Is Eddie Still Supporting Obama??

PJ_Soul · March 2012

suninsomebodyelsesky wrote:

Callaway wrote:

Paradajzar wrote:

I mean, what happened to Ralph Nader Support?What happened to I am no republican, I am no democrat....I am A FREEEEDOOOM Party?!?!?!???

Sorry to post it here but its PJ love related:)

Cheeres

Nader had no chance of winning so a vote for Nader would be one less vote for Obama which could have made Sarah Palin vice president. Eddie is way to smart to be apart of that so he did the smart thing and supported the guy who could prevent morons from running the country. Michael Moore and most of Naders supporters did the same.

I chatted with Ralph at his book signing for "Seventeen Traditions" in 2007 and he pointed out that Eddie was the only one that called him personally to explain the shift in support.

That's awesome, Eddie kicks ass.

suninsomebodyelsesky · March 2012

bootlegger10 wrote:

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Well, the obvious has finally been confirmed... I think at this point all you Republicans should just take our word for it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... acist.html

@Sawyer: how are you even on this forum? I didn't know anyone so right-wing was a PJ fan. It goes against everything they and their music and their causes stand for. It's strange to see a 10C member with your line of thinking.

Right wingers aren't as intolerant as left wingers, apparently. These types of comments are funny to me. The so-called liberals that are accepting of all, keep asking how conservatives can like Pearl Jam. It is very ironic that the close-mind conservatives can like Pearl Jam even if they disagree with their politics, but the open-minded liberals would never give a conservative band a chance.

You're right. I would never give a conservative band a chance...

PJ_Soul · March 2012

suninsomebodyelsesky wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Well, the obvious has finally been confirmed... I think at this point all you Republicans should just take our word for it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... acist.html

@Sawyer: how are you even on this forum? I didn't know anyone so right-wing was a PJ fan. It goes against everything they and their music and their causes stand for. It's strange to see a 10C member with your line of thinking.

Right wingers aren't as intolerant as left wingers, apparently. These types of comments are funny to me. The so-called liberals that are accepting of all, keep asking how conservatives can like Pearl Jam. It is very ironic that the close-mind conservatives can like Pearl Jam even if they disagree with their politics, but the open-minded liberals would never give a conservative band a chance.

You're right. I would never give a conservative band a chance...

Yeah... but that's because conservatives stand for so much that is just WRONG as far as left-wingers are concerned. Seriously, I don't feel bad about being intolerant of what I find reprehensible. I don't want to give a chance to something I despise. No one should feel bad about that.
I hesitate to guess why conservatives might not feel the same way about liberal bands... Could be that a very strong majority of artists are in fact liberal (that's a fact), and they'd just be missing out on way too much great music and other art forms if they avoided them! Seriously! Or could it be that hearing people talk about peace and human rights, and against corruption and greed is just less abrasive than a neo-nazi band, or one that argues against universal health care and has an attitude of every man for himself! Gee, could that be it?

suninsomebodyelsesky · March 2012

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

O.B.A.M.A.

One Big Ass Mistake America..........again, worse than Andrew Johnson....but Republicans suck like Jefferson and Lincoln right?

You you regurgitate a more unoriginal line?
again.

This thread is hilarious.
Because Ed was so vocal about politics a few years back, i think a lot of us are wondering what he thinks these days. Its ok to be curious about this.. I wonder if it just wore him down. I mean, how many songs can you write about war and shit before it gets tiring? I'm glad they moved on to new ideas/material for Backspacer.

Me too. The business of politics wears down the spirit. Glad the boys reclaimed their spirits.

LikeAnOcean · March 2012

suninsomebodyelsesky wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Well, the obvious has finally been confirmed... I think at this point all you Republicans should just take our word for it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... acist.html

@Sawyer: how are you even on this forum? I didn't know anyone so right-wing was a PJ fan. It goes against everything they and their music and their causes stand for. It's strange to see a 10C member with your line of thinking.

Right wingers aren't as intolerant as left wingers, apparently. These types of comments are funny to me. The so-called liberals that are accepting of all, keep asking how conservatives can like Pearl Jam. It is very ironic that the close-mind conservatives can like Pearl Jam even if they disagree with their politics, but the open-minded liberals would never give a conservative band a chance.

