Trayvon Martin

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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Jeanwah wrote:
    acoustic guy wrote:
    For all the Trayvon supporters.....
    You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
    You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
    All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.

    Let's list the facts of the case, shall we?
    Zimmerman shot his gun at Martin, and Martin died.

    Need any more facts?

    why did he shoot is gun ? that will be huge in this investigation and so far he has done nothing legally wrong it seems.

    Godfather.
  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,336
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    Yeah it does.[/quote]

    no it doesn't ... i am asking you if you are being followed - is that grounds for being threatened ... i didn't ask you what you would do ...[/quote]
    No. I would keep walking and mind my business.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Godfather. wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    acoustic guy wrote:
    For all the Trayvon supporters.....
    You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
    You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
    All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.

    Let's list the facts of the case, shall we?
    Zimmerman shot his gun at Martin, and Martin died.

    Need any more facts?

    why did he shoot is gun ? that will be huge in this investigation and so far he has done nothing legally wrong it seems.

    Godfather.

    You know what, if Zimmerman hadnt called 911, I bet he would definitely have gotten away with it. Sadly, I think he will still get away with it, depending upon the testimony of witnesses and if they are able to tell who that was screaming on the tape.
    Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher and created a stalking situation. If he hadnt pursued Treyvon, none of this would've happened. Zimmermans record for having a craving for overzealous citizen patrol is is only undoing.
    Sadly, I think most people know this was at the very least manslaughter...but Zimmerman will be partying it up with Casey Anthony before we know it.
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Godfather. wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    acoustic guy wrote:
    For all the Trayvon supporters.....
    You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
    You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
    All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.

    Let's list the facts of the case, shall we?
    Zimmerman shot his gun at Martin, and Martin died.

    Need any more facts?

    why did he shoot is gun ? that will be huge in this investigation and so far he has done nothing legally wrong it seems.

    Godfather.

    You can't be serious. He killed a man with his gun, and you think that legally it's not wrong? Forget motives and think facts here. A man is dead, and this guy Zimmerman caused it.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    shadowcast wrote:
    No. I would keep walking and mind my business.

    sooo ... you know you are being followed ... the guy shows up in front of you and you don't consider yourself to be in danger?
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,315
    polaris_x wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    No. I would keep walking and mind my business.

    sooo ... you know you are being followed ... the guy shows up in front of you and you don't consider yourself to be in danger?
    I would feel in danger at that point.

    Do we know the alleged details on what set the encounter off yet? Did Zimmerman directly confront him? Was he walking a few feet behind? Was he ten feet behind? Across the road?

    I'm going to let the investigation work itself out before judgement day.
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  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,336
    Police report.

    http://media.sandiego6.com/documents/sd ... report.pdf
  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,336
    edited March 2012
    polaris_x wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    No. I would keep walking and mind my business.

    sooo ... you know you are being followed ... the guy shows up in front of you and you don't consider yourself to be in danger?
    Where are you getting the information that the zimmerman showed up in front? I have yet to see that. Please post it. I have read that Zimmerman after being instructed that he was to back down did just that and was walking back to his truck. Then was rushed by Martin coming from his back left. Let me repeat that back left.
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    acoustic guy wrote:
    For all the Trayvon supporters.....
    You dont know what the hell you are talking about. ZERO.
    You dont know anything regarding the true facts of this case. You are making opinions based on a Liberal filter and speclations.
    All this racist bullshit thats being brought into this is fucked up. Learn about what the truth is then open your mouth. And sadly that wont come out until the trial.

    I'm waiting to hear more details, but it might be that a person who shot and killed someone is the only one who can provide those details. But dont jump down our throats for criticizing this. True facts? Someone is dead. And that person wouldnt be dead if Zimmerman had followed the orders of the 911 operator. He created a stalking scenario, and it was unnecessary.
    We know these FACTS:
    Treyvon is DEAD.
    He had skittles and an Iced Tea.

    btw, I think most of us have realized that the racism issue is out the door in lieu of the difficulty of determining how Zimmerman approached Martin, and why.
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  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    racism may not have been the motive behind the killing but the lack of police activity around what seems to be a case worth at least delving into seems telling no?
  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,336
    Jason P wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    No. I would keep walking and mind my business.

    sooo ... you know you are being followed ... the guy shows up in front of you and you don't consider yourself to be in danger?
    I would feel in danger at that point.

    Do we know the alleged details on what set the encounter off yet? Did Zimmerman directly confront him? Was he walking a few feet behind? Was he ten feet behind? Across the road?

    I'm going to let the investigation work itself out before judgement day.
    Thank you Jason. This is all I am trying to say. Is before we have a Witch Hunt let's get the facts first. People are rushing to judgment way to fast this sad story.

    In other news thirty-three homicides have been recorded so far in March in Chicago one being a six year old girl.
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    shadowcast wrote:
    puremagic wrote:
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    A broken nose and the back of his skull smashed into the ground...
    Seems like the dead man was rather violent no?


    I can’t understand why people don’t think this teen had a right to fight for his life? This wasn’t a police officer following this teen; it was a man with a gun.

    Zimmerman did not shot him under the original guidelines of the ‘stand your ground’ law, because he didn’t confronted the teen until after he started pursued him.

    Zimmerman created a stalker situation, whereby, it was Zimmerman, an ordinary citizen, pursuing a teen, with a gun. At this point, this teen, and any other person, has the right to defend themselves.

