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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    fife wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    you can't fix the defensive problems this team has overnight ...

    actually you won't be able to fix these problem in my guess for another year. the talent is just not there

    the talent is definitely there to make the playoffs ... hockey is the ultimate in the "team" aspect of team sports ... our defense which is at the core of our problems is young and haven't been together all that long ... gardiner, liles, and gunnarson are all playing big minutes but have struggled working with schenn and phaneuk and komisarek ..

    all the teams that are doing well - have had some significant continuity amongst their core players ...

    While I am not a leaf fan, i watch almost every game as long as the flyers are not playing at the same time.

    While I like Gardiner and liles, I don't see a shutdown line and that is what most teams have. when you look a the teams playing well they have a shut down top 2 d-man and I don't see Toronto with that. Schenn looks lost and while yes he is young he seems to be getting worse every year which is not a good sign. I have always thought that Dion was not that good of a player but maybe a ok 2nd line d-man.

    Now that maybe all Wilson issues but I don't know and if next year the D improves i will say that I am wrong but I don't think I will have too. and the biggest issue is the goaltending, like the saying goes "show me a good defense and I will show you a good defense" (yes i know that the saying is not completely right)
  • IgotshitID
    IgotshitID St.john's Newfoundland Posts: 895
    This is the first time in years that I actually thought they would make the playoffs, so bummed out now
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    IgotshitID wrote:
    This is the first time in years that I actually thought they would make the playoffs, so bummed out now

    so here is a question for all of you guys, would you rather now fight for the playoffs (if even possible) or are you all joining tank nation?
  • BLACK35
    BLACK35 Hanover, Ontario Posts: 22,977
    I'm still fighting for a playoff spot, but that is just my competitive spirit kicking in, until we are mathamatically eliminated, I never give up hope.
    Although I think it is very much a lost cause in getting to the playoff dance, I'm just greatful they beat the Sens last night (God I can't stand the Sens :twisted: )
    To Graboski :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: for standing up for the rookie. Ashton better be buying him a very nice meal.
    2005 - London
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    2010 - Buffalo
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    2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
    2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
    2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1
    2018 - Fenway 1&2
    2022 - Hamilton, Toronto
    2023 - Chicago 1&2
    2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
  • Phantom Pain
    Phantom Pain Posts: 9,876
    BLACK35 wrote:
    I'm still fighting for a playoff spot, but that is just my competitive spirit kicking in, until we are mathamatically eliminated, I never give up hope.
    Although I think it is very much a lost cause in getting to the playoff dance, I'm just greatful they beat the Sens last night (God I can't stand the Sens :twisted: )
    To Graboski :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: for standing up for the rookie. Ashton better be buying him a very nice meal.
    Leafs chances of making playoffs double to 1.7%. To get there, they'll likely have to go 8-1-1 or 9-1-0 for 89 or 90 points.

    "So you're saying there's a chance...."

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  • BLACK35
    BLACK35 Hanover, Ontario Posts: 22,977
    Phantom Pain wrote:
    BLACK35 wrote:
    I'm still fighting for a playoff spot, but that is just my competitive spirit kicking in, until we are mathamatically eliminated, I never give up hope.
    Although I think it is very much a lost cause in getting to the playoff dance, I'm just greatful they beat the Sens last night (God I can't stand the Sens :twisted: )
    To Graboski :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: for standing up for the rookie. Ashton better be buying him a very nice meal.
    Leafs chances of making playoffs double to 1.7%. To get there, they'll likely have to go 8-1-1 or 9-1-0 for 89 or 90 points.

    "So you're saying there's a chance...."

    :wink:

    Right now, there is technically still a chance :lol: But likely another season of cheering for the Pens in the playoffs :x
    2005 - London
    2009 - Toronto
    2010 - Buffalo
    2011 - Toronto 1&2
    2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
    2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
    2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1
    2018 - Fenway 1&2
    2022 - Hamilton, Toronto
    2023 - Chicago 1&2
    2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    too little too late ... :(

    there was talent enough to make the playoffs this year but it was flawed ... mainly by coaching ... crikey - if the first thing the new coach does is increase the fitness on the team - you know it's real bad ... i've always wondered why they friggin' stood still on defense ... well, it's cuz they had no gas ... brutal ...

    oh and fife ... i don't think they should tank ... even if they try - they will still probably get a decent draft pick this year considering how well every other team is playing ...
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    From last night game, does anyone really believe that this team is anywhere close to a playoff team?

    that was one of the worse games i Have EVER seen in my life.

    I just want to see if there is a Fire Burke chant today. This team has no heart and very little talent.

    I just want to see how leafs fan are going to react when Kessel decides that he doesn't want to play here in 2 years.
  • uninnocent-
    uninnocent- Posts: 5,959
    I still believe there's some talent and some heart, but not enough of either to be regarded as a serious team. Last night was just plain embarrassing and there wasn't a single positive to take away from it.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    fife wrote:
    From last night game, does anyone really believe that this team is anywhere close to a playoff team?

    that was one of the worse games i Have EVER seen in my life.

    I just want to see if there is a Fire Burke chant today. This team has no heart and very little talent.

    I just want to see how leafs fan are going to react when Kessel decides that he doesn't want to play here in 2 years.

