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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 wrote:
    well maybe the green party is the solution or maybe its time we have proportional representation...I dunno, I do know this, the current system is not working.

    agreed ... definitely in favour of proportional representation ... but the single biggest thing we need is what you are: a critically thinking engaged citizen ...

    obviously, we would never find 100% consensus but the reality is that so many people a) don't vote or b) vote based strictly on partisanship ... we do not hold politicians accountable and i'm sorry but conservatives are the worst at that ... look what WE did to the liberal gov't based on an Ad Scandal ... we hold the power and it's time we exercised it ... i
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    it's all about open, honest and transparent gov't ... i have no problem with lobbyists as long as our elected officials are making informed decisions in the interests of the people ...

    I support this post 100%
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    well maybe the green party is the solution or maybe its time we have proportional representation...I dunno, I do know this, the current system is not working.

    agreed ... definitely in favour of proportional representation ... but the single biggest thing we need is what you are: a critically thinking engaged citizen ...

    obviously, we would never find 100% consensus but the reality is that so many people a) don't vote or b) vote based strictly on partisanship ... we do not hold politicians accountable and i'm sorry but conservatives are the worst at that ... look what WE did to the liberal gov't based on an Ad Scandal ... we hold the power and it's time we exercised it ... i

    Thank you...yes I agree we need more people engaged in whats going on in politics...I am 1 who admits to not voting but was seriously considering putting my support behind the NDP until I couldn't get my question answered...I may email Elizabeth May and see what her responses are...never thought I would consider the green party but their platform is far more diverse than I realized...and it is time to move on from the liberal/consercatives who have run this country for far to long.

    As for the partisanship...I know people who voted for the conservatives because they were getting rid of the gun registry...1 issue seems like a silly reason to support a party.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    fife wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    it's all about open, honest and transparent gov't ... i have no problem with lobbyists as long as our elected officials are making informed decisions in the interests of the people ...

    I support this post 100%

    Just for the record...what your organizations lobbies for is not a problem with me...I commend you and your organization for speaking up for people living with HIV...that must be one tough job.

    I have more of a problem with unions, oil companies, corporations...I think you get the picture...they are in it more for greed...where as your organization seems to be more in it for trying to obtain necessary funding to help people living with a terrible disease...hope I got that right and don't come across as ignorant.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    agreed ... definitely in favour of proportional representation


    I think proportional representation is the only way we'll move ahead. I'm not so sure anyone other than liberals and conservatives will form a government...the problem is that the liberals or conservatives have to make that change or put it to referendum...unfortunately I do not see that happening.

    It was put to referendum in Ontario a few years back and was defeated. I'm not so sure people understood it. Probably not enough education before the vote.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    lukin2006 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    agreed ... definitely in favour of proportional representation


    I think proportional representation is the only way we'll move ahead. I'm not so sure anyone other than liberals and conservatives will form a government...the problem is that the liberals or conservatives have to make that change or put it to referendum...unfortunately I do not see that happening.

    It was put to referendum in Ontario a few years back and was defeated. I'm not so sure people understood it. Probably not enough education before the vote.

    I am not sure how proportional representation helps anyone. I mean my understanding is that if say we had proportional representation in Canada, my riding would get bigger as there would be less seats for actual ridings. And then there would be more seats created for like floater MPs based on the percentage of votes each party gets. Except the floater MPs would just be politicians appointed by each party's leadership. And if they are appointed politicians they are going to be the most loyal party hacks ever (worse than the senate probably). And tell me now, if these people are appointed and the most loyal party followers ever, how are they going to help represent people more, when they don't specifically answer to anyone?
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    I am not sure how proportional representation helps anyone. I mean my understanding is that if say we had proportional representation in Canada, my riding would get bigger as there would be less seats for actual ridings. And then there would be more seats created for like floater MPs based on the percentage of votes each party gets. Except the floater MPs would just be politicians appointed by each party's leadership. And if they are appointed politicians they are going to be the most loyal party hacks ever (worse than the senate probably). And tell me now, if these people are appointed and the most loyal party followers ever, how are they going to help represent people more, when they don't specifically answer to anyone?

    yeah ... that would be the main flaw of the PR voting system ... even tho we would elect about 2/3 of the mps - the rest would be filled based on the party nomination list ... but overall tho, PR voting systems are most widely used in democracies and they work out pretty good ... so, more pros than cons ...

    i'd be interested in the single transferable vote (stv) ... it would basically eliminate the vote splitting that happens which gives the conservatives a majority despite only 33% of the vote ...
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Conservatives’ ‘in-and-out’ scandal investigation cost taxpayers $2.3-million

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/10 ... yers-2-3m/
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    lukin2006 wrote:
    fife wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    it's all about open, honest and transparent gov't ... i have no problem with lobbyists as long as our elected officials are making informed decisions in the interests of the people ...

    I support this post 100%

    Just for the record...what your organizations lobbies for is not a problem with me...I commend you and your organization for speaking up for people living with HIV...that must be one tough job.

    I have more of a problem with unions, oil companies, corporations...I think you get the picture...they are in it more for greed...where as your organization seems to be more in it for trying to obtain necessary funding to help people living with a terrible disease...hope I got that right and don't come across as ignorant.

