Vaccinate your kids?

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  • youngster
    youngster Boston Posts: 6,576
    Well, I have 2 kids and they have been up to date on their vaccines all their life and neither one has been diagnosed with autism. So maybe the autism rate going up is just a coincidence and has nothing to with vaccinations. Maybe it's all these supplements or prescription drugs that adults take and pass it on to their kids genetically.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    RKCNDY wrote:
    I thought the reason people were NOT vaccinating their kids was because vaccines contain additives like mercury in them, and parents were scared of the toxins causing autism.

    My chiropractor has 3 kids, hasn't vaccinated any of them. I think they are ages 5-10. His reasons are the one I listed and he is a 'purist', organic everything, gets stuff from overseas that have stricter regulations on processing then the US does. He's not from the US either.
    exactly. vaccines are fulla all sortsa heavy metals not just mercury but aluminum and others. not getting a kid vaccinated does not give the kid autism. injecting bullshit into a baby could bring on some bullshit the kid doesn't want anywhere near him/her.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Carey wrote:
    RKCNDY wrote:
    I thought the reason people were NOT vaccinating their kids was because vaccines contain additives like mercury in them, and parents were scared of the toxins causing autism.

    My chiropractor has 3 kids, hasn't vaccinated any of them. I think they are ages 5-10. His reasons are the one I listed and he is a 'purist', organic everything, gets stuff from overseas that have stricter regulations on processing then the US does. He's not from the US either.

    I believe there is only one vaccine given in the US which contains thimerosal (which contains mercury), and I also believe it's one of the "flu shot" vaccines. But, not all batches of the "flu shot" contain this. In other words, it is possible to get a T-free vaccination for influenza. The CDC has never found a link between autism and vaccinations.
    that is not entirely true.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    antares434 wrote:
    I thought this anti-vaccine nonsense was over. The media coverage seems to have calmed down in the northeast US as far as I can tell now that the tables have turned on the "issue" and the anti-vacc people are more commonly seen as fear mongering quacks.
    why are the folks who fear vaccines commonly know as fear mongering quacks?
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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    youngster wrote:
    Well, I have 2 kids and they have been up to date on their vaccines all their life and neither one has been diagnosed with autism. So maybe the autism rate going up is just a coincidence and has nothing to with vaccinations. Maybe it's all these supplements or prescription drugs that adults take and pass it on to their kids genetically.

    I think a lot of the rates going up is just actually rates of diagnosis going up not actual rates of autism going up. I mean 20 years ago only kids with easy to detect autism, like the guy from Rain Man, who could hardly interact with people at all were diagnosed. But now you have all kinds of autism spectrum disorders, so a kid who was just kind of a weird little dude 20 years ago would now be considered an autism case.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    All 50 states require vaccinations for children entering public schools even though no mandatory federal vaccination laws exist. All 50 states issue medical exemptions, 48 states (excluding Mississippi and West Virginia) permit religious exemptions [1], and 20 states allow an exemption (71 KB) [32] for philosophical reasons.

    Over 5,500 cases alleging a causal relationship between vaccinations and autism have been filed under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program in the US Court of Federal Claims between 2001 and 2009. [21]

    The US Court of Federal Claims Office of Special Masters, between 1988 and 2009, has awarded compensation to 1,322 families whose children suffered brain damage from vaccines. [22]

    About 30,000 cases of adverse reactions to vaccines have been reported annually to the federal government since 1990, with 13% classified as serious, meaning associated with permanent disability, hospitalization, life-threatening illness, or death. [23]

    According to a 2003 report by researchers at the Pediatric Academic Society, childhood vaccinations in the US prevent about 10.5 million cases of infectious illness and 33,000 deaths per year.

    My son 28 years ago had a reaction to the MMR so he was exempt from the vaccine.

    The sad thing is that the people who choose not to get vaccinated for what ever personal reason they have put people like your son who aren't able to get vaccinated at even further risk of getting sick since with fewer people vaccinated diseases can spread faster.

    The other sad thing is that even though there was next to no proof to begin with that vaccines cause autism, because a portion of the public caught onto this, millions of dollars have been spent on research to confirm that there was no link. Money the could have been spent I don't know, trying to find a way to cure autism?

