Trayvon Martin
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mickeyrat wrote:usamamasan1 wrote:If Zimmerman wins his case, we can all learn something for the greater good.
Don't go around beating people to a pulp like a thug if your not prepared to die for your reckless actions at the hands of your victim
In theory
911 operators advice are not authority/law. Why bring them up?0 -
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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brianlux wrote:"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:brianlux wrote:
:thumbup:
Just goes to show- even some on the right have this thing figured out for what it is. Probably even more than we know. A lot more."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
brianlux wrote:
Aren't our elected leaders awesome? :fp:Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
usamamasan1 wrote:If Zimmerman wins his case, we can all learn something for the greater good.
Don't go around beating people to a pulp like a thug if your not prepared to die for your reckless actions at the hands of your victim
In theory
Minding your own business before someone starts following you is reckless? You're aware he was unarmed, right?This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:brianlux wrote:
He constantly reminds me how far right the rest of the conservative media has gone. I can actually watch him, understand his rationale and occasionally agree with him.This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0 -
puremagic wrote:Yet the video of Zimmerman being escorted into the police station an hour after the incident shows none of the reported phyiscal injuries alleged by the family doctor's report a day later. Zimmerman, even after being released by the police, who basically supported his claim under the Stand Your Ground law, still didn't go to a hospital. He was cleared, free to go home and have his family take him to the hospital, but he didn't.
Getting a medical report from a private doctor in Florida is cheaper than a small latte as long as you buy the pills from their sponsored clinic.
Injuries
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/03/en ... -injuries/0 -
brianlux wrote:
I think this is a gun issue as I do not think people should be allowed to carry a gun on them. At home fine.0 -
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shadowcast wrote:
I hate the way these articles are written.
His scraped knuckles only present SUPERFICIAL "evidence" to support the "defense".
You would have to completely toss out \ disregard the FACT that Zimmerman states on his conversation with the police that he is "following" Trayvon, and then further ignore what sounds fairly clearly like Zimmerman "huffing and puffing" (ie. chasing, or running after) in pursuit of Trayvon.
Given the PROOF that the tapes offer of Zimmerman following Trayvon,
I don't know how you arrive at the ultimate conclusion of "self defense" for Zimmerman, while completely ignoring the fact that Zimmerman was chasing after Trayvon ... and we will never really know if he had his GUN OUT while doing so.
Question:
If someone you didn't know (someone whose physical stature was significantly greater than yours) was chasing after you down a dimly lit street at night, and they caught up to you without announcing their intentions, but you were clearly aware that they were chasing you down ... would you not turn the fuck around and punch them in the fucking face?
THIS
(what TRAYVON did)
is called
SELF DEFENSE.
???If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?0 -
Blockhead wrote:Following isn't again't the law... Nor is it grounds to attack someone.
Oh, it's not grounds to attack someone?
You don't think Trayvon would have had a case under "Stand Your Ground" if he had happened to have a gun on him?
"Yeah, this big 250lb dude was chasing me down a street for no apparent reason, and ran up behind me shouting ... it looked like his hand was in his pocket or at a holster, i couldn't tell it was dark, but i thought i saw a gun ... so i shot him."
Instead, what really happened ...
"Yeah, this big 250lb dude was chasing me down a street for no apparent reason, and ran up behind me shouting ... it looked like his hand was in his pocket or at a holster, i couldn't tell it was dark, but i thought i saw a gun ... so i PUNCHED him."
You don't think that description of events is grounds for "attacking" someone?
People who think this kid with skittles and tea actually attacked Zimmerman unprovoked are ignoring the most obvious facets of this case: Zimmerman's previously demonstrated "unstable" history, his 40-some-odd false calls to police, and the FACT that he tells 911 operators he is in pursuit of Trayvon ... all this alone should be enough to tell you what "really" happened. This idiot-avenger chased down a poor kid who was brave\scared enough to swing\fight back, then had a gun shoved in his face for it, whom you can then hear clearly screaming bloody-murder for his life on a neighbor's 911 call, and then just eerie sad silence.
Yeah.
Zimmerman was attacked "unprovoked" and he did the right thing.
He stood his ground. I mean he stood on steadily advancing ground.
I mean, .... oh fuck it ...If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?0 -
DriftingByTheStorm wrote:shadowcast wrote:
I hate the way these articles are written.
His scraped knuckles only present SUPERFICIAL "evidence" to support the "defense".
You would have to completely toss out \ disregard the FACT that Zimmerman states on his conversation with the police that he is "following" Trayvon, and then further ignore what sounds fairly clearly like Zimmerman "huffing and puffing" (ie. chasing, or running after) in pursuit of Trayvon.
Given the PROOF that the tapes offer of Zimmerman following Trayvon,
I don't know how you arrive at the ultimate conclusion of "self defense" for Zimmerman, while completely ignoring the fact that Zimmerman was chasing after Trayvon ... and we will never really know if he had his GUN OUT while doing so.
Question:
If someone you didn't know (someone whose physical stature was significantly greater than yours) was chasing after you down a dimly lit street at night, and they caught up to you without announcing their intentions, but you were clearly aware that they were chasing you down ... would you not turn the fuck around and punch them in the fucking face?
THIS
(what TRAYVON did)
is called
SELF DEFENSE.
???
http://www.examiner.com/article/george- ... martin-1600 -
For the people that are defending Zimmerman: If you could go back in time to the night Treyvon was shot dead, would you not suggest that Zimmerman's actions could've been avoided? Should he have done things differently?
Are you saying he's innocent only by law (were his actions at ALL questionable to you), or do you think what he did was right no matter what the law says?Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0 -
JonnyPistachio wrote:For the people that are defending Zimmerman: If you could go back in time to the night Treyvon was shot dead, would you not suggest that Zimmerman's actions could've been avoided? Should he have done things differently?