    Zimmerman wasn’t prepared for this teen to fight for his life, so he killed him and claimed self-defense by reason of the ‘stand your ground’ law.

    These State legislators are asking ordinary people to judge a person’s state of mind when it’s in an agitated state, even law enforcement have SPECIAL UNITS to handle these types of situations.

    There are so many everyday things that piss us off and make us confront a person to let them know what a complete asswipe they are – for that – do you deserve to die? Now that people understand these ‘stand your ground and make my day laws’, game on.
    From the reports Zimmerman wasn’t flashing his gun around. If Trayvon threw the first punch, Zimmerman will have a case of self-defense. If Zimmerman initiated physical contact before Trayvon, then Zimmerman is guilty of murder. This detail only Zimmerman knows.
    This is a tragedy.
    For everyone asking for Zimmerman's arrest, what would you charge him with? At this point not much will stick...

    This is a classic example of an incident that could have easily been avoided by either party involved, had both used just a little common sense.

    Zimmerman, should have stayed in his car and on the phone with the dispatcher, instead of getting out and following the kid. Which is what he was supposed to do.

    Trayvon, should have used his head the moment he noticed someone following him, and moved to a well lit open area and called the police himself to report as much. This is what your supposed to do if you find yourself in this kind of situation.


    At this point – reports of Zimmerman not flashing his gun is hearsay. No one has come forwarded with any ‘I was right there and here is what I saw’ account of the initial confrontation between these two; at this point, Zimmerman’s creditability is shot. The only thing working in Zimmerman’s legal favor is the fact that the police didn’t do an investigation and critical evidence was lost.

    Trayvon, for no other reason than his appearance was already being stalked by Zimmerman, Suppose Trayvon had called the police - Do you think Zimmerman would have believed or even cared Trayvon had called the police, given that Zimmerman, himself, had ignored police instructions not to pursue Trayvon.

    WTF do you think would have happen had Trayvon called the police, knowing what you know in hindsight? Do you think a black teen, in a dark area (as you seemingly described) would have had a chance to convince police, he was unarmed, had a bag of candy and was heading home? Trayvon would still be dead.

    The moment Zimmerman got out of his vehicle, after being warned by law enforcement not to do so, he was well outside the protection of the stand your ground law and nothing more than a common stalker – to which Trayvon had every right to protect himself from Zimmerman. Funny, that you would mention that Trayvon should have moved to a well-lit area – because a lone, law enforcement officer is instructed not to pursue a suspect into a dark area without backup. Of the several reasons the two that relate here is a) you don’t know if the suspect has a weapon or friends waiting, and 2) an investigation to determine if the use of deadly force was justified. Yet, for the same reasons a police officer doesn’t pursue a suspect into a dark area, Zimmerman did and no one gave it a second thought when a person was killed.


    The law is flawed.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    shadowcast wrote:
    Where are you getting the information that the Martin showed up in front? I have yet to see that. Please post it. I have read that Zimmerman after being instructed that he was to back down did just that and was walking back to his truck. Then was rushed by Martin coming from his back left. Let me repeat that back left.

    from his girlfriend who he was talking to while being followed by zimmerman:
    He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man...I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run.

    Trayvon said, 'What, are you following me for,' and the man said, 'What are you doing here.' Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn't answer the phone.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    I would feel in danger at that point.

    Do we know the alleged details on what set the encounter off yet? Did Zimmerman directly confront him? Was he walking a few feet behind? Was he ten feet behind? Across the road?

    I'm going to let the investigation work itself out before judgement day.

    well ... this is my point ... if you feel like your life is in danger ... what are your options when confronted!? ...

    say zimmerman was walking away and going back to his suv ... who's to say he wasn't to go get a shotgun or bat or some weapon ... all you know at that point is some guy is following you at night with no one around ...
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,315
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    I would feel in danger at that point.

    Do we know the alleged details on what set the encounter off yet? Did Zimmerman directly confront him? Was he walking a few feet behind? Was he ten feet behind? Across the road?

    I'm going to let the investigation work itself out before judgement day.

    well ... this is my point ... if you feel like your life is in danger ... what are your options when confronted!? ...

    say zimmerman was walking away and going back to his suv ... who's to say he wasn't to go get a shotgun or bat or some weapon ... all you know at that point is some guy is following you at night with no one around ...
    Everything is speculation at this point. But in such a scenario I would get the hell out of there, especially if I thought the person was going to get a weapon.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    shadowcast wrote:
    No. I would keep walking and mind my business.

    I call bullshit...
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,841
    puremagic wrote:
    WTF do you think would have happen had Trayvon called the police, knowing what you know in hindsight? Do you think a black teen, in a dark area (as you seemingly described) would have had a chance to convince police, he was unarmed, had a bag of candy and was heading home? Trayvon would still be dead.

    I'm not sure I follow you. How would he still be dead if he had called police and they showed up and he had a chance to convince them ....etc?
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,841
    inmytree wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    No. I would keep walking and mind my business.

    I call bullshit...

    Pretty sure I would have started to run.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    Everything is speculation at this point. But in such a scenario I would get the hell out of there, especially if I thought the person was going to get a weapon.

    oh yeah ... for sure all speculation ...
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    cincybearcat wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    No. I would keep walking and mind my business.

    I call bullshit...

    Pretty sure I would have started to run.

    me too...or at least dial 911

    edit: sadly at this point, everything is wouda coulda shoulda...

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