    Don't worry i wasn't think you were ignorant at all. I completely understand where your coming from. the same part is that with the conservatives trying to remove public funding for political parties, i have a feeling that lobbying will become much worse and that our system will become more American than it is already.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Conservatives’ ‘in-and-out’ scandal investigation cost taxpayers $2.3-million

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/10 ... yers-2-3m/

    brutal ... yet ... as usual ... crickets from the conservatives ...
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Chretien disappointed charter anniversary went largely unnoticed — again

    Read more: http://www.canada.com/news/Chretien+dis ... z1rhcsL0cE

    Found this and totally agree with Jean Chretien on this but not totally surprised....Harper has no respect for other political parties and what they accomplished and this was/is a big deal.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    fife wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    fife wrote:
    I support this post 100%

    Just for the record...what your organizations lobbies for is not a problem with me...I commend you and your organization for speaking up for people living with HIV...that must be one tough job.

    I have more of a problem with unions, oil companies, corporations...I think you get the picture...they are in it more for greed...where as your organization seems to be more in it for trying to obtain necessary funding to help people living with a terrible disease...hope I got that right and don't come across as ignorant.

    Don't worry i wasn't think you were ignorant at all. I completely understand where your coming from. the same part is that with the conservatives trying to remove public funding for political parties, i have a feeling that lobbying will become much worse and that our system will become more American than it is already.

    I'm afraid your right we are headed toward a much more American system...I can see lobbying that is good, like the lobbying your organization does...I doubt any good comes from the oil lobbyist, union lobbyist, corporations lobbying, insurance lobbyist etc.

    Unfortunately we are stuck with him for a while and if the opposition don't get their act together we may be stuck with him far longer than we can imagine... :( :(
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Conservatives’ ‘in-and-out’ scandal investigation cost taxpayers $2.3-million

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/10 ... yers-2-3m/

    brutal ... yet ... as usual ... crickets from the conservatives ...

    The fine should be at least the cost of the investigation...whats a 52000 fine to these guys... :( :(
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Chretien disappointed charter anniversary went largely unnoticed — again

    Read more: http://www.canada.com/news/Chretien+dis ... z1rhcsL0cE

    Found this and totally agree with Jean Chretien on this but not totally surprised....Harper has no respect for other political parties and what they accomplished and this was/is a big deal.

    he doesn't believe in the charter ... he just doesn't have the balls right now to challenge it ...
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Chretien disappointed charter anniversary went largely unnoticed — again

    Read more: http://www.canada.com/news/Chretien+dis ... z1rhcsL0cE

    Found this and totally agree with Jean Chretien on this but not totally surprised....Harper has no respect for other political parties and what they accomplished and this was/is a big deal.

    he doesn't believe in the charter ... he just doesn't have the balls right now to challenge it ...

    That's true...how can people continue to support this guy?
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 wrote:
    The fine should be at least the cost of the investigation...whats a 52000 fine to these guys... :( :(

    no kidding ... they cheated in the elections ... then they lied about it ... then they obstructed the investigation .. and it's costs us millions ...

    pretty much every thing i said about the conservatives have come to fruition ... it's brutal we continue to allow these people to fuck us over ...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 wrote:
    That's true...how can people continue to support this guy?

    i'm telling you ... a lot conservatives can't think critically ... all they are good at doing is shifting attention to the liberals ... these folks can recite every friggin' liberal mismanagement but will not hold the conservatives accountable ... then there's the people that just aren't engaged ... they think it's out of their control and the only thing they seem to care about are taxes ... the cons will always be able to buy votes by promising lower taxes regardless of what the consequences of that are ...
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    polaris_x wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    The fine should be at least the cost of the investigation...whats a 52000 fine to these guys... :( :(

    no kidding ... they cheated in the elections ... then they lied about it ... then they obstructed the investigation .. and it's costs us millions ...

    pretty much every thing i said about the conservatives have come to fruition ... it's brutal we continue to allow these people to fuck us over ...

    More election cheating:
    http://www.vancouverobserver.com/politi ... t?page=0,2

    Tories may have broken 2011 election rules with US Republican campaigners in Ontario
    U.S. directors from Front Porch Strategies worked “in the trenches” for Tory candidates in 2011, going door to door and openly campaigning for Conservative candidates, the firm's Canadian liason said.


    from the govt complaining about foreign environmental groups intervening in the pipeline debates.....:roll:
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Drowned Out wrote:
    More election cheating:
    http://www.vancouverobserver.com/politi ... t?page=0,2

    Tories may have broken 2011 election rules with US Republican campaigners in Ontario
    U.S. directors from Front Porch Strategies worked “in the trenches” for Tory candidates in 2011, going door to door and openly campaigning for Conservative candidates, the firm's Canadian liason said.


    from the govt complaining about foreign environmental groups intervening in the pipeline debates.....:roll:

    it's brutal ... all these cuts from this gov't are totally targeted at groups they are opposed to ... mainly environment and such ... anyone who dares oppose big oil like say our scientists ... cut cut cut ...
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Canada won't fight to save murderer Ronald Smith from execution in Montana

    Read more: http://www.canada.com/news/Canada+fight ... z1rtV3ffgv
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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