    I thought they might have been a playoff contender. But agree this team is no where near close to being a playoff team. Burke has been there 4 years and this is the team he put together :lol::lol:.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    lukin2006 wrote:
    fife wrote:
    From last night game, does anyone really believe that this team is anywhere close to a playoff team?

    that was one of the worse games i Have EVER seen in my life.

    I just want to see if there is a Fire Burke chant today. This team has no heart and very little talent.

    I just want to see how leafs fan are going to react when Kessel decides that he doesn't want to play here in 2 years.

    I thought they might have been a playoff contender. But agree this team is no where near close to being a playoff team. Burke has been there 4 years and this is the team he put together :lol::lol:.

    I always knew that this team was not a playoff team. the defense is so weak and over paid. leaf management put way to much stock in Reimer and the forwards are very small and while yes they are fast, they do not have any heart.

    after the komi fight, the leafs showed no heart and no battle to try to even do something.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    fife wrote:
    I always knew that this team was not a playoff team. the defense is so weak and over paid. leaf management put way to much stock in Reimer and the forwards are very small and while yes they are fast, they do not have any heart.

    after the komi fight, the leafs showed no heart and no battle to try to even do something.

    i disagree ... there was enough talent to make the playoffs this year ... in the end - they will miss the playoffs probably by like 4-6 pts ... that's not a lot ...
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    fife wrote:
    I always knew that this team was not a playoff team. the defense is so weak and over paid. leaf management put way to much stock in Reimer and the forwards are very small and while yes they are fast, they do not have any heart.

    after the komi fight, the leafs showed no heart and no battle to try to even do something.

    i disagree ... there was enough talent to make the playoffs this year ... in the end - they will miss the playoffs probably by like 4-6 pts ... that's not a lot ...

    almost making the playoffs will not win championships...Burke is not that great of a GM...he really hasn't won anywhere...he took over the Ducks and most of the Championship pieces were in place...same as Carlyle he took over from Babcock. It shouldn't take 4 years to get into the playoffs, he has had plenty of time to turn it around...leaf fans should still be pissed that Burke traded 2 first round picks for Kessel...
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    St. Louis Blues are surprising first entrants into NHL postseason

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ell ... 138.column

    If Leaf fans don't think turn around's quickly are possible just look at St. Louis...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 wrote:
    St. Louis Blues are surprising first entrants into NHL postseason

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ell ... 138.column

    If Leaf fans don't think turn around's quickly are possible just look at St. Louis...

    no kidding ... it's all about team play and good coaching ... the leafs were out of shape and badly coached this year ... they were in the playoff picture really through talent ...
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    St. Louis Blues are surprising first entrants into NHL postseason

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ell ... 138.column

    If Leaf fans don't think turn around's quickly are possible just look at St. Louis...

    no kidding ... it's all about team play and good coaching ... the leafs were out of shape and badly coached this year ... they were in the playoff picture really through talent ...

    I agree coaching was a huge part of their problem...but Burke stuck with Wilson...that's on Burke...I assume Burke attended many practices...did he not see that they were out of shape? he attended games...did he not see how poor defensively they are? how they lacked team work? that is all on him...he was hired to make those decisions about coaching.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 wrote:
    I agree coaching was a huge part of their problem...but Burke stuck with Wilson...that's on Burke...I assume Burke attended many practices...did he not see that they were out of shape? he attended games...did he not see how poor defensively they are? how they lacked team work? that is all on him...he was hired to make those decisions about coaching.

    yeah i agree ... but the team was in the playoff picture through most of the season ... you can't really fire a guy when he's got you into the playoffs (or at least appeared to) ...
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    fife wrote:
    I always knew that this team was not a playoff team. the defense is so weak and over paid. leaf management put way to much stock in Reimer and the forwards are very small and while yes they are fast, they do not have any heart.

    after the komi fight, the leafs showed no heart and no battle to try to even do something.

    i disagree ... there was enough talent to make the playoffs this year ... in the end - they will miss the playoffs probably by like 4-6 pts ... that's not a lot ...

    4-6 points in the nhl now is actually alot considering the whole 3 point game.

    as you can tell, i don't think Toronto has that much talent and if you look at the playoff teams right now who would you say has less talent than the leafs.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    I agree coaching was a huge part of their problem...but Burke stuck with Wilson...that's on Burke...I assume Burke attended many practices...did he not see that they were out of shape? he attended games...did he not see how poor defensively they are? how they lacked team work? that is all on him...he was hired to make those decisions about coaching.

    yeah i agree ... but the team was in the playoff picture through most of the season ... you can't really fire a guy when he's got you into the playoffs (or at least appeared to) ...

    I think Burke should have fired Wilson after last season...but successful coach's sometime do get fired. I remember Detroit fired Dave Lewis after 2 48 win seasons and making the playoffs and Pittsburgh fired Michel Therrien and they were in the hunt. This year Boudreau...so there is precedent.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    fife wrote:
    4-6 points in the nhl now is actually alot considering the whole 3 point game.

    as you can tell, i don't think Toronto has that much talent and if you look at the playoff teams right now who would you say has less talent than the leafs.

    what do you mean by 3 point game?

    i think the issue is that there is a lot of parity in the leagure right now ... there's only 11 points separating playoffs and last in the eastern conference ... it's gonna be tight and a win here or there makes all the difference ...

    i believe talent is important but believe more in team play ... as well as continuity which is tied to team play ... i think the teams that are IN the playoffs have executed better as a team but that they are only a few bad games away from missing the playoffs ...

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