You're right. I would never give a conservative band a chance...

what about the Ramones? Johnny Ramone was a Bush supporter and he and Ed were good friends. The Ramones are easily the second biggest inspiration for Pearl Jam and they are pretty conservative. I considered myself conservative in high school and was obsessed with Pearl Jam.

suninsomebodyelsesky · March 2012

JR86440 wrote:

I think Ed would really like Ron Paul!!

Umm, have you never seen the video from Pearl Jams MTV Unplugged segment ~1994?
Ron Paul is anti-choice...I must be missing the sarcasm here, right?

LikeAnOcean · March 2012

suninsomebodyelsesky wrote:

JR86440 wrote:

I think Ed would really like Ron Paul!!

Umm, have you never seen the video from Pearl Jams MTV Unplugged segment ~1994?
Ron Paul is anti-choice...I must be missing the sarcasm here, right?

Abortion will be of little importance when this country is driven into the ground with another war. Watch the economy fall apart. We won't have to worry about abortion being an issue because we will be more worried about starving to death.

I'd rather have abortion illegal than another war on our hands, and I'm pro choice.

PJ_Soul · March 2012

LikeAnOcean wrote:

suninsomebodyelsesky wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

Right wingers aren't as intolerant as left wingers, apparently. These types of comments are funny to me. The so-called liberals that are accepting of all, keep asking how conservatives can like Pearl Jam. It is very ironic that the close-mind conservatives can like Pearl Jam even if they disagree with their politics, but the open-minded liberals would never give a conservative band a chance.

You're right. I would never give a conservative band a chance...

what about the Ramones? Johnny Ramone was a Bush supporter and he and Ed were good friends. The Ramones are easily the second biggest inspiration for Pearl Jam and they are pretty conservative. I considered myself conservative in high school and was obsessed with Pearl Jam.

The Ramones didn't sing about their political beliefs. I think we're talking about bands that are actually spreading conservative messages. The Ramones never sang about their politics, nor did they get up on stage and talk about getting religion back in the White House and abortion out of the clinics, or publicly support the oil industry, etc etc (as opposed to Pearl Jam, who has always been really politically vocal through their music and otherwise). I don't care about band members' personal politics (I generally wouldn't have a clue then). I'm talking about if a band is actually stating their conservative causes through their music and otherwise. I couldn't deal with that, and wouldn't want my money going towards that either.

My whole family votes conservative and personally hold some views that I really disagree with (and find frustrating) ... doesn't mean I don't love them a lot... but if they started picketing abortion clinics and went to rallies about joining government and church or something, that would change things!!

PJ_Soul · March 2012

LikeAnOcean wrote:

suninsomebodyelsesky wrote:

JR86440 wrote:

I think Ed would really like Ron Paul!!

Umm, have you never seen the video from Pearl Jams MTV Unplugged segment ~1994?
Ron Paul is anti-choice...I must be missing the sarcasm here, right?

Abortion will be of little importance when this country is driven into the ground with another war. Watch the economy fall apart. We won't have to worry about abortion being an issue because we will be more worried about starving to death.

I'd rather have abortion illegal than another war on our hands, and I'm pro choice.

Okay... what does that have to do with Eddie and Ron Paul?? You think Ron Paul would end all war for America?

LikeAnOcean · March 2012

I'm willing to bet with Obama we will be at war with Iran.

With Paul we will not.Hes been pretty clear where and why he stands.

MG79478 · March 2012

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Yeah... but that's because conservatives stand for so much that is just WRONG as far as left-wingers are concerned. Seriously, I don't feel bad about being intolerant of what I find reprehensible. I don't want to give a chance to something I despise. No one should feel bad about that.
I hesitate to guess why conservatives might not feel the same way about liberal bands... Could be that a very strong majority of artists are in fact liberal (that's a fact), and they'd just be missing out on way too much great music and other art forms if they avoided them! Seriously! Or could it be that hearing people talk about peace and human rights, and against corruption and greed is just less abrasive than a neo-nazi band, or one that argues against universal health care and has an attitude of every man for himself! Gee, could that be it?

