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  • Monster Rain
    Monster Rain Posts: 1,415
    81 wrote:
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    I GOT IT!!!

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    Save it for the hotel, fellas!
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,635
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Dammit. Tough loss


    I don't see it as a tough loss. I see it as the Yankees inability to take control of a game at this point. They should have had the Angles buried in the top of the 1st...couldn't do it...and then surrender the lead in the bottom of 1st. Way too many holes in this team. Talent may make them a winner for the regular season but I wouldn't bet a nickle on them in the post season with the way they are playing and their roster at this point. :fp:

    Hughes blows. 1 step forward, 2 steps back.

    No one would have thought the Cards would win last year. Yesterday should have been a win. If Nova can keep the ball down, they have 4 good pitchers.

    I don't get how 4 good starts in a row. Followed by 1 bad is 1 step forward and 2 steps back? He was better as the game went went along.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    I don't know, man. I know you like Hughes and I want him to do well but a 6 ERA at this point in his career is just unacceptable. He's just so god damn frustrating.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Hughes should be in the pen until he figures out that he doesn't need to strike everyone out. Paging Andy Pettitte.
  • Ayedavanita
    Ayedavanita Posts: 1,443
    DS1119 wrote:
    Hughes should be in the pen until he figures out that he doesn't need to strike everyone out. Paging Andy Pettitte.

    Heeeheeehee! :D
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,635
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I don't know, man. I know you like Hughes and I want him to do well but a 6 ERA at this point in his career is just unacceptable. He's just so god damn frustrating.

    The thing is he needs innings. Injuries and bullpen time set him back. We really won't know how good he can be until he has 2 full years consecutive. Work on his secondary pitches. In the past 3 years he's thrown just 400ip. Compare that to Nova who's thrown over 500ip. Cliff Lee was 27 when he started to pitch better. I think so was Greinke. Unfortunately he's on a team where 1 bad start after a month of good starts is panic time. Just like the end of last season where he had 8 good starts, 7 quality out of 11. But the focus were on the 3. Also when your starts come in short spurts instead having full years. Bad starts are magnified.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,635
    DS1119 wrote:
    Hughes should be in the pen until he figures out that he doesn't need to strike everyone out. Paging Andy Pettitte.

    If he's in the pen that's all he'll have to do. Most pitchers when they are young think they need to strike people out.
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    igotid88 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Hughes should be in the pen until he figures out that he doesn't need to strike everyone out. Paging Andy Pettitte.

    If he's in the pen that's all he'll have to do. Most pitchers when they are young think they need to strike people out.



    And that's his mindset so I say put him in the pen where he can flourish and really help the team, especially a team that's lacking RIvera and Robertson right now. Some guys are not made to be starters and can flourish as relievers. Just refer to Mo.

    Look at Mo's WHIP and ERA once he was converted full time to the pen. Not to mention his K to walk ratio. Not saying Hughes will be the next Rivera but with his mindset he'd be best in the pen for this team.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ma01.shtml
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,635
    DS1119 wrote:
    igotid88 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Hughes should be in the pen until he figures out that he doesn't need to strike everyone out. Paging Andy Pettitte.

    If he's in the pen that's all he'll have to do. Most pitchers when they are young think they need to strike people out.



    And that's his mindset so I say put him in the pen where he can flourish and really help the team, especially a team that's lacking RIvera and Robertson right now. Some guys are not made to be starters and can flourish as relievers. Just refer to Mo.

    Look at Mo's WHIP and ERA once he was converted full time to the pen. Not to mention his K to walk ratio. Not saying Hughes will be the next Rivera but with his mindset he'd be best in the pen for this team.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ma01.shtml

    Who's to say Rivera wouldn't have been a good starter. He wasn't given much of a chance to succeed there. And it wasn't until he was 25 when he started to get his velocity. And we can't always put every pitcher who strikes people out in the bullpen. I just want to see a couple full seasons in a row so he can command those offspeed pitches. He's probably 200ip behind where most pitchers his age are at this point.
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    igotid88 wrote:
    Who's to say Rivera wouldn't have been a good starter. He wasn't given much of a chance to succeed there. And it wasn't until he was 25 when he started to get his velocity. And we can't always put every pitcher who strikes people out in the bullpen. I just want to see a couple full seasons in a row so he can command those offspeed pitches. He's probably 200ip behind where most pitchers his age are at this point.


    Well RIvera wasn't a good starter and I truly believe that Hughes should be groomed as a reliever. He's not a "kid" anymore. He's 26 and a fastball pitcher. His strengths need to be utilized before they are wasted. He's a perfect 7 and 8th inning guy if not a future closer type guy IMHO. Hughes/RObertson....Robertson/Hughes could be a very nice combination for the next 10 years. All the meanwhile while Joe continues this Hughes experiment he's throwing away games.
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,635
    DS1119 wrote:
    igotid88 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Hughes should be in the pen until he figures out that he doesn't need to strike everyone out. Paging Andy Pettitte.

