts: 1,422
    The last official win by Penn State would now be late 1997 - starting QB of that squad:
    Mike McQueary (the same coach who watched Sandusky rape a child)
    :shock:
    11.30.93~10.2.96~9.13.98~9.1.00~8.25.00~7.3.03~7.5.03
    7.9.03~9.28.04~10.1.05~5.12.06~5.13.06~5.27.06~5.28.06
    8.5.08(EV)~10.9.09~5.21.10~6.20.11(EV)~7.5.11(EV)~7.9.11(EV)
    11.21.13~8.27.16(EV)~11.14.16(TOTD)~4.13.20~9.27.20~9.26.21~10.2.21
    2.15.22 (EV)~2.25.22 (EV)~2.27.22 (EV)~5.3.22~5.7.22~9.17.24~9.29.24
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    60 million dollar fine
    4 year bowl ban
    Loss of 10 scholarships per year for 4 years
    All wins vacated from 1998 to 2011 which removes 112 wins from Paternos record which now places him 12th all time with 298 wins.

    Holy crap are you serious, this is what they got handed down to them. WOW! Rightfully so, I mean I'm no Penn State football fan but they apparently were covering up or hiding was hideous. I have to check out the news to get the rest of these sanctions.

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  • cowboypjfan
    cowboypjfan Posts: 2,453
    Message from PSU president:

    Statement Regarding NCAA Consent Decree
    July 23, 2012

    The tragedy of child sexual abuse that occurred at our University altered the lives of innocent children. Today, as every day, our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the victims of Mr. Sandusky and all other victims of child abuse.

    Against this backdrop, Penn State accepts the penalties and corrective actions announced today by the NCAA www.ncaa.com. With today's announcement and the action it requires of us, the University takes a significant step forward.

    The NCAA ruling holds the University accountable for the failure of those in power to protect children and insists that all areas of the University community are held to the same high standards of honesty and integrity.

    The NCAA also mandates that Penn State become a national leader to help victims of child sexual assault and to promote awareness across our nation. Specifically, the University will pay $12 million a year for the next five years into a special endowment created to fund programs for the detection, prevention and treatment of child abuse. This total of $60 million can never reduce the pain suffered by victims, but will help provide them hope and healing.

    The NCAA penalty will also affect the football program. There is a four-year ban on all post-season games, including bowl games and the Big Ten Championship game, and a future reduction in the number of football scholarships that can be granted. We are grateful that the current student athletes are not prevented from participation because of the failures of leadership that occurred. Additionally the NCAA has vacated all wins of Penn State football from 1998-2011.

    We also welcome the Athletics Integrity Agreement and the third-party monitor, who will be drilling into compliance and culture issues in intercollegiate athletics, in conjunction with the recommendations of the Freeh Report. Lastly a probationary period of five years will be imposed.

    It is important to know we are entering a new chapter at Penn State and making necessary changes. We must create a culture in which people are not afraid to speak up, management is not compartmentalized, all are expected to demonstrate the highest ethical standards, and the operating philosophy is open, collegial, and collaborative.

    Since receiving Judge Freeh's preliminary recommendations in January, the University has instituted several reforms. Today we accept the terms of the consent decree imposed by the NCAA. As Penn State embarks upon change and progress, this announcement helps to further define our course. It is with this compass that we will strive for a better tomorrow.

    Penn State will move forward with a renewed sense of commitment to excellence and integrity in all aspects of our University. We continue to recognize the important role that intercollegiate athletics provides for our student athletes and the wider University community as we strive to appropriately balance academic and athletic accomplishments. Penn State will continue to be a world-class educational institution of which our students, faculty, staff and alumni can be justifiably proud.

    President Rodney Erickson
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    I think they did a great job with the rulings.

    Although we can't go back in time and change what happened to those kids, I think negating the wins allows us to go back in time and take away the good things that they did not deserve.

    And I'm a Penn State grad.

    A PSU guy who gets it. :thumbup: Sadly you guys are far and few between. Everyone is an apologist for Paterno or blaming someone else or playing the "well this guy did this and that guy did that and they only did this to this school and that to that school and blah blah..."

    My mother-in-law is one of the Paterno apologists. I want to ask her "well what would you think if this happened to your grandchildren?"
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    i wonder if these fucking assholes had the same reaction when they heard about what sandusky did? i'm gonna assume no

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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    norm wrote:
    i wonder if these fucking assholes had the same reaction when they heard about what sandusky did? i'm gonna assume no

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/pla ... 9935889001

    Some of the reactions were absurd, and some were just despondent and trying to figure out how all this happened, which is understandable.

    Most of them clearly just don't get it, unfortunately.
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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    seems actually like a pretty good punishment. that said, its still unbelievably gross what occured and the coverup that happened.

    I would have liked to have seen them being forced to donate money to some fund to repay victims or having to donate money to an organization that assists victims of abuse in general.

    Its certainly stunning to see. People seemed to think of Penn State and Paterno as God like prior to all this. Now they are just another football team. And with the wins being taken away, its like they pretty much never were that legendary team people seem to think they were. They essentially didnt exist.


    I think it just goes to show, things are more important than winning some football game. And those who were blind to what was going on, or didnt want to believe it, or clung to some belief in the football program were naive at best.

