Trayvon Martin

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  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    shadowcast wrote:
    puremagic wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    just courious....who and how many believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder ?..straight up guilty of capital murder and why," not to debate or argue anybodys opinion" just to see how many people believe Zimmerman is guilty with only the evidense given to us by the media. Godfather.


    1. Zimmerman reports a suspicious person to police

    2. Zimmerman tells police he’s following the person.
    -[Mobile phone+Vehicle]

    3. The police instruct Zimmerman not to pursue the person.
    -[Trayvon was not shot on Zimmerman’s property]

    4. Zimmerman ignores the police instructions and is armed following a suspicious person
    -[Trayvon was not shot on Zimmerman’s immediate property]

    5. Between the time the police are called (about the shooting) and arrive at the scene, Trayvon had been shot dead by Zimmerman.

    Did these 5 known facts warrant an investigation into the shooting?

    All this talk about Zimmerman isn’t a racist, and this is not like the Zimmerman I know. The same shit was said by the friends of the Jet Blue pilot who snapped. In the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, we don’t know what words were exchanged when Zimmerman confronted Trayvon or what took place during the fight, what we do know is 1 through 5. For me that’s manslaughter.
    Was told by 911 to back in which he says ok and walks back to his car.
    In a state where you are allowed to conceal and carry.
    Was getting beat up felt his life was in danger and shot him.
    I don't think there is a law against following somebody is there? I mean to reach stalker status you have to be caught doing it multiple times or make threats.

    The Stand Your Ground law is if YOU are in IMMEDIATE danger. Zimmerman wasn’t in any danger. He created a situation that placed him in danger, then used deadly force to get himself out of the situation.
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  • Monster Rain
    Monster Rain Posts: 1,415
    inmytree wrote:
    FYI, Technically Zimmerman is white... Hispanic is not a race...it's an ethnicity...anyhoo...so the f what if the kid was suspended from school...does that man folks can go hunt down kids kicked out of school...?

    This may be technically true, but does anyone really believe that Hispanics in America are treated equally compared to whites from European backgrounds? If someone named Pedro Sanchez is elected President do you think the story will be about the first Hispanic President or "just another white guy in office?" This story would not have been pick up by the media with the same frenzy if they knew from the start that Zimmerman's mother was Hispanic.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    inmytree wrote:
    Monster Rain wrote:
    I know, the reporting of this case is very frustrating. Edited versions of calls are being played on the news because it fits the story better to end the call with the dispatcher saying, "We don't need you to do that." When I first heard about this case I was 100% sure that Zimmerman killed Martin in cold blood. There was no mention of a struggle, there were mentions that Martin was crying out for help (and now there are reports that it was Zimmerman screaming for help, not Martin), and there was seemingly no effort made to present anything that might indicate Zimmerman was really acting in self-defense when he was shot nor was there anything said to contradict the assumption that someone named George Zimmerman was anything but 100% white. Now, there's stuff coming out that contradicts early reports or sheds new light on previously reported information and it's impossible to tell what's true and what's not. On top of that, the media is seeking out school records that are supposed to be private. I get the feeling that this story went from being about making sure justice was carried out whatever the outcome to being just another feeding frenzy for the sharks in the press that only care about getting the next scoop on everyone else even though nobody really gives a crap who got the information first anymore since it'll be all over the Internet and cable news within 5 minutes of the first report anyway. Racial tension in a news story equals ratings and when there's a death tossed into the mix then it becomes a gold mine and they'll keep it going for as long as they can without a care in the world about how their reporting will impact others. Tayvon's family has to explain why their dead son was suspended from school, as if they don't have enough to deal with right now. Zimmerman has a bounty on him from the New Black Panthers and he may not have even done anything wrong for all anyone really knows. As long as the papers keep flying off the newsstands, viewers keep tuning in for the latest new bit of leaked information, and the websites keep getting hits nothing else matters. :sick:

    FYI, Technically Zimmerman is white... Hispanic is not a race...it's an ethnicity...anyhoo...so the f what if the kid was suspended from school...does that man folks can go hunt down kids kicked out of school...?