As a conservative, I am above the identity politics of liberals. I don’t categorize everyone and everything, such as liberal and conservative bands. I’m sure you despise conservatives and you shouldn’t feel bad about that, just as Hitler despised certain people. You are both liberals, as fascism is to the far left of the political spectrum. While on the subject of things that liberals don’t understand, let’s talk about peace and human rights. The liberal view of peace is that if you shut your eyes and wish for it, peace will happen. Or that if we just talk to the bad guys, they will see what they are doing is wrong. That strategy will not end well. How about human rights? First off, health care is not a right, it is a privilege. The best thing you can do for a human is teach him to fish, not give him a fish. It’s cruel to make people dependant on the government, just so that liberals can get elected. I think that is the definition of greed.

Plus I don’t listen to rich rock stars to form my political views; I learn them from studying the constitution, history, and current events.

peacefrompaul · March 2012

MG79478 wrote:

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Yeah... but that's because conservatives stand for so much that is just WRONG as far as left-wingers are concerned. Seriously, I don't feel bad about being intolerant of what I find reprehensible. I don't want to give a chance to something I despise. No one should feel bad about that.
I hesitate to guess why conservatives might not feel the same way about liberal bands... Could be that a very strong majority of artists are in fact liberal (that's a fact), and they'd just be missing out on way too much great music and other art forms if they avoided them! Seriously! Or could it be that hearing people talk about peace and human rights, and against corruption and greed is just less abrasive than a neo-nazi band, or one that argues against universal health care and has an attitude of every man for himself! Gee, could that be it?

As a conservative, I am above the identity politics of liberals. I don’t categorize everyone and everything, such as liberal and conservative bands. I’m sure you despise conservatives and you shouldn’t feel bad about that, just as Hitler despised certain people. You are both liberals, as fascism is to the far left of the political spectrum. While on the subject of things that liberals don’t understand, let’s talk about peace and human rights. The liberal view of peace is that if you shut your eyes and wish for it, peace will happen. Or that if we just talk to the bad guys, they will see what they are doing is wrong. That strategy will not end well. How about human rights? First off, health care is not a right, it is a privilege. The best thing you can do for a human is teach him to fish, not give him a fish. It’s cruel to make people dependant on the government, just so that liberals can get elected. I think that is the definition of greed.

Plus I don’t listen to rich rock stars to form my political views; I learn them from studying the constitution, history, and current events.

I agree, but....

You are advocating war instead of diplomacy? We really don't need to be involved in everybody's affairs. Is that really our place? Do we need to invade and then set up embassies and bases to become the policemen of the world? Sounds like fear to me. We need to stop being so afraid of the world.

vant0037 · March 2012

MG79478 wrote:

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Yeah... but that's because conservatives stand for so much that is just WRONG as far as left-wingers are concerned. Seriously, I don't feel bad about being intolerant of what I find reprehensible. I don't want to give a chance to something I despise. No one should feel bad about that.
I hesitate to guess why conservatives might not feel the same way about liberal bands... Could be that a very strong majority of artists are in fact liberal (that's a fact), and they'd just be missing out on way too much great music and other art forms if they avoided them! Seriously! Or could it be that hearing people talk about peace and human rights, and against corruption and greed is just less abrasive than a neo-nazi band, or one that argues against universal health care and has an attitude of every man for himself! Gee, could that be it?

As a conservative, I am above the identity politics of liberals. I don’t categorize everyone and everything, such as liberal and conservative bands. I’m sure you despise conservatives and you shouldn’t feel bad about that, just as Hitler despised certain people. You are both liberals, as fascism is to the far left of the political spectrum. While on the subject of things that liberals don’t understand, let’s talk about peace and human rights. The liberal view of peace is that if you shut your eyes and wish for it, peace will happen. Or that if we just talk to the bad guys, they will see what they are doing is wrong. That strategy will not end well. How about human rights? First off, health care is not a right, it is a privilege. The best thing you can do for a human is teach him to fish, not give him a fish. It’s cruel to make people dependant on the government, just so that liberals can get elected. I think that is the definition of greed.