    Penn state is just another school now. Albeit one with a gross and disturbing past, with higher ups who refused to act all because they believe the image of the school and the football team and staff actually mean something.
  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    Statement from The Paterno family regarding the NCAA sanctions levied today

    Sexual abuse is reprehensible, especially when it involves children, and no one starting with Joe Paterno condones or minimizes it. The horrific acts committed by Jerry Sandusky shock the conscience of every decent human being. How Sandusky was able to get away with his crimes for so long has yet to be fully understood, despite the claims and assertions of the Freeh report.

    The release of the Freeh report has triggered an avalanche of vitriol, condemnation and posthumous punishment on Joe Paterno. The NCAA has now become the latest party to accept the report as the final word on the Sandusky scandal. The sanctions announced by the NCAA today defame the legacy and contributions of a great coach and educator without any input from our family or those who knew him best.

    That the President, the Athletic Director and the Board of Trustees accepted this unprecedented action by the NCAA without requiring a full due process hearing before the Committee on Infractions is an abdication of their responsibilities and a breach of their fiduciary duties to the University and the 500,000 alumni. Punishing past, present and future students of the University because of Sandusky’s crimes does not serve justice. This is not a fair or thoughtful action; it is a panicked response to the public's understandable revulsion at what Sandusky did.

    The point of due process is to protect against this sort of reflexive action. Joe Paterno was never interviewed by the University or the Freeh Group. His counsel has not been able to interview key witnesses as they are represented by counsel related to ongoing litigation. We have had no access to the records reviewed by the Freeh group. The NCAA never contacted our family or our legal counsel. And the fact that several parties have pending trials that could produce evidence and testimony relevant to this matter has been totally discounted.

    Unfortunately all of these facts have been ignored by the NCAA, the Freeh Group and the University.

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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    norm wrote:
    i wonder if these fucking assholes had the same reaction when they heard about what sandusky did? i'm gonna assume no

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/pla ... 9935889001


    i certainly agree its gross. But it really isnt shocking. Were you on this board last year when it happened? You had a ton of people on here saying "oh paterno didnt know", or "paterno is a great guy, he just messed up once", or that Penn state was this shining beacon of football greatness. Essentially people tried to suggest on here, and elsewhere when it happened, that football was more important than literally anything else, including the feelings of victims. That idea can also be deduced when looking at the actions of everyone involved in this mess. The college president acted the same way, believing that paterno and this school were above the law and because they were seen as some legendary program that the rules didnt apply to them.

    People were making excuses and saying noone knew or that sandusky acted alone without the aid of anyone else.

    I think being a fan of a sports team is fine. But I think this shows the extreme it can be taken to. Paterno was seen as some god to people, who could do no wrong, and even when the abuse was announced and the coverup was announced, people still refused to come out and say what this meant.

    This board was filled with people who refused to admit and believe Penn State or Paterno capable of all this.

    Its disturbing and sad the reaction, but doesnt surprise me
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    I was puzzled by paternos actions last year, and im still puzzled now. He obviously knew abuse was going on. He was told this. WHy he clammed up and went about his life and career which involved seeing and interacting with Sandusky, is one of the most bizaare things Ive ever heard.

    I dont know how you can hear that about someone, that they abuse children and then go about your daily life and not do something about it. Not tell anyone, not say something to Sandusky in the hallway.

    Even further, Paterno didnt even try to figure out if it was true or not. When Mcqueary told Paterno, I assume Paterno was confused and angry, wondering if this was actually true. Its a mind boggling question why Paterno didnt have the intellectual curiouristy to say nothing of moral and ethical thought processes, to ascertain via the school, or sandusky himself, whether this was true or not.

    Essentially paterno seems to have heard from Mcqueary about the abuse, and then not uttered a word about it, or spoke a single word to anyone about it the rest of his life.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,580
    About time NCAA stepped up and really took the bull by the horns , even taking away the wins is just ....

    All of it taking down the statue was also the correct step they needed to start the clensing process wich will take a very very long time to do ....
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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    Statement from The Paterno family regarding the NCAA sanctions levied today

    Sexual abuse is reprehensible, especially when it involves children, and no one starting with Joe Paterno condones or minimizes it. The horrific acts committed by Jerry Sandusky shock the conscience of every decent human being. How Sandusky was able to get away with his crimes for so long has yet to be fully understood, despite the claims and assertions of the Freeh report.

    The release of the Freeh report has triggered an avalanche of vitriol, condemnation and posthumous punishment on Joe Paterno. The NCAA has now become the latest party to accept the report as the final word on the Sandusky scandal. The sanctions announced by the NCAA today defame the legacy and contributions of a great coach and educator without any input from our family or those who knew him best.

    That the President, the Athletic Director and the Board of Trustees accepted this unprecedented action by the NCAA without requiring a full due process hearing before the Committee on Infractions is an abdication of their responsibilities and a breach of their fiduciary duties to the University and the 500,000 alumni. Punishing past, present and future students of the University because of Sandusky’s crimes does not serve justice. This is not a fair or thoughtful action; it is a panicked response to the public's understandable revulsion at what Sandusky did.

    The point of due process is to protect against this sort of reflexive action. Joe Paterno was never interviewed by the University or the Freeh Group. His counsel has not been able to interview key witnesses as they are represented by counsel related to ongoing litigation. We have had no access to the records reviewed by the Freeh group. The NCAA never contacted our family or our legal counsel. And the fact that several parties have pending trials that could produce evidence and testimony relevant to this matter has been totally discounted.

    Unfortunately all of these facts have been ignored by the NCAA, the Freeh Group and the University.

    Read more: http://www.wgal.com/news/susquehanna-va ... z21T9meXqw

    Paterno family will also be helping OJ find the "real" killer. :roll:
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