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lukin2006 wrote:Canada won't fight to save murderer Ronald Smith from execution in Montana
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dude ... we knew about afghan torture and didn't do anything about it ... like i said ... Harper has a disdain for our charter and our values ...0 -
hey drownedout ... what the cuss is going on in alberta!?? ... are you guys moving even further to the right!? ... :?0
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polaris_x wrote:lukin2006 wrote:Canada won't fight to save murderer Ronald Smith from execution in Montana
Read more: http://www.canada.com/news/Canada+fight ... z1rtV3ffgv
dude ... we knew about afghan torture and didn't do anything about it ... like i said ... Harper has a disdain for our charter and our values ...
What's disturbing about that case is that the way the government worded the letter probably caused more harm than good. He would have been better off with no government help. Unfortunately he likely needs a miracle now.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
lukin2006 wrote:polaris_x wrote:lukin2006 wrote:Canada won't fight to save murderer Ronald Smith from execution in Montana
Read more: http://www.canada.com/news/Canada+fight ... z1rtV3ffgv
dude ... we knew about afghan torture and didn't do anything about it ... like i said ... Harper has a disdain for our charter and our values ...
What's disturbing about that case is that the way the government worded the letter probably caused more harm than good. He would have been better off with no government help. Unfortunately he likely needs a miracle now.
And whatever happened to his partner in this crime?I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
lukin2006 wrote:And whatever happened to his partner in this crime?
see this!? ... it would be funny if it wasn't so fucking evil ...
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-p ... 36102.html
The last several Harper government controversies - or scandals if you will - seem to reveal a pattern in terms of the way the Tories handle crises.
Step 1 seems to be to denial. During this step critics are ridiculed for suggesting any wrong doing.
Step 2 is what CTV Question Period's Craig Oliver calls 'mudify.' In this step the Tories complicate the issue by claiming a misunderstanding or a difference in interpretation.
Step 3 is to find some way to make the Liberals look bad. They haven't been in power for six years, they've been relegated to third party status and they only have an interim leader but they are, and always will be, the enemy.
And finally, step 4 is hold no one to account. If you hold someone to account, after all, isn't that admitting you did something wrong?
Here is a closer look at some of the most recent scandals and how the Harper government responded:
1) F-35 debacle:
Step 1 -Deny:
Despite the auditor's general's comments suggesting otherwise, the Conservatives continue to claim they did not mislead parliament, or the public on the true cost of the F-35s.
Step 2 -'Mudify:'
Days after the report the Harper government has come up with their defence: the discrepancy between the auditor general's figures and their figures are apparently due to differing accounting methodologies.
On Tuesday, Defence Minister Peter MacKay said the Auditor-General's "new approach" means that every procurement purchase must include costs for salaries of Canadian Forces members, fuel, food, "shoelaces" and "boot leather."
Step 3 - Try to make the Liberals look bad:
Over the past year, the Conservatives have deflected criticism on the F-35 file by consistently reminding Canadians it was the Chretien Liberals who first agreed to purchase the fighter jets.
Step 4 - Hold no one to account:
No one in Harper's cabinet has been forced to resign.
2) Robocall scandal:
Step 1 -Deny:
The Conservatives have denied any wrong doing
Step 2 -'Mudify:'
Tory MP, Dean Dal Mastro has been front and centre in the 'mudify-ing' the robocall scandal.
He alleged that Conservative supporters in his riding also received misleading robocalls directing them to the wrong polling stations.
When that didn't work, the Conservatives blamed Elections Canada.
Step 3 - Try to make the Liberals look bad:
At one point, the Conservatives blamed the Liberals for being the only party to use American based robocallers.
According to CTV News, the accusation turned out to be a dud.
Step 4 - Hold no one to account:
To date, no one has taken responsibility.
3) Peter MacKay's helicopter trip:
Step 1 -Deny:
Despite documents suggesting the helicopter pick-up was only to be under the "guise" of a search-and-rescue exercise, defense minister Peter MacKay continues to insist he did nothing wrong.