Plus I don’t listen to rich rock stars to form my political views; I learn them from studying the constitution, history, and current events.

Oh the irony of saying you're "above the identity politics of liberals" and then comparing liberals to Hitler and qualifying their politics as "fascist."

Its easy to throw a snobby barb out there like "I don't listen to rich rock stars to form my political views, I learn them from studying the constitution, history and current events," the implication of course being that liberals do no such thing. Of course, you're just a name on a computer screen, and stating you've got the right of an argument by simply staking a claim to the Constitution (we liberals spell that baby with a capital "C"), history and current events is about as credible and authoritative as me saying the same fucking thing (hint: just saying something doesn't make it true!). And I'm a criminal prosecutor who has studied history and the Constitution (because you have to if you want to get a law degree) and I'm also a liberal. So where does that leave us? At the crossroads of modern political society, with two sides saying the same fucking thing and getting nowhere because of it.

If liberals are the problem, as you say, then so is the type of thinking you just spouted off.

PJ_Soul · March 2012

MG79478 wrote:

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Yeah... but that's because conservatives stand for so much that is just WRONG as far as left-wingers are concerned. Seriously, I don't feel bad about being intolerant of what I find reprehensible. I don't want to give a chance to something I despise. No one should feel bad about that.
I hesitate to guess why conservatives might not feel the same way about liberal bands... Could be that a very strong majority of artists are in fact liberal (that's a fact), and they'd just be missing out on way too much great music and other art forms if they avoided them! Seriously! Or could it be that hearing people talk about peace and human rights, and against corruption and greed is just less abrasive than a neo-nazi band, or one that argues against universal health care and has an attitude of every man for himself! Gee, could that be it?

As a conservative, I am above the identity politics of liberals. I don’t categorize everyone and everything, such as liberal and conservative bands. I’m sure you despise conservatives and you shouldn’t feel bad about that, just as Hitler despised certain people. You are both liberals, as fascism is to the far left of the political spectrum. While on the subject of things that liberals don’t understand, let’s talk about peace and human rights. The liberal view of peace is that if you shut your eyes and wish for it, peace will happen. Or that if we just talk to the bad guys, they will see what they are doing is wrong. That strategy will not end well. How about human rights? First off, health care is not a right, it is a privilege. The best thing you can do for a human is teach him to fish, not give him a fish. It’s cruel to make people dependant on the government, just so that liberals can get elected. I think that is the definition of greed.

Plus I don’t listen to rich rock stars to form my political views; I learn them from studying the constitution, history, and current events.

I disagree with every single thing you just said. It's just a bunch of right-wing rhetoric.

You said you don't categorize everyone, and then categorize liberals as people who despise Conservatives (after I said my whole family who I love is conservative), you say liberals shut their eyes and wish for peace (as far as I can see they work pretty hard for it and other things that work towards it), and call them greedy for considering health care a right, and then compare them to Hitler. Er, sounds like you're categorizing liberals pretty strongly. What's up with that??

As for health care... gimme a break. It makes me sick to my stomach that the US system allows people to go bankrupt because they get sick, or die because they can't afford an operation (even if they do sell everything they own). Hey, think that's fair all you want. I think it is DESPICABLE and DISGUSTING. Talk about greed... supporting a health care/health insurance system that literally benefits financially from withholding as much care as humanly possible, actually seeking out loopholes to get around providing it. How gross. How inhumane. How is withholding healthcare from someone who can't afford it because the insurance companies are money hungry teaching them anything? That makes no sense at all. All it does is ruin their lives because they're sick. That's it.

Finally, who in the world said anything about letting rock stars form their political views?? I form my political beliefs the same way you do (or, maybe not... sounds like you gobble up a lot more bullshit that I do in your extensive studies of the issues). Hey, guess what, conservatives aren't smarter than liberals (on the contrary, according to studies). I just appreciate music and high profile people who share those views and work to highlight them.

Well, whatever. Obviously, the two sides will never agree; they are too far apart. It's like they aren't even living in the same world anymore, and both sides seem completely mystified by the other side's stance (or, really what I've noticed is that both sides think the other is delusional! ... well, they couldn't all be right. I'll put my money on my own team!).

