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  • antares434
    antares434 Posts: 110
    drinkbigredinstead wrote:
    Only US citizens can vote, so any form of ID which can be used to verify if you are a US citizen should be allowed for voting, end of story.

    Heck I can’t even return a Clone Trooper action figure to Target for full price w/o an ID.

    No state issued IDs are proof that you are a US citizen.
  • drinkbigredinstead
    drinkbigredinstead Posts: 2,240
    antares434 wrote:
    drinkbigredinstead wrote:
    Only US citizens can vote, so any form of ID which can be used to verify if you are a US citizen should be allowed for voting, end of story.

    Heck I can’t even return a Clone Trooper action figure to Target for full price w/o an ID.

    No state issued IDs are proof that you are a US citizen.


    Thanks. I did not know that, in fact after I posted the comment I looked it up.

    I stand by comment though, if only US citizens can vote, then the only acceptable ID should be documents accepted to prove citzenship. Social Security cards maybe? I don't recall having to pay for either of my sons SS cards...
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    antares434 wrote:
    drinkbigredinstead wrote:
    Only US citizens can vote, so any form of ID which can be used to verify if you are a US citizen should be allowed for voting, end of story.

    Heck I can’t even return a Clone Trooper action figure to Target for full price w/o an ID.

    No state issued IDs are proof that you are a US citizen.

    wow cool info ..I didn't know that,thanks.
    what form of ID is used to prove citizenship ? I mean if a border patrol agent asked me what whould I have or need to prove it ?

    Godfather.
  • antares434
    antares434 Posts: 110
    drinkbigredinstead wrote:
    antares434 wrote:
    drinkbigredinstead wrote:
    Only US citizens can vote, so any form of ID which can be used to verify if you are a US citizen should be allowed for voting, end of story.

    Heck I can’t even return a Clone Trooper action figure to Target for full price w/o an ID.

    No state issued IDs are proof that you are a US citizen.


    Thanks. I did not know that, in fact after I posted the comment I looked it up.

    I stand by comment though, if only US citizens can vote, then the only acceptable ID should be documents accepted to prove citzenship. Social Security cards maybe? I don't recall having to pay for either of my sons SS cards...

    I think many of the proposed new ID laws would eliminate a SS card as a valid form of ID, since it's not a state of the art photo ID that's difficult to fake.
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    The fact that you are on the voter registration roll is proof that you are a US citizen, isn't it? You just need to prove you are that person.
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  • drinkbigredinstead
    drinkbigredinstead Posts: 2,240
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    The fact that you are on the voter registration roll is proof that you are a US citizen, isn't it? You just need to prove you are that person.


    Where is the list generated/housed? If it's through SS then I would think proof of address, such as a bill, would be acceptable. There will always be people trying to get one past the system, it's an operationl risk which can not be avoided.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    The fact that you are on the voter registration roll is proof that you are a US citizen, isn't it? You just need to prove you are that person.
    Yes, I would think so. Makes sense, although when I read about dogs and dead folks being called for jury duty or sent concensus forms, I have to wonder.

    So are we back to square one then?

    How does one prove who they are? State-issued/photo ID?

    Certainly not a phone bill...
  • satansbed
    satansbed Posts: 2,139
    Godfather. wrote:
    I think letting non citizens vote is horseshit, it's just wrong to let a citizen of another country vote for president of the united states.

    Godfather.


    Why not, if they pay taxes and live in the U.S. for a certain number of years they should be allowed to vote.

    This is one of the main reasons the United States where formed in the first place. to get rid of taxation without representation
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Godfather. wrote:
    I think letting non citizens vote is horseshit, it's just wrong to let a citizen of another country vote for president of the united states.

    Godfather.
    ...
    It is more about the fraud perpetrated by American citizens, than non-citizens.
    Like the guy in California that ran a nursing home and 'filled' out all of the resident's ballots for them. He din't fill them out to their wishes... some of them suffered from dementia... he filled them out to match his ballot.
    He is an American... and so were all of the people at his nursing homes.
    But, it is still fraud.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Is it not so that someone walking around without an ID I would have greater concerns about weather he/she could vote or not? It's seems to me it's just not safe or wise to walk around without an ID.
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    brianlux wrote:
    Is it not so that someone walking around without an ID I would have greater concerns about weather he/she could vote or not? It's seems to me it's just not safe or wise to walk around without an ID.

    I think you should have some kind of an I.D. on you, you need to identify yourself. I agree... However I think having to have a National I.D. is ridiculous... Perhaps that's for another time.
  • drinkbigredinstead
    drinkbigredinstead Posts: 2,240
    hedonist wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    The fact that you are on the voter registration roll is proof that you are a US citizen, isn't it? You just need to prove you are that person.
    Yes, I would think so. Makes sense, although when I read about dogs and dead folks being called for jury duty or sent concensus forms, I have to wonder.

    So are we back to square one then?

    How does one prove who they are? State-issued/photo ID?

    Certainly not a phone bill...


    Yes I think we're back to using state ID's, but I do agree there needs to be a way to waive the fee, you shouldn't have to pay to vote.

    Maybe a voter ID card that is provided fee of charge?
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    edited April 2012
    antares434 wrote:
    Correct me if I'm wrong ... The new laws are not simply adding the requirement of an ID for the first time. The new laws tighten the ID laws by requiring state issued ID, such as a photo driver's license. I'm pretty certain you always needed ID, but things like your heating bill or lease were accepted in lieu of a government issued photo ID. They now want to eliminate those less reliable forms of ID. If passed, the law will have the effect of turning registered voters away from the polls.