    And as a parent of a child who is at the age where she gets a new vaccine on almost every check-up personally I would take an increased chance of autism any day over an increased chance of polio or the mumps or whooping cough.

    Well my kids were vaccinated for childhood diseases it is the Hep B
    vaccine at birth that is most in question due to mercury content and necessity,
    from what I've read.

    Your statement doesn't seem to grasp what the parents of autistic children
    live with a lifetime through, let alone the child.

    My father a victim of polo, he might not have lived the life he did if he were autistic.
    I come from a generation of mumps, pox, measles and whooping cough,
    those for me personally seem to be just that, a childhood illness.
    After raising my kids through a lot of illnesses and it was always very scary,
    still is in fact,
    I appreciate the most, our loving bond, communication and enjoyment of each other
    that could have been missing with autism.
  • youngster
    youngster Boston Posts: 6,576
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    youngster wrote:
    Well, I have 2 kids and they have been up to date on their vaccines all their life and neither one has been diagnosed with autism. So maybe the autism rate going up is just a coincidence and has nothing to with vaccinations. Maybe it's all these supplements or prescription drugs that adults take and pass it on to their kids genetically.

    I think a lot of the rates going up is just actually rates of diagnosis going up not actual rates of autism going up. I mean 20 years ago only kids with easy to detect autism, like the guy from Rain Man, who could hardly interact with people at all were diagnosed. But now you have all kinds of autism spectrum disorders, so a kid who was just kind of a weird little dude 20 years ago would now be considered an autism case.

    That's an interesting point. It's like the ADD debate. Now any kid who doesn't focus 100% or daydreams is a ADD case. And the first thing doctors suggest is a prescription. Healthcare isn't about keeping us safe and healthy, it's about making money just like any other business. That is my opinion.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Mamasan23 wrote:
    ^^^ Interesting info Pandora, thanks!
    welcome :D

    I was wondering the same as you too!
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    youngster wrote:
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    youngster wrote:
    Well, I have 2 kids and they have been up to date on their vaccines all their life and neither one has been diagnosed with autism. So maybe the autism rate going up is just a coincidence and has nothing to with vaccinations. Maybe it's all these supplements or prescription drugs that adults take and pass it on to their kids genetically.

    I think a lot of the rates going up is just actually rates of diagnosis going up not actual rates of autism going up. I mean 20 years ago only kids with easy to detect autism, like the guy from Rain Man, who could hardly interact with people at all were diagnosed. But now you have all kinds of autism spectrum disorders, so a kid who was just kind of a weird little dude 20 years ago would now be considered an autism case.

    That's an interesting point. It's like the ADD debate. Now any kid who doesn't focus 100% or daydreams is a ADD case. And the first thing doctors suggest is a prescription. Healthcare isn't about keeping us safe and healthy, it's about making money just like any other business. That is my opinion.

    "Vaccines are promoted primarily to generate profits for manufacturers and financial donations for medical organizations that endorse vaccines. In 2003, a House Committee on Government Reform report revealed that the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices had members with significant financial ties to vaccine companies. The American Academy of Pediatrics, a leading pro-vaccination organization, receives millions of dollars from vaccine companies. "
    http://vaccines.procon.org/

    granted a decade ago but do we think anything has changed?
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    when i do buy deodorant, why does the deodorant i buy say across the bar/container
    as always "aluminum free" and we donate to breast cancer research (in actuality they show the breast cancer ribbon symbol vs' spelling out an entire sentence...)

    i have not purchased aluminum based deodorants in a very long time. i feel sorry for those people out there that use that junk. to me they are brainwashed and haven't a fucking idea at all as to what they are smearing on their underarm.

    for years i didn't even use deodorant until i found the natural stuff i use today.

    go ahead...inject your kids with some bullshit the government says is ok....
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  • youngster
    youngster Boston Posts: 6,576
    pandora wrote:

    "Vaccines are promoted primarily to generate profits for manufacturers and financial donations for medical organizations that endorse vaccines. In 2003, a House Committee on Government Reform report revealed that the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices had members with significant financial ties to vaccine companies. The American Academy of Pediatrics, a leading pro-vaccination organization, receives millions of dollars from vaccine companies. "
    http://vaccines.procon.org/

    granted a decade ago but do we think anything has changed?