PJ_Soul · March 2012

vant0037 wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Yeah... but that's because conservatives stand for so much that is just WRONG as far as left-wingers are concerned. Seriously, I don't feel bad about being intolerant of what I find reprehensible. I don't want to give a chance to something I despise. No one should feel bad about that.
I hesitate to guess why conservatives might not feel the same way about liberal bands... Could be that a very strong majority of artists are in fact liberal (that's a fact), and they'd just be missing out on way too much great music and other art forms if they avoided them! Seriously! Or could it be that hearing people talk about peace and human rights, and against corruption and greed is just less abrasive than a neo-nazi band, or one that argues against universal health care and has an attitude of every man for himself! Gee, could that be it?

As a conservative, I am above the identity politics of liberals. I don’t categorize everyone and everything, such as liberal and conservative bands. I’m sure you despise conservatives and you shouldn’t feel bad about that, just as Hitler despised certain people. You are both liberals, as fascism is to the far left of the political spectrum. While on the subject of things that liberals don’t understand, let’s talk about peace and human rights. The liberal view of peace is that if you shut your eyes and wish for it, peace will happen. Or that if we just talk to the bad guys, they will see what they are doing is wrong. That strategy will not end well. How about human rights? First off, health care is not a right, it is a privilege. The best thing you can do for a human is teach him to fish, not give him a fish. It’s cruel to make people dependant on the government, just so that liberals can get elected. I think that is the definition of greed.

Plus I don’t listen to rich rock stars to form my political views; I learn them from studying the constitution, history, and current events.

Oh the irony of saying you're "above the identity politics of liberals" and then comparing liberals to Hitler and qualifying their politics as "fascist."

Its easy to throw a snobby barb out there like "I don't listen to rich rock stars to form my political views, I learn them from studying the constitution, history and current events," the implication of course being that liberals do no such thing. Of course, you're just a name on a computer screen, and stating you've got the right of an argument by simply staking a claim to the Constitution (we liberals spell that baby with a capital "C"), history and current events is about as credible and authoritative as me saying the same fucking thing (hint: just saying something doesn't make it true!). And I'm a criminal prosecutor who has studied history and the Constitution (because you have to if you want to get a law degree) and I'm also a liberal. So where does that leave us? At the crossroads of modern political society, with two sides saying the same fucking thing and getting nowhere because of it.

If liberals are the problem, as you say, then so is the type of thinking you just spouted off.

:thumbup:

JM84420 · March 2012

Is Eddie Still Supporting Obama?? Hell No! Eddie loves recessions and is still pissed we averted a depression. He also misses the days when we were losing 100k+ jobs monthly and the Dow was tanking below 7,000. Lastly, I know he wishes Bin Laden was never caught and wants to start another war in Iraq or whomever to find those elusive WMDs.

MG79478 · March 2012

peacefrompaul wrote:

I agree, but....

You are advocating war instead of diplomacy? We really don't need to be involved in everybody's affairs. Is that really our place? Do we need to invade and then set up embassies and bases to become the policemen of the world? Sounds like fear to me. We need to stop being so afraid of the world.

You bring up a very valid point. I don't think that the US should police the entire world. But when a threat to peace arises, we should take action.

vant0037 wrote:

Oh the irony of saying you're "above the identity politics of liberals" and then comparing liberals to Hitler and qualifying their politics as "fascist."

Oh the irony of not understanding what the word irony means. (See the next section)

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

I disagree with every single thing you just said. It's just a bunch of right-wing rhetoric.

You said you don't categorize everyone, and then categorize liberals as people who despise Conservatives (after I said my whole family who I love is conservative), you say liberals shut their eyes and wish for peace (as far as I can see they work pretty hard for it and other things that work towards it), and call them greedy for considering health care a right, and then compare them to Hitler. Er, sounds like you're categorizing liberals pretty strongly. What's up with that??