Are you saying he's innocent only by law (were his actions at ALL questionable to you), or do you think what he did was right no matter what the law says?
This neighborhood had a history of break ins and thefts leading up to this incident. All those who saw people breaking into houses said they were male black. Did he profile yes but that was the description given. We will see in court what the details are because none of us know what really happened. I am still up in the air on this one but I think we should not have a witch hunt. But if he was following him and backed down then martin came circled back and jumped him then he has every right to defend himself.0 -
‘Stand Your Ground’: Ladies, You Have No Ground to Stand on:
http://gawker.com/5910700/stand-your-gr ... ewcomments
Thought this might be an interesting read for some people!
Florida seems kind of fucked up... just me?With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Trayvon Martin family lawyers: Stop the leaks–release all the records in Zimmerman case
The attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents is calling for all of the documents related to the death of their son be released, rather than what he says are strategic leaks of records intended to benefit the defense of George Zimmerman, who is charged with killing Martin.
Attorney Benjamin Crump said on Wednesday he wants "full transparency" in the case, after several news outlets--including ABC, NBC and CNN -- were given access to a sealed medical examiner's report on Martin.
"It was leaked for a beneficial purpose, certainly to help George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense," Crump said. "This report needs to be vetted with a keen eye."
"You have to look at this in the full context," he continued. "George Zimmerman made the decision to get out of his car, profile Trayvon Martin, pursue Trayvon Martin and confront him."
According to NBC News, the multi-page autopsy says that Martin was "killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest," with the entrance wound "located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. The single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations." The only injuries to Martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, "a quarter-inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area."
The gunshot wound entrance was from a bullet fired from "intermediate range," or two-to-four inches, "a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling" on his body.
Earlier this week, medical records leaked to ABC News showed Zimmerman likely suffered a broken nose, black eyes and an abrasion on the back of head.
Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, said he may seek a dismissal of the second degree murder charges against his client under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law.This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0 -
well this will make the people that want the black kid shot because he was a black kid happy
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin ... 7VpoL-Ci2w0 -
hopefuly this will make the mob stop and think...maybe take off the blinders and SLOW DOWN.
The new medical reports on the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case tell us a lot. And it is not just for what they find, but also what they don’t find.
First, the reports provide striking evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight with Martin, and that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense. Martin’s injuries were two-fold: broken skin on his knuckles and the fatal gunshot wound.
Zimmerman’s injuries involved: a fractured nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury.
It takes considerable force to break the skin on multiple knuckles. The large range of injuries on Zimmerman indicates that the Martin’s attack was prolonged. But here is what is missing: where are the injuries to Zimmerman’s hands? Where are the bruises on Martin’s face or other parts of his body? The evidence paints a picture where Martin was the only person landing blows. The broken skin on Martin’s knuckles and Zimmerman’s wounds obviously provide some justification for self-defense. But if Zimmerman is to have justifiably used self-defense, he can’t have provoked Martin’s attack.
The affidavit filed by the prosecutor against Zimmerman was extremely weak and had many glaring omissions. It does not answer the most crucial question: Who attacked whom? All it states is: “Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued.” “Confronted” does not mean “provoked” or “assaulted.” It may mean that Zimmerman merely followed Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood.
Surely Zimmerman had the right to investigate a strange person in his neighborhood. But, in any case, Zimmerman simply asking Martin why he was in the neighborhood doesn’t give Martin the right to start striking him or pounding his head into the concrete sidewalk.
Simple words do not justify hitting someone.
Anyway, it appears that Zimmerman didn’t even question Martin. The 911 tape of Zimmerman reporting a strange person in the area indicates that Zimmerman didn’t even try to ask Martin a question.
When the police operator told Zimmerman “we don’t need you to do that [following Martin],” Zimmerman appears to have stopped following Martin and agreed to go to where the police would be arriving.
The medical evidence implies that Zimmerman did not physically attack Martin and thus there was no justification for Martin to start hitting Zimmerman.
With the case unraveling, it makes the prosecutor’s behavior look even more outrageous. The prosecutor wasn’t required to go to the grand jury for the indictment, but the fact that she didn’t in such a high-profile case is troubling. Everyone knows how easy it is for a prosecutor to get a grand jury to indict, because only the prosecutor presents evidence and the standard of proof is very low.
A grand-jury indictment would have provided political cover; that charges were brought without one means that the prosecutor was worried that even a grand jury would not give her the indictment.
The Obama administration has been fanning the flames, and it isn’t just President Obama’s attempt to personalize the tragedy.
News reports surfaced Tuesday that the US Justice Department was pushing hard to charge Zimmerman, who is part black himself, with a hate crime because Martin was black. Such a charge can carry a life prison term or even the death penalty.
Yet, Zimmerman and his wife mentored two black children for free.
A recent Reuters report that interviewed Zimmerman’s neighbors found that both black and Hispanics viewed Zimmerman as someone who cared deeply about his neighbors and volunteered to head the community watch to help them. The claim that Zimmerman referred to blacks as “f***ing coons” has long since been dropped.
Using this case for political purposes has already come at a real cost. In Gainesville, Florida; Oak Park, Illinois; Mobile, Alabama; Toledo, Ohio; Grand Rapids, Michigan; and possibly Norfolk, Va., blacks have attacked whites in what they think is revenge for Zimmerman attacking Martin because he was black, and those are just the cases where the perpetrators would make some comment such as “This is for Trayvon.” The media has been partially responsible for this aftermath with its sensational reporting. Recent coverage has helped to balance things out, but responsible reporting requires still more.
Bottom line: the medical reports about George Zimmerman are revealing a lot more information than the media have so far let on.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/ ... z1vAX4vn000 -
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