Canadian Politics

I don't know 67 sounds reasonable to me. I mean doing a quick google search the age has been 65 years old since the the late 1960's. And a person today who reaches 65 years old is probably in a lot better shape and a lot healthier than a person at 65 in 1968. So why shouldn't they work a little bit longer?

i heard there were cuts to the pension or was it just a pay freeze ... can't remember ...

lukin2006 wrote:

MPs' gold-plated pensions untouched by budget, no change before next election

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada ... 57165.html

dude ... what would it take to make this gov't fall!? ... i don't want to get into how suck-ass the liberals are now ... but what would make the people that vote for these conservatives change their vote ... i mean they've gone back on basically everything they've said ... there is no doubt they cheated in this election and don't forget that they already admitted to cheating in the previous one ... the negative commercials they are putting on 3 years before any possible election!?? ... and everything else they've done ... if this was any other party - they'd be done for ... yet the conservatives still have a loyal following ... what would it take?

lukin2006 wrote:

Kel Varnsen wrote:

I don't know 67 sounds reasonable to me. I mean doing a quick google search the age has been 65 years old since the the late 1960's. And a person today who reaches 65 years old is probably in a lot better shape and a lot healthier than a person at 65 in 1968. So why shouldn't they work a little bit longer?

sorry but 67 will only effect the lower middle class and working poor...the exact people that will have a tough time working past 65...many have been in labor intensive jobs most of their lives.

I am not sure but from some quick searching it looks like the new budget only changes OAS, it doesn't touch the Canada Pension Plan, which you can start taking once you turn 60 I think. so if someone wants to retire at 65 they still can and take their CPP money, they just have to wait 2 years before they get their OAS money.

lukin2006 wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

MPs' gold-plated pensions untouched by budget, no change before next election

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada ... 57165.html

dude ... what would it take to make this gov't fall!? ... i don't want to get into how suck-ass the liberals are now ... but what would make the people that vote for these conservatives change their vote ... i mean they've gone back on basically everything they've said ... there is no doubt they cheated in this election and don't forget that they already admitted to cheating in the previous one ... the negative commercials they are putting on 3 years before any possible election!?? ... and everything else they've done ... if this was any other party - they'd be done for ... yet the conservatives still have a loyal following ... what would it take?

Great question. I do not not know. Truthfully and maybe I'm crazy but I really started to think that Jack Layton had a real shot in the next election...people really liked Jack...

I have read that it's possible under the NDP's new leader that they could win the next election. He is a former Liberal so I suspect he'll take them more to the center and they'll replace the liberals.

Sometimes I wonder if far to many people take the attitude that "your better off with the devil you know, than the devil you don't know".

Mulcair....this is concerning to me...the NDP should not be the new Liberal party...they should not be moving more to the centre. The whole political landscape continues to slide to the right.
from cjpme.org :

Jury still out concerning Mulcair’s social-democrat credentials

Montreal, March 20, 2012 — As revealed in two recent analyses, Thomas Mulcair’s bid for the
NDP leadership has attracted support from various corporate figures typically hostile to NDP
policies. In two analyses, one by Canadian Peace Alliance co-chair Derrick O’Keefe, and the other
by Independent Jewish Voices, it was revealed that prominent corporate leaders had donated
generously to Mulcair’s leadership campaign. Among those figures are billionaire Gerald Schwartz
(CEO, Onex Corporation), Anthony Munk (Barrick Gold Corporation, Onex Corporation), Seth
Mersky (Onex), David Mansell (Onex), Andrew Sheiner (Onex), John Sherrington (VP, Scotia
Capital), Richard Venn (Executive VP, CIBC World Markets), and Daniel Daviau (Canaccord
Financial Inc.) Schwartz and other Onex executives are known to have close ties to the
Conservative Party.
Although leadership bid donations from the well-heeled are not unheard of even in the NDP, it is
unusual that such a large cluster of senior figures from Canada’s corporate elite are backing
Mulcair. Such a phalanx of corporate supporters elicits questions as to Mulcair’s willingness to
ardently defend social democratic principles and values. Mulcair’s credentials as a social democrat
were already suspect, following revelations that he had considered joining the Federal
Conservatives at the same time that he was negotiating his move to the Federal NDP. Former party
leader Ed Broadbent recently questioned the direction Mulcair will lead the party, including his
ability to build a cohesive team. Broadbent pointed out that 90 percent of the caucus colleagues
who worked with Mulcair in the 2008-11 period are supporting other candidates in the current
leadership race.
Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East (CJPME) urges NDP members to scrutinize the
positions of the leadership candidates, not only on the Middle East, but in other areas as well. “On a
number of issues, the NDP has frequently brought positive pressure on past governments because of
its foundation of principles. It would be tragic indeed if the new leader – whether Mulcair or
someone else – chose to depart from those core values,” says CJPME President Thomas Woodley.
CJPME points out how ironic it would be if the NDP were to be led by a person who seems to have
won the loyalty of Canada’s wealthiest 1 percent, just as, for the first time in history, a groundswell
of popular support has put the NDP into the Official Opposition.
CJPME notes that the NDP has plenty of political room to defend its long-standing policies on the
Middle East. Polling done in Canada by the BBC, for example, revealed that the percentage of
Canadians who believe that Canada should support Palestine’s admission to the UN is about twice
as high as the percentage who would oppose such a move. CJPME believes that the NDP, and
Canada’s other parties, must insist that all countries—including Israel—respect international law.

lukin2006 wrote:

Great question. I do not not know. Truthfully and maybe I'm crazy but I really started to think that Jack Layton had a real shot in the next election...people really liked Jack...

I have read that it's possible under the NDP's new leader that they could win the next election. He is a former Liberal so I suspect he'll take them more to the center and they'll replace the liberals.

Sometimes I wonder if far to many people take the attitude that "your better off with the devil you know, than the devil you don't know".

mulclair ran provincially liberal because in quebec there is no ndp party ... the progressive party would be the PQ but they are a separatist party ...

I guess it’s the idealist in me that protests the NDP filling a Liberal void. Let the Libs fill their own void…the last election showed that a lot of previous Lib supporters were willing to move further left to NDP ideological ground…voting for largely inexperienced MP’s was a value statement. I don’t think that is only a counter to Con power, but a testament to the fact that the Libs have moved too far right, pandering to the right in order to maintain their boy’s club status. The NDP doing the same only brings us closer to a merger, and essentially a two-party system. We need the NDP as a strong leftist voice to counter the Cons, or we are only doing them a favour…. in the big picture that’s a negative for Canada.
At the same time…I have to agree that the old ABC (anyone but cons) theory still stands.