    Absolutely not Pandora. In fact I bet it has gotten worse.
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,383
    I was a weird kid - maybe they would've diagnosed me with autism nowadays. :? I'm a mostly normal adult now. :lol:
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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    You can (And should) insist on vaccines without perservatives. They must accommodate. There may be no link, but why even take the risk.

    I'm not against all vaccines, but some are silly. Really? Chicken Pox? That was something we needed eradicated? Now, I know there are complications from it. But, there's complications from everything. I actually can't believe we wasted money on finding this vaccine. (And by wasted, I mean it could have been better spent on REAL diseases).

    I think we have TOO many vaccines being mandated. That's the real issue.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i forget how this goes exactly but it is very dangerous and no one cares.

    one organization says,,, and they may be the dental organization
    they say use mercury fillings
    some other organization with a lot of power like the government says no stop
    mercury is bad

    yet we the people still get mercury fillings
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    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Green Circle
    Green Circle Posts: 5,192
    Mamasan23 wrote:
    Don't schools require students to be vaccinated? My sister-in-law didn't want to vaccinate her daughter but she was forced to when she started school. So for parents that don't want to vaccinate, do they then have to home school? I honestly don't have an opinion on it either way seeing as I don't have kids, I'm just curious.


    Each state has school vaccination laws which require children of appropriate age to be vaccinated for several communicable diseases. State vaccination laws mandate that children be vaccinated prior to being allowed to attend public or private schools. Failure to vaccinate children can result in children being denied from attending school, civil fines and criminal penalties against their parents or guardians. What schools don’t tell parents is that in every state, an exemption exists allowing parents to legally refuse vaccines and allowing children to attend school.

    http://www.sayingnotovaccines.com/
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  • antares434
    antares434 Posts: 110
    chadwick wrote:
    antares434 wrote:
    I thought this anti-vaccine nonsense was over. The media coverage seems to have calmed down in the northeast US as far as I can tell now that the tables have turned on the "issue" and the anti-vacc people are more commonly seen as fear mongering quacks.
    why are the folks who fear vaccines commonly know as fear mongering quacks?

    My definition of a fear mongering quack is someone who promotes an idea that incites public fear/panic, even when this idea has been discredited with compelling/reliable evidence. The anti-vacc crowd fits that definition in my opinion, and I believe public opinion has turned toward my way of thinking.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    antares434 wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    antares434 wrote:
    I thought this anti-vaccine nonsense was over. The media coverage seems to have calmed down in the northeast US as far as I can tell now that the tables have turned on the "issue" and the anti-vacc people are more commonly seen as fear mongering quacks.
    why are the folks who fear vaccines commonly know as fear mongering quacks?

    My definition of a fear mongering quack is someone who promotes an idea that incites public fear/panic, even when this idea has been discredited with compelling/reliable evidence. The anti-vacc crowd fits that definition in my opinion, and I believe public opinion has turned toward my way of thinking.
    so then keep using products with aluminum and mercury in them. these are great products and great vaccines.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    I, for one, believe everything I read in the headlines.

    It's the details like the ingredients you will find on the package insert of vaccines that I ignore.

    :geek:
  • CBC291417
    CBC291417 Posts: 22
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    My sister is still convinced that vaccines caused autism in my nephew. I am aware of the lack of scientific evidence. Back then I think they still had mercury, which has since been removed from almost all vaccines.

    My boys are getting all the vaccines but we have forced the doctor to spread them out a little bit. 5 vaccines at once for a 2 month old? Come on.

    Yeah, pretty stupid not to do it. Babies can die from whooping cough. Polio is practically extinct except for a few African countries but everything seems to come back eventually, so...

    It's hard - a lot to think about.

    I did this same thing... Def feel the vaccines are needed but didn't feel comfortable with so many at one time. My son is 4, almost 5, and up to date with all vaccines.
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    vaccines, as they are today, will one day be regarded as bloodletting is right now.

    mark my words.

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