Step 2 -'Mudify:'
Apparently believing in the credo the best defence is a good offense, MacKay suggested he might take legal action against any MP who accused him of lying about why he took the helicopter ride.
Step 3 - Try to make the Liberals look bad:
According to emails uncovered by the Toronto Star, just one day after revelations of MacKay's trip, Royal Canadian Air Force staff were enlisted to look through flight logs to find similar actions taken by Liberal MPs.
Step 4 - Hold no one to account:
To date, Peter MacKay is still in Stephen Harper's cabinet.0 -
That's ridiculous...I don't care what party you're from you can only blame the previous government for so long...they've been in power long enough...but their supporters buy into it hook, line and sinker... :evil: :evil:
heard a great line the other day "conservatives bitch about liberals 6 days a week and then run off worship one on Sunday".I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
Wildrose renews idea of Alberta ‘firewall’ within Canada
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/14 ... in-canada/
Whats up with this...man there is right wing and then there this
Whats all this we paid 20 billion more than we get back BS...Dalton McGuinty has said similar...how is the federal government to run if the provinces with more don't pay their fair share.
And whats wrong with the provinces that have more helping provinces that have struggled...we should all be proud that we have tried to have the same quality health care, education, etc from coast to coast to coast.
Of course I love how she targets Quebec...Quebec seems to be the easy target...and maybe they get more than the rest of us, I do not know. I really don't know if they get more than any other province.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
didn't canada just pass a mandatory minimums bill for growing cannabis? canada has a lot of growers, and it costs a lot of money to lock people up. just ask our government. we're number one in the world.if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.0
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goingtoverona wrote:didn't canada just pass a mandatory minimums bill for growing cannabis? canada has a lot of growers, and it costs a lot of money to lock people up. just ask our government. we're number one in the world.
Yes we did...it was wrapped in huge crime bill.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
goingtoverona wrote:didn't canada just pass a mandatory minimums bill for growing cannabis? canada has a lot of growers, and it costs a lot of money to lock people up. just ask our government. we're number one in the world.
it's the prisoner industrial complex ...0 -
polaris_x wrote:hey drownedout ... what the cuss is going on in alberta!?? ... are you guys moving even further to the right!? ... :?
I dunno wtf man.....
The PC's got complacent, spend-happy, and are not catering to their base enough...plus they've had two weak/non-photogenic leaders in a row......
Wildrose smelled blood, got themselves a pretty face, and the backing of big oil and Quebecor (sun) media....now we've entered a bizarro world where I'm considering voting for a PC incumbent I can't stand.
Wildrose is taking a page from the Reform playbook....they're playing on people's greed, mistrust of the east, and a policy of fiscal conservatism....while denying their social conservative agenda. Smith's past comments on social issues are downright scary. She's like an evangelical 2nd-gen tea-partier....I honestly don't know many people who agree with her on the social stuff....but with the PC's issues, and Alberta's partisan attitude of refusing to vote for any leftist party.....the Wildrose will get their majority. With Harper running the Feds and these people running our province...big oil (and business in general) is going to have a field day.0 -
Drowned Out wrote:I dunno wtf man.....
The PC's got complacent, spend-happy, and are not catering to their base enough...plus they've had two weak/non-photogenic leaders in a row......
Wildrose smelled blood, got themselves a pretty face, and the backing of big oil and Quebecor (sun) media....now we've entered a bizarro world where I'm considering voting for a PC incumbent I can't stand.