    If he's in the pen that's all he'll have to do. Most pitchers when they are young think they need to strike people out.



    And that's his mindset so I say put him in the pen where he can flourish and really help the team, especially a team that's lacking RIvera and Robertson right now. Some guys are not made to be starters and can flourish as relievers. Just refer to Mo.

    Look at Mo's WHIP and ERA once he was converted full time to the pen. Not to mention his K to walk ratio. Not saying Hughes will be the next Rivera but with his mindset he'd be best in the pen for this team.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ma01.shtml

    Hughes whip and K to walk ratio are still good. I think the era can be misleading.( collisions in the outfield or if you're taken out for a reliever who allows your runner to score).

    I also don't like when the detractors take his first full year as a starter and say he can't be a starter because he had a bad second half. Not taking into account he pitched an extra 70ip when it's usually increased by maybe 30 each year. Also the second half wasn't as bad. He had good starts in there as well.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,635
    DS1119 wrote:
    igotid88 wrote:
    Who's to say Rivera wouldn't have been a good starter. He wasn'tn given much of a chance to succeed there. And it wasn't until he was 25 when he started to get his velocity. And we can't always put every pitcher who strikes people out in the bullpen. I just want to see a couple full seasons in a row so he can command those offspeed pitches. He's probably 200ip behind where most pitchers his age are at this point.


    Well RIvera wasn't a good starter and I truly believe that Hughes should be groomed as a reliever. He's not a "kid" anymore. He's 26 and a fastball pitcher. His strengths need to be utilized before they are wasted. He's a perfect 7 and 8th inning guy if not a future closer type guy IMHO. Hughes/RObertson....Robertson/Hughes could be a very nice combination for the next 10 years. All the meanwhile while Joe continues this Hughes experiment he's throwing away games.

    Rivera only had 10 starts. Hard to say he couldn't have a good starter. Fortunately for him and the Yankees he succeeded in the bullpen. And yes Hughes is not a kid. But in terms of pitching he's still learning. Injuries and bullpen set him back some. And why take away a month of good starts? He's not the only pitcher who has struggled in the beginning.
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    igotid88 wrote:
    Rivera only had 10 starts. Hard to say he couldn't have a good starter. Fortunately for him and the Yankees he succeeded in the bullpen. And yes Hughes is not a kid. But in terms of pitching he's still learning. Injuries and bullpen set him back some. And why take away a month of good starts? He's not the only pitcher who has struggled in the beginning.


    There's a reason Hughes has bounced in and out of the rotation through the years. Other than his wonderful first half of 2010 he has struggled to grab a rotation spot. He flourishes in the pen and I jjust truly believe that's where he belongs. Up until about a month ago I was drinking the Hughes Kool Aid too. This team is in no position to be grooming kids. With the money the team throws around year after year they could easily fill his 4th or 5th rotation spot with someone. He's a stud out of the pen.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    I don't have the energy to argue/discuss this much tonight but I'd put him in triple a and let him figure it out as a starter, I just don't think they can carry that ERA on the team if it stays as is. I don't like the idea of making him a reliever yet.

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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Good god
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    DS1119 wrote:
    This team is in no position to be grooming kids. With the money the team throws around year after year they could easily fill his 4th or 5th rotation spot with someone.

    I agree with this. I don't think the Yanks are in a position to let a pitcher take their lumps to the tune of an ERA of almost 6. I don't want them giving up on him as a starter and it would blow for Hughes but send him down and give him a while to work on everything and see what happens.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Gotta love boras in his field level suite behind home plate
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Gotta love boras in his field level suite behind home plate


    Was he counting some money?
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,635
    DS1119 wrote:
    igotid88 wrote:
    Rivera only had 10 starts. Hard to say he couldn't have a good starter. Fortunately for him and the Yankees he succeeded in the bullpen. And yes Hughes is not a kid. But in terms of pitching he's still learning. Injuries and bullpen set him back some. And why take away a month of good starts? He's not the only pitcher who has struggled in the beginning.


    There's a reason Hughes has bounced in and out of the rotation through the years. Other than his wonderful first half of 2010 he has struggled to grab a rotation spot. He flourishes in the pen and I jjust truly believe that's where he belongs. Up until about a month ago I was drinking the Hughes Kool Aid too. This team is in no position to be grooming kids. With the money the team throws around year after year they could easily fill his 4th or 5th rotation spot with someone. He's a stud out of the pen.

    Most of that due to injury. And who's to say he will continue to flourish in the bullpen. Like a starter you still need to locate your fastball. He usually locates his fastball well. This season he has left a few up. And he needs to get rid of the cutter. He's dominating left handers this year. Righties have been giving him problems. And t seems like every year he's learning a new pitch. He's incorporated the changeup more and it's helped. But he needs to throw it more.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,635
    Damn Swisher robbed twice
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