As for health care... gimme a break. It makes me sick to my stomach that the US system allows people to go bankrupt because they get sick, or die because they can't afford an operation (even if they do sell everything they own). Hey, think that's fair all you want. I think it is DESPICABLE and DISGUSTING. Talk about greed... supporting a health care/health insurance system that literally benefits financially from withholding as much care as humanly possible, actually seeking out loopholes to get around providing it. How gross. How inhumane. How is withholding healthcare from someone who can't afford it because the insurance companies are money hungry teaching them anything? That makes no sense at all. All it does is ruin their lives because they're sick. That's it.

Finally, who in the world said anything about letting rock stars form their political views?? I form my political beliefs the same way you do (or, maybe not... sounds like you gobble up a lot more bullshit that I do in your extensive studies of the issues). Hey, guess what, conservatives aren't smarter than liberals (on the contrary, according to studies). I just appreciate music and high profile people who share those views and work to highlight them.

Well, whatever. Obviously, the two sides will never agree; they are too far apart. It's like they aren't even living in the same world anymore, and both sides seem completely mystified by the other side's stance (or, really what I've noticed is that both sides think the other is delusional! ... well, they couldn't all be right. I'll put my money on my own team!).

And I think everything you said is just a bunch of left wing propaganda. They are the sort of views that are formed based on the emotional response and not a deeper understanding of the issues. (e.g “everyone should have free healthcare, let’s not discuss the ramifications”) So you obviously don’t form your political beliefs the same way I do.

I see you guys are having trouble comprehending the obvious difference here. I made a correlation between 2 people with at least one similar quality (a PJ_Soul3388 and Hitler). Actually I didn’t even have to do it, he did it himself. You guys reached and took that to be all liberals. That’s all fact, go back and re-read the posts. You guys (2 posters, not all liberals, I can’t believe I have to be this PC) see what you want to see, so how can you be sure about any other opinions in your life? All that aside, even if I did generalize about liberals, that’s OK. It’s a class they choose to be in, I didn’t put them in it. You obviously don’t understand the difference.

I could probably show you a study that says that conservatives are smarter. I just think it’s funny that you went there, it’s like you’re insecure about it. I don’t really think about it, but since you brought it up, I don’t need to turn to flawed internet studies when reality is on my side

Healthcare is still not a right; nothing you said has disputed that. It would also be great if everyone had a 60” Hi-def TV too.

MG79478 · March 2012

JM84420 wrote:

Is Eddie Still Supporting Obama?? Hell No! Eddie loves recessions and is still pissed we averted a depression. He also misses the days when we were losing 100k+ jobs monthly and the Dow was tanking below 7,000. Lastly, I know he wishes Bin Laden was never caught and wants to start another war in Iraq or whomever to find those elusive WMDs.

Wow... just wow. We are doomed.

NewJPage · March 2012

MG79478 wrote:

And I think everything you said is just a bunch of left wing propaganda. They are the sort of views that are formed based on the emotional response and not a deeper understanding of the issues. (e.g “everyone should have free healthcare, let’s not discuss the ramifications”) So you obviously don’t form your political beliefs the same way I do.

so liberals don't have an understanding of the issues? But you do? That's a bit condescending. I'm not one to make condescending remarks toward others, but if I were, I would ask how I, someone far more educated and schooled in the issues than you, does not have an understanding of the issues? I would also ask you to explain why the more educated in this country are more liberal? I can already guess your answer.

PJ_Soul · March 2012

MG79478 wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

I agree, but....

You are advocating war instead of diplomacy? We really don't need to be involved in everybody's affairs. Is that really our place? Do we need to invade and then set up embassies and bases to become the policemen of the world? Sounds like fear to me. We need to stop being so afraid of the world.

You bring up a very valid point. I don't think that the US should police the entire world. But when a threat to peace arises, we should take action.

vant0037 wrote:

Oh the irony of saying you're "above the identity politics of liberals" and then comparing liberals to Hitler and qualifying their politics as "fascist."

Oh the irony of not understanding what the word irony means. (See the next section)

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

I disagree with every single thing you just said. It's just a bunch of right-wing rhetoric.

You said you don't categorize everyone, and then categorize liberals as people who despise Conservatives (after I said my whole family who I love is conservative), you say liberals shut their eyes and wish for peace (as far as I can see they work pretty hard for it and other things that work towards it), and call them greedy for considering health care a right, and then compare them to Hitler. Er, sounds like you're categorizing liberals pretty strongly. What's up with that??