Wildrose is taking a page from the Reform playbook....they're playing on people's greed, mistrust of the east, and a policy of fiscal conservatism....while denying their social conservative agenda. Smith's past comments on social issues are downright scary. She's like an evangelical 2nd-gen tea-partier....I honestly don't know many people who agree with her on the social stuff....but with the PC's issues, and Alberta's partisan attitude of refusing to vote for any leftist party.....the Wildrose will get their majority. With Harper running the Feds and these people running our province...big oil (and business in general) is going to have a field day.
brutal ... :(0 -
Liberal-NDP merger would create ‘political stability,’ Chrétien argues
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le2404228/I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
Harper government to shrink environmental-assessment process
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le2404607/I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
lukin2006 wrote:Harper government to shrink environmental-assessment process
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le2404607/
it's more than that ... they've eliminated all kinds of independent boards, funding to departments that are supposed to be objective ... all under the guise of austerity ... meanwhile, no changes to the oil industry that makes billions in profit every year ... :evil:0 -
lukin2006 wrote:Liberal-NDP merger would create ‘political stability,’ Chrétien argues
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le2404228/
i'm torn on this ... ideally right now, i'd like to see an ndp minority gov't and set in motion some form of proportional representation voting scheme ... that would ensure the conservatives would never hold a majority ...
but as we have discussed - conservatives will always vote conservative no matter what the party does so, really what other option is there?0 -
polaris_x wrote:lukin2006 wrote:Liberal-NDP merger would create ‘political stability,’ Chrétien argues
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le2404228/
i'm torn on this ... ideally right now, i'd like to see an ndp minority gov't and set in motion some form of proportional representation voting scheme ... that would ensure the conservatives would never hold a majority ...
but as we have discussed - conservatives will always vote conservative no matter what the party does so, really what other option is there?
At first I didn't like the idea...mostly because I like more than 2 parties...but I think the Green Party would benefit from this and fill the 3rd party vacancy.
I doubt we'll see a merger until after the next election. If the NDP continue to make gains then I don't see them merging.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
lukin2006 wrote:At first I didn't like the idea...mostly because I like more than 2 parties...but I think the Green Party would benefit from this and fill the 3rd party vacancy.
I doubt we'll see a merger until after the next election. If the NDP continue to make gains then I don't see them merging.
well ... this is where i think we will see the ndp's true colours ... the Progressive Conservatives basically go sold out by Peter McKay ... he promised he wouldn't merge and he did it anyways for power ... will Muclair sell his party out for power?0 -
polaris_x wrote:lukin2006 wrote:At first I didn't like the idea...mostly because I like more than 2 parties...but I think the Green Party would benefit from this and fill the 3rd party vacancy.
I doubt we'll see a merger until after the next election. If the NDP continue to make gains then I don't see them merging.
well ... this is where i think we will see the ndp's true colours ... the Progressive Conservatives basically go sold out by Peter McKay ... he promised he wouldn't merge and he did it anyways for power ... will Muclair sell his party out for power?
I guess only he can answer that...and time will tell.
even if they do merge and unite the left...nothing is guaranteed...who is to say disgruntled liberal don't go off and form another party, or right wing liberals might join the conservatives, and some New Democrats might join The Green Party.
And in someways it seems like the liberals are desperate or Chretien is...they've only been out of power for a handful of years, they have to get themselves a leader that relates to all Canadians before they can determine if they need to merge.
Beside I think the conservatives will implode eventually...their support in Ontario isn't rock solid like it is out west...just a tiny shift the other way and they easily lose the election.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
lukin2006 wrote:I guess only he can answer that...and time will tell.
even if they do merge and unite the left...nothing is guaranteed...who is to say disgruntled liberal don't go off and form another party, or right wing liberals might join the conservatives, and some New Democrats might join The Green Party.
And in someways it seems like the liberals are desperate or Chretien is...they've only been out of power for a handful of years, they have to get themselves a leader that relates to all Canadians before they can determine if they need to merge.
Beside I think the conservatives will implode eventually...their support in Ontario isn't rock solid like it is out west...just a tiny shift the other way and they easily lose the election.
thing is ... the ndp may somewhat be considered left under jack but he was moving it towards the centre and now mulclair will move it even further to the centre ... so, there are no left parties anymore ... just the greens ...
i'm not sure on liberal motivation but for me - it's only a consideration simply because this conservative majority is taking this country to places i don't think many canadians approve ...0
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