voter id requirements

mikepegg44
mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
edited April 2012 in A Moving Train
Can someone tell me how this disenfranchises voters?

I here a lot of demagoguery and hyperbole associated with it from both sides, but in a rational way, can someone please explain to me why an id at the voting booth disenfranchises voters.
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  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    It certainly makes it more difficult to vote for some. Also the ID would have to be at no cost or it would be considered a poll tax, and that's no good. I'm on the fence on this issue but let's face it, the republican party wants voter id's not because of voter fraud but because it would reduce votes for democrats, and I'm so over this kind of my team has to win no matter what is right or wrong horseshit.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I think letting non citizens vote is horseshit, it's just wrong to let a citizen of another country vote for president of the united states.

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    it is aimed at preventing people from voting. in a democratic republic you would think that they would be trying to make voting easier for the entire population. but because the people that will have diffuculty getting a voter id, the elderly, the infirmed, college students, etc who vote democratic, it is easy to reach the conclusion that this is a way of discriminating and disenfranchising them.

    more people get struck by lightning than commit voter fraud each year.


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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-daily ... 91224.html

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    It never occurred to me as a conspiracy to reduce democratic votes.

    It just seems like common sense and wise practice - I mean, who doesn't have a form of legal ID (assuming one is of legal citizenry)?

    Why would it be considered over-the-top to show up at your polling place, declare "I'm so-and-so and I'm here to vote", and then be asked to confirm that you actually ARE so-and-so?
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    hedonist wrote:
    It never occurred to me as a conspiracy to reduce democratic votes.

    It just seems like common sense and wise practice - I mean, who doesn't have a form of legal ID (assuming one is of legal citizenry)?

    Why would it be considered over-the-top to show up at your polling place, declare "I'm so-and-so and I'm here to vote", and then be asked to confirm that you actually ARE so-and-so?
    :roll: You expect people to buy their OWN ID's...
    Do you know the diffuculty and cost of obtaining an ID???
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    by the loitering statue in this state you must carry an ID at all times...
    you can be arrested for not having this.

    Of course people should have to show ID to vote
    they must register and vote in their district ... that is an absolute no brainer
  • shawnyballgame
    shawnyballgame Posts: 162
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    it is aimed at preventing people from voting. in a democratic republic you would think that they would be trying to make voting easier for the entire population. but because the people that will have diffuculty getting a voter id, the elderly, the infirmed, college students, etc who vote democratic, it is easy to reach the conclusion that this is a way of discriminating and disenfranchising them.

    more people get struck by lightning than commit voter fraud each year.


    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... or/254572/

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-daily ... 91224.html

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/0 ... ?mobile=nc

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the elderly & infirmed need an ID to get goverment assistance (medicare,s.s., ect) College students? When I was in school they issued an offical picture ID, plus I know I had to show my DL durning registration. That was almost 15 years ago.
  • klusterfuk
    klusterfuk Posts: 1,411
    pandora wrote:

    Of course people should have to show ID to vote
    they must register and vote in their district ... that is an absolute no brainer

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    The ACLU and Democrats sued the state of Indiana for voter ID laws. They claimed it was unconstitutional and placed an undue burden on voting. However, they could not cite one instance where someone was prevented from voting in the prior election due to the law.

    To be honest, this is a silly Dem / GOP issue. I was surprised to learn most states didn't require ID.

    Dang near everything requires ID these days. BFD if you need one to vote.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,574
    Really everyone should have some sort of ID , but shouldn't we as a country wan't as many people voting as possible ...
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  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    josevolution wrote:
    Really everyone should have some sort of ID , but shouldn't we as a country wan't as many people voting as possible ...

    Not if they don't vote for my/our/your team :mrgreen:
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    Jason P wrote:
    To be honest, this is a silly Dem / GOP issue.

    Yeah, I think this is right.

    Dems exaggerate how voter ID laws disenfranchise voters and Reps exaggerate instances of voter fraud.
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  • maj4e
    maj4e Posts: 605
    You have to be a citizen to vote already. VoterID is designed to simply validate who you are with your registered precinct. That's the theory, in practice it tends to discourage voters who are at the poverty level and they happen to typically vote democrat, with some exceptions.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    maj4e wrote:
    You have to be a citizen to vote already. VoterID is designed to simply validate who you are with your registered precinct. That's the theory, in practice it tends to discourage voters who are at the poverty level and they happen to typically vote democrat, with some exceptions.
    So you think people at the poverty level, who are to lazy to get an ID are going to go out and VOTE?
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    To be honest, this is a silly Dem / GOP issue.

    Yeah, I think this is right.

    Dems exaggerate how voter ID laws disenfranchise voters and Reps exaggerate instances of voter fraud.


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  • maj4e
    maj4e Posts: 605
    Blockhead wrote:
    maj4e wrote:
    You have to be a citizen to vote already. VoterID is designed to simply validate who you are with your registered precinct. That's the theory, in practice it tends to discourage voters who are at the poverty level and they happen to typically vote democrat, with some exceptions.
    So you think people at the poverty level, who are to lazy to get an ID are going to go out and VOTE?

    Just stating what the scenario is dude, no where in it did I take a stand. Relax
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,369
    klusterfuk wrote:
    pandora wrote:

    Of course people should have to show ID to vote
    they must register and vote in their district ... that is an absolute no brainer

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    other forms of identification are accepted at my county's board of elections to be registered. As long as you are registered and they can verify that on the voter rolls at the precinct I vote in you dont need the id to show at the polls.
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  • antares434
    antares434 Posts: 110
    Correct me if I'm wrong ... The new laws are not simply adding the requirement of an ID for the first time. The new laws tighten the ID laws by requiring state issued ID, such as a photo driver's license. I'm pretty certain you always needed ID, but things like your heating bill or lease were accepted in lieu of a government issued photo ID. They now want to eliminate those less reliable forms of ID. If passed, the law will have the effect of turning registered voters away from the polls.

    For example: grandma, who was born here and is a citizen, doesn't currently have any state issued photo ID. For the last few years she's been voting and her phone bill which lists her name and address was a valid form of ID. This year, she isn't aware of the change in the law and gets turned away on election day.

    I think much of the media is reporting this issue in a misleading way ... they just like the "New Law Requiring ID at the Polls" headline.
  • drinkbigredinstead
    drinkbigredinstead Posts: 2,240
    Only US citizens can vote, so any form of ID which can be used to verify if you are a US citizen should be allowed for voting, end of story.

    Heck I can’t even return a Clone Trooper action figure to Target for full price w/o an ID.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    drinkbigredinstead wrote:
    Heck I can’t even return a Clone Trooper action figure to Target for full price w/o an ID.
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