    Zimmerman placed himself in harms way....he followed this kid...he did not wait for the police...he's should be charged and tried in a court of law...only then will justice be served....
    as far as the "hunt kids kicked out of school"comment..we all know better than that but what the defense will do is use that show Trayvons character and how he is prone to trouble...not saying that's the case but in court it will be.


    Godfather.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    unsung wrote:
    The public lynching of Zimmerman is exactly why racism will never die. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would have to find honest work.
    Ha! Thanks for the smile in the midst of this heavy topic.
  • drinkbigredinstead
    drinkbigredinstead Posts: 2,240
    shadowcast wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    just courious....who and how many believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder ?..straight up guilty of capital murder and why," not to debate or argue anybodys opinion" just to see how many people believe Zimmerman is guilty with only the evidense given to us by the media.


    Godfather.
    Leaning towards not guilty. I think Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked pulled his gun and shot him. Or while getting his ass kicked his shirt pulls up Martin sees the gun and goes for it (Can't really blame him becasue he was probably thinking it's me or him). But Zimmerman gets it out and shoots him in the chest.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    shadowcast wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    I think protesting Conceal & Carry more than anything.


    Yawn
    All for having a gun at your house. I don't think it is wise to let the common man bring them out into public.


    We can agree to disagree. I don't believe the right to defend yourself ends at your front door.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    surveillance video from stanford police station of zimmerman...now it's not vividly clear, but i don't see any wounds on his head either front or back

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-z ... e-16024475
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-z ... e-16024475

    well this sure throws a wrench into zimmerman's innocence. where's the blood from a broken nose? where's anything to stop the bleeding, or swelling, or anything? where's the cut on the back of his head? shit's getting crazier.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    RW81233 wrote:
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475

    well this sure throws a wrench into zimmerman's innocence. where's the blood from a broken nose? where's anything to stop the bleeding, or swelling, or anything? where's the cut on the back of his head? shit's getting crazier.

    I saw that video also, Not saying this is the case but I've had a broken nose from a puck and from a rocket 70 mph fast pitch softball. In both cases I didn't bleed one drop of blood, swelling yes, I was amazed at this. I did however in both cases had a broken nose I let it heal on it's own without any surgery or medication.

    A week later a teammate got a slow tap on the nose from a softball and broke it in 8 places=surgery and a nose cast...never saw so much blood in ages. I gather it depended on the place where you get hit.

    That said the key I think will be what is Zimmerman's story WHEN he shot Martin. If he's on the ground being pounded by Martin then fires the fatal shot THEN there should be some upward tragetory of the bullet through Martin...if there's not then Zimmerman better have a good explaination why that shot doesn't add up. :?:

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  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    g under p wrote:
    RW81233 wrote:
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475

    well this sure throws a wrench into zimmerman's innocence. where's the blood from a broken nose? where's anything to stop the bleeding, or swelling, or anything? where's the cut on the back of his head? shit's getting crazier.

    I saw that video also, Not saying this is the case but I've had a broken nose from a puck and from a rocket 70 mph fast pitch softball. In both cases I didn't bleed one drop of blood, swelling yes, I was amazed at this. I did however in both cases had a broken nose I let it heal on it's own without any surgery or medication.

    A week later a teammate got a slow tap on the nose from a softball and broke it in 8 places=surgery and a nose cast...never saw so much blood in ages. I gather it depended on the place where you get hit.

    That said the key I think will be what is Zimmerman's story WHEN he shot Martin. If he's on the ground being pounded by Martin then fires the fatal shot THEN there should be some upward tragetory of the bullet through Martin...if there's not then Zimmerman better have a good explaination why that shot doesn't add up. :?:

    Peace
    yeah i've been waiting on the ballistics from the gun. at the same time he claimed an injury to the back of the head, even if your nose thing holds up there is nothing on the back of his head.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,218
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    if you have a broken nose I don't care how big you are...unless you are trained, and even if you are, you very well may be completely debilitated. I have seen it happen to professional fighters in sparring sessions I was involved in, seen it in fights. it happens. people lose all composure and ability when that nose goes boom. Size really isn't an indicator of what will happen in a fight. Size is an inherent advantage if you can use it, show me this guy has anything but a cursory knowledge of krav maga or some shit like that and I would be shocked if he would have felt compelled to use a gun, so I think we can assume he is untrained...and that size difference is all but nullified if someone's nose is broken.
    that is, if his nose was actually broken as i have heard and read...he probably wouldn't have been able to see well, and the amount of blood that comes from a broken nose is staggering...
    but that is kind of off topic in a way.
    i can attest to this. i have had my broken noses repaired twice. after the second surgery i broke it again sparring, helping a friend train for an mma fight...each time mine was broken i teared up so bad i could not see what was in front of me. i could not breathe out of my nose, and i bled like a stuck pig. in a fight i had to cover up and disengage or else i would have gotten really beat up.

    as an athletic trainer i have seen at least 15 broken noses over the years. in my experience all of them bleed. some bleed out the nostrils, some bleed down the throat. it just depends how it was broken and the blood vessels involved. you don't always get black eyes with a broken nose, but it happens fairly often. again, they all bleed it just depends on the mechanism of injury and the vessels involved. also, the thing that people are overlooking, is in a lot of cases, if you get hit hard enough in the nose and your head jerks one way or hits the ground, you can also get a concussion.

    if zimmerman had a broken nose and his symptoms were anything like mine or the ones i have dealt with, he would have so many tears in his eyes that he could not properly see to aim the gun, rather he would have to aim it in the direction of trayvon. he would have had to point and shoot as opposeed to aim and shoot him in the chest. also, if he has a concussion he would have a foggy recollection of the events, so it is quite possible he does not recall every detail. they are gonna have to subpoena his medical records because if he had sustained blows to the head the hospital would have evaluated him for concussion as well..
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    There is an elderly couple now receiving death threats that can't go home
    they had to move into a hotel!
    why in the world would somebody tweet an address they thought was Zimmerman's ...

    just wanting more violence?

    and not the right address :? Good lord

    haters making more hate
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    puremagic wrote:

    The Stand Your Ground law is if YOU are in IMMEDIATE danger. Zimmerman wasn’t in any danger. He created a situation that placed him in danger, then used deadly force to get himself out of the situation.

    exactly...

    I don't understand why folks can't understand this...

    If Zimmerman simply calls the cops, shared his concerns, and moved on...that kid would be alive today...
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    pandora wrote:
    There is an elderly couple now receiving death threats that can't go home
    they had to move into a hotel!
    why in the world would somebody tweet an address they thought was Zimmerman's ...

    just wanting more violence?

    and not the right address :? Good lord

    haters making more hate


    Bullshit – I’d make him buy me a new home somewhere my family would be safe and out of this mess. Sometimes an apology is NOT ENOUGH, especially, when it endangers not only this family's lives, but, remember the Stand You Ground law is still the law, so other people are now at risk also. What an egotisical asswipe.


    LEE APOLOGISES FOR PUBLISHING COUPLE'S ADDRESS


    2012-03-29 13:17:13 -
    Hollywood director SPIKE LEE has issued an apology to an elderly Florida couple after he published their address on the internet in connection with the death of teenager Trayvon Martin.
    The moviemaker thought he was retweeting the address of neighbourhood watch volunteer, George Zimmerman, who shot Martin dead in a Florida gated community on 26 February (12), sparking outrage and protests across the U.S.
    However, the address he posted to his Twitter.com page was actually the home of Elaine and David McClain, who have a son named William George Zimmerman - no relation to the Zimmerman involved in the shooting case.
    The McClains claim they have been forced to leave their property after receiving threats and Lee has now apologised for wrongly publishing their address online.
    In a post on Twitter.com, he writes, "I deeply apologise to the McClain Family for retweeting their address. It was a mistake. please leave the McClain's (sic) in peace."
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,218
    spike lee is a dumbass. retweeting that address was just reckless and uncalled for.

    i understand his frustration, but this is not the appropriate way to go about expressing it...