As for health care... gimme a break. It makes me sick to my stomach that the US system allows people to go bankrupt because they get sick, or die because they can't afford an operation (even if they do sell everything they own). Hey, think that's fair all you want. I think it is DESPICABLE and DISGUSTING. Talk about greed... supporting a health care/health insurance system that literally benefits financially from withholding as much care as humanly possible, actually seeking out loopholes to get around providing it. How gross. How inhumane. How is withholding healthcare from someone who can't afford it because the insurance companies are money hungry teaching them anything? That makes no sense at all. All it does is ruin their lives because they're sick. That's it.

Finally, who in the world said anything about letting rock stars form their political views?? I form my political beliefs the same way you do (or, maybe not... sounds like you gobble up a lot more bullshit that I do in your extensive studies of the issues). Hey, guess what, conservatives aren't smarter than liberals (on the contrary, according to studies). I just appreciate music and high profile people who share those views and work to highlight them.

Well, whatever. Obviously, the two sides will never agree; they are too far apart. It's like they aren't even living in the same world anymore, and both sides seem completely mystified by the other side's stance (or, really what I've noticed is that both sides think the other is delusional! ... well, they couldn't all be right. I'll put my money on my own team!).

And I think everything you said is just a bunch of left wing propaganda. They are the sort of views that are formed based on the emotional response and not a deeper understanding of the issues. (e.g “everyone should have free healthcare, let’s not discuss the ramifications”) So you obviously don’t form your political beliefs the same way I do.

I see you guys are having trouble comprehending the obvious difference here. I made a correlation between 2 people with at least one similar quality (a PJ_Soul3388 and Hitler). Actually I didn’t even have to do it, he did it himself. You guys reached and took that to be all liberals. That’s all fact, go back and re-read the posts. You guys (2 posters, not all liberals, I can’t believe I have to be this PC) see what you want to see, so how can you be sure about any other opinions in your life? All that aside, even if I did generalize about liberals, that’s OK. It’s a class they choose to be in, I didn’t put them in it. You obviously don’t understand the difference.

I could probably show you a study that says that conservatives are smarter. I just think it’s funny that you went there, it’s like you’re insecure about it. I don’t really think about it, but since you brought it up, I don’t need to turn to flawed internet studies when reality is on my side

Healthcare is still not a right; nothing you said has disputed that. It would also be great if everyone had a 60” Hi-def TV too.

I have a deep understanding of the issues... particularly healthcare... I live in Canada. We HAVE universal health care. It does ensure that no one, no matter how much money they have, get the health care they need without it ruining their lives financially. It is a right in Canada. It's not a fantasy. It exists in many countries. And while there are some ramifications, (higher taxes, sometimes longer wait times for non-urgent surgeries and tests (although I've never had a prob with waits at all, not even in the ER), the ramifications of NOT having universal health care are WAY worse assuming you're not wealthy. Anyway, Canada is one of the strongest economies in the world at the moment, while the US is floundering, so I'm thinking a universal healthcare system isn't doing us too much harm! Not to mention the fact that Canada's banking system is actually THE strongest and most stable in the world, and that's due solely to the fact that it's moderately regulated, something American conservatives are strongly against.

Anyway, you can call us too shortsighted to "understand the issues" all you want, or accuse us of somehow being incapable of accessing relevant information and then making informed decisions about it. We all know that's not the case. Conservatives ALWAYS resort to saying "you just don't know the facts and economic theory and reality is beyond you". That is just laughable. Liberals generalize too ... I think a lot of liberals chalk it up to conservatives being selfish and greedy and incapable of seeing that people have worth beyond how much they earn (I'm one of them for the most part ... I just don't see any alternative when someone says that health care isn't a right, but a privilege, because in the US system that necessarily means they believe only people who can afford it deserve the best health care. To me, that's greed and selfishness. So once again, the one thing that is very clear is that the divide between liberals and conservatives is huge and won't be bridged on many very important issues. It can't be when people are opposed by virtue of their deep-seated principles.

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