    For example: grandma, who was born here and is a citizen, doesn't currently have any state issued photo ID. For the last few years she's been voting and her phone bill which lists her name and address was a valid form of ID. This year, she isn't aware of the change in the law and gets turned away on election day.

    I think much of the media is reporting this issue in a misleading way ... they just like the "New Law Requiring ID at the Polls" headline.

    A few views on the subject--I'm sure if we all sift through the swamp that is the media, we'll find an answer:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... 0W20120405

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03 ... er-id-law/

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/are ... 53065.html

    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politi ... ment-says/

    http://www.thenation.com/blog/167217/voter-fraud-fraud
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    So, let me get this straight. There are states where you are required to carry an ID at all times? Like, when you're running or taking out the trash? :?
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    So, let me get this straight. There are states where you are required to carry an ID at all times? Like, when you're running or taking out the trash? :?
    ...
    What about people who don't drive? Why pay the state for a Drivers License, if you don't drive a car? Yeah, you can get a State License, but who wants to spend their time in the DMV for something you don't need?
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    State ID is not a Drivers License they are two separate things so if you don't drive
    or lose your license to a DUI you must get a State ID.

    It is law here but not greatly enforced.
    They can and will ask for ID ... just cause. Best to have it then and always answer Sir,
    with each question ... respectfully.
  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    Cosmo wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    So, let me get this straight. There are states where you are required to carry an ID at all times? Like, when you're running or taking out the trash? :?
    ...
    What about people who don't drive? Why pay the state for a Drivers License, if you don't drive a car? Yeah, you can get a State License, but who wants to spend their time in the DMV for something you don't need?


    i agree. here's why i think requiring voters to show State photo ID is wrong.

    granted my father passed 15 years ago but hypothetically if he were still living he'd be approaching 90 yrs old. let's say for whatever reason he could no longer drive. in which case, he wouldn't even be able to obtain a state ID because;

    he was born at home so never had a birth certificate.
    didn't have a passport.
    showing an expired DL it's not accepted.
    sure he had a ss card & utility bills but that's not enough proof of citizenship according to the DMV in the states he lived (likely the fact in most, if not all states)
    he could walk into a DMV with his WWII metals... or even show the pic of him at Arlington one Veterans day handing the wreath off to then pres. Reagan to place on the tomb of the Unknowns... still those things wouldn't count for a damn thing.

    for a man that strongly felt voting was his duty as a citizen...if he was required to show a state ID? he would be denied
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    prism wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    So, let me get this straight. There are states where you are required to carry an ID at all times? Like, when you're running or taking out the trash? :?
    ...
    What about people who don't drive? Why pay the state for a Drivers License, if you don't drive a car? Yeah, you can get a State License, but who wants to spend their time in the DMV for something you don't need?


    i agree. here's why i think requiring voters to show State photo ID is wrong.

    granted my father passed 15 years ago but hypothetically if he were still living he'd be approaching 90 yrs old. let's say for whatever reason he could no longer drive. in which case, he wouldn't even be able to obtain a state ID because;

    he was born at home so never had a birth certificate.
    didn't have a passport.
    showing an expired DL it's not accepted.
    sure he had a ss card & utility bills but that's not enough proof of citizenship according to the DMV in the states he lived (likely the fact in most, if not all states)
    he could walk into a DMV with his WWII metals... or even show the pic of him at Arlington one Veterans day handing the wreath off to then pres. Reagan to place on the tomb of the Unknowns... still those things wouldn't count for a damn thing.

    for a man that strongly felt voting was his duty as a citizen...if he was required to show a state ID? he would be denied

    You can get a state I.D. that is not a driver license. It doesn't have to be a driver license. Your father could still get one of those.
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    A reason to have an I.D.

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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    prism wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    What about people who don't drive? Why pay the state for a Drivers License, if you don't drive a car? Yeah, you can get a State License, but who wants to spend their time in the DMV for something you don't need?


    i agree. here's why i think requiring voters to show State photo ID is wrong.

    granted my father passed 15 years ago but hypothetically if he were still living he'd be approaching 90 yrs old. let's say for whatever reason he could no longer drive. in which case, he wouldn't even be able to obtain a state ID because;

    he was born at home so never had a birth certificate.
    didn't have a passport.
    showing an expired DL it's not accepted.
    sure he had a ss card & utility bills but that's not enough proof of citizenship according to the DMV in the states he lived (likely the fact in most, if not all states)
    he could walk into a DMV with his WWII metals... or even show the pic of him at Arlington one Veterans day handing the wreath off to then pres. Reagan to place on the tomb of the Unknowns... still those things wouldn't count for a damn thing.

    for a man that strongly felt voting was his duty as a citizen...if he was required to show a state ID? he would be denied

    You can get a state I.D. that is not a driver license. It doesn't have to be a driver license. Your father could still get one of those.

    i know, and that's what i meant. if someone's most recent DL or State ID has expired, in order to obtain a new/current state ID a person is still required to show the DMV a birth certificate AND things like as a passport, ss card or utility bills in addition. a person can't just walk in to the DMV and say 'here's $20...give me a State ID'
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