    i am sure he could be sued for some kind of reckless endangerment or libel or something.
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  • Monster Rain
    Monster Rain Posts: 1,415
    puremagic wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    There is an elderly couple now receiving death threats that can't go home
    they had to move into a hotel!
    why in the world would somebody tweet an address they thought was Zimmerman's ...

    just wanting more violence?

    and not the right address :? Good lord

    haters making more hate


    Bullshit – I’d make him buy me a new home somewhere my family would be safe and out of this mess. Sometimes an apology is NOT ENOUGH, especially, when it endangers not only this family's lives, but, remember the Stand You Ground law is still the law, so other people are now at risk also. What an egotisical asswipe.


    LEE APOLOGISES FOR PUBLISHING COUPLE'S ADDRESS


    2012-03-29 13:17:13 -
    Hollywood director SPIKE LEE has issued an apology to an elderly Florida couple after he published their address on the internet in connection with the death of teenager Trayvon Martin.
    The moviemaker thought he was retweeting the address of neighbourhood watch volunteer, George Zimmerman, who shot Martin dead in a Florida gated community on 26 February (12), sparking outrage and protests across the U.S.
    However, the address he posted to his Twitter.com page was actually the home of Elaine and David McClain, who have a son named William George Zimmerman - no relation to the Zimmerman involved in the shooting case.
    The McClains claim they have been forced to leave their property after receiving threats and Lee has now apologised for wrongly publishing their address online.
    In a post on Twitter.com, he writes, "I deeply apologise to the McClain Family for retweeting their address. It was a mistake. please leave the McClain's (sic) in peace."
    Author:
    Hossam Abdel-Kader
    e-mail
    Web: http://www.pr-inside.com/
    Telefon: +43 1 9582319

    He can apologize all he wants but unless that apology comes with a check it's a little too late to undo the damage he helped cause. All it takes is one idiot who read the original tweet to not read the follow-up saying it was the wrong house to do something stupid. Even if it had been the correct address, why would you put it out there for everyone to see like that? Did he ever stop and think that someone might take that as a call to violence against Zimmerman? Even if it turns out that Zimmerman is guilty, what good would it do for some idiot on Twitter to go and kill him instead of letting him wind up rotting in a prison cell? Vigilante justice has no place in our society.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    edited March 2012
    "It only bolsters our claim that George Zimmerman was not beaten to the point that he feared for his life, as he had indicated. This armed vigilante needs to be arrested immediately for the murder of Trayvon Martin."



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/28/po ... z1qVqkysy2

    at what point of being beaten do you fear for your life ?...first punch ?.. first threat ?
    and the lawyer used the word "vigilante" so does that mean that they know of Trayvons crimanial character ?


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  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,336
    norm wrote:
    surveillance video from stanford police station of zimmerman...now it's not vividly clear, but i don't see any wounds on his head either front or back

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-z ... e-16024475
    Here is some images of a wound to his head. I also heard a good point last night that why wouldn't the "Stand your ground law" apply to Martin in this case. I mean you have a guy following him with a gun. Could be Martin was standing his ground.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/polic ... ad-injury/
  • Monster Rain
    Monster Rain Posts: 1,415
    RW81233 wrote:
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475

    well this sure throws a wrench into zimmerman's innocence. where's the blood from a broken nose? where's anything to stop the bleeding, or swelling, or anything? where's the cut on the back of his head? shit's getting crazier.

    You have to keep in mind that paramedics treated Zimmerman at the scene before he was taken to the police station for questioning, so it would be very odd if he was still bleeding heavily enough to be seen clearly in that video (and there does appear to be a line on the back of his head that could be from a laceration). Also, you can see the one officer checking the back of his head as though he's making sure he's not still bleeding.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,218
    i don't see any blood on his clothing, not even trayvon's. seems to me if trayvon was on top of him and zimmerman shot him, gravity would make blood flow onto zimmerman. if he was in very close proximity to zimmerman, wouldn't there at least be a splatter on zimmerman??

    there should be blood on him. either his from the wound to the back of the head or broken nose, or trayvon's blood if trayvon was on top of him at the time of the shooting.
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