Is Eddie Still Supporting Obama??

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bootlegger10

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Well, the obvious has finally been confirmed... I think at this point all you Republicans should just take our word for it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... acist.html

@Sawyer: how are you even on this forum? I didn't know anyone so right-wing was a PJ fan. It goes against everything they and their music and their causes stand for. It's strange to see a 10C member with your line of thinking.

Right wingers aren't as intolerant as left wingers, apparently. These types of comments are funny to me. The so-called liberals that are accepting of all, keep asking how conservatives can like Pearl Jam. It is very ironic that the close-mind conservatives can like Pearl Jam even if they disagree with their politics, but the open-minded liberals would never give a conservative band a chance.

Sawyer

bootlegger10 wrote:

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Well, the obvious has finally been confirmed... I think at this point all you Republicans should just take our word for it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... acist.html

@Sawyer: how are you even on this forum? I didn't know anyone so right-wing was a PJ fan. It goes against everything they and their music and their causes stand for. It's strange to see a 10C member with your line of thinking.

Right wingers aren't as intolerant as left wingers, apparently. These types of comments are funny to me. The so-called liberals that are accepting of all, keep asking how conservatives can like Pearl Jam. It is very ironic that the close-mind conservatives can like Pearl Jam even if they disagree with their politics, but the open-minded liberals would never give a conservative band a chance.

Great read.....Im gonna need to reread being on these boards

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/how-to- ... f+you+must

CROJAM95

I think the Republicans know they most likely will lose

Romney
Gingrich

McCain in 08

Dole in 96

Kerry(D)in 04(wartime presidents don't lose)

Sacrificial lambs for the slaughter. Some huge scandal from now till November is their only chance

Just my opinion, reading between the lines

Rossum20

bootlegger10 wrote:

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Well, the obvious has finally been confirmed... I think at this point all you Republicans should just take our word for it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... acist.html

@Sawyer: how are you even on this forum? I didn't know anyone so right-wing was a PJ fan. It goes against everything they and their music and their causes stand for. It's strange to see a 10C member with your line of thinking.

Right wingers aren't as intolerant as left wingers, apparently. These types of comments are funny to me. The so-called liberals that are accepting of all, keep asking how conservatives can like Pearl Jam. It is very ironic that the close-mind conservatives can like Pearl Jam even if they disagree with their politics, but the open-minded liberals would never give a conservative band a chance.

Yea, we're asking because of how strongly the band, especially Ed,feels about politics in America. No one is telling you that you can't be a fan of the band, but many of us feel an even stronger connection to their music and ideals because we happen to agree with them. Not to mention they are overtly vocal about it and its everywhere in their music. It's a valid question.

We're not the ones who post unsubstantiated bullshit and then run off and hide. The current republican party is a joke - some people want to continue to be blindly loyal to their "club" for whatever reason is telling....this isn't the republican party from 40 or 50 years ago that your parents grew up with. It has morphed into a party of the super rich trying to protect their illegal money making schemes while they play on the citizens who place their political views in the hands of god and "moral" issues over the economy, health care, and education.

The republican debates that were supposed to focus on the economy quickly turn into a bitch fest over birth control. Pardon the rest of us for seeing this as grown children discussing things that do not need to be discussed. No one is forcing anyone to take birth control. The list goes on. Planned Parenthood? Yea, what an evil social service that is that isn't even a drop in the bucket of our federal budget. NPR radio? Yea, lets strip away the most unbiased news source we have.

I can't wait for Obama's second term when he won't be concerned about getting reelected and has experience under his belt. Thanks to the utter dysfunction of the republican party, it has gotten to a point where it's embarrassing to be associated with them. I can't wait for the presidential debates. It is going to be a fucking riot.

Rossum20

Sawyer wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Well, the obvious has finally been confirmed... I think at this point all you Republicans should just take our word for it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... acist.html

@Sawyer: how are you even on this forum? I didn't know anyone so right-wing was a PJ fan. It goes against everything they and their music and their causes stand for. It's strange to see a 10C member with your line of thinking.

Right wingers aren't as intolerant as left wingers, apparently. These types of comments are funny to me. The so-called liberals that are accepting of all, keep asking how conservatives can like Pearl Jam. It is very ironic that the close-mind conservatives can like Pearl Jam even if they disagree with their politics, but the open-minded liberals would never give a conservative band a chance.

Great read.....Im gonna need to reread being on these boards

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/how-to- ... f+you+must

That's awesome! Only 3 out of 5 stars though, what gives? I'm noticing a trend though....VESTS...and hers is sweet....what is that, seal skin?

Cliffy6745

Sawyer wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Well, the obvious has finally been confirmed... I think at this point all you Republicans should just take our word for it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... acist.html

@Sawyer: how are you even on this forum? I didn't know anyone so right-wing was a PJ fan. It goes against everything they and their music and their causes stand for. It's strange to see a 10C member with your line of thinking.

Right wingers aren't as intolerant as left wingers, apparently. These types of comments are funny to me. The so-called liberals that are accepting of all, keep asking how conservatives can like Pearl Jam. It is very ironic that the close-mind conservatives can like Pearl Jam even if they disagree with their politics, but the open-minded liberals would never give a conservative band a chance.

Great read.....Im gonna need to reread being on these boards

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/how-to- ... f+you+must

This is fucking gold. You ask a question that many answer very well then don't respond with anything of substance then post a link to a book by....wait for it....wait for it.....ANN COULTER

Like I said, so glad you are having an impact on young peoples lives. :oops:

snipes824

What I've learned over time is that neither party has the right answers. They each have aspects that I like, and they each have aspects that I don't like. For instance, I believe fiscal conservatism is a good thing - on the other hand, I believe social conservatism is a scary thing.

The only sensible policy from my perspective is libertarianism. Government should get out of the people's way and stop dictating to them how they should spend their money, how they should treat their bodies, or how they should run their lives. That's all the politicians fight about anyway - how they can control your life. The democrats want to run your life economically, and the republicans want to run your life culturally and socially. Both are equally bad. I choose freedom.

YLed2

Vote and let's get this mistake out of office.

Rossum20

snipes824 wrote:

What I've learned over time is that neither party has the right answers. They each have aspects that I like, and they each have aspects that I don't like. For instance, I believe fiscal conservatism is a good thing - on the other hand, I believe social conservatism is a scary thing.

The only sensible policy from my perspective is libertarianism. Government should get out of the people's way and stop dictating to them how they should spend their money, how they should treat their bodies, or how they should run their lives. That's all the politicians fight about anyway - how they can control your life. The democrats want to run your life economically, and the republicans want to run your life culturally and socially. Both are equally bad. I choose freedom.

PJ_Soul

I have no idea what you're talking about. I have no idea if I listen to any "conservative bands." I generally don't care one way or another and wouldn't know the difference. But we're talking about the band who wrote. Bu$hleaguer for crying out loud. They did a tour that was solely focused on convincing people to vote Bush out. EV has played benefit concerts to fight against pro-lifers, ETC ETC ETC... it really is strange that a big Bush supporter and republican would be a 10c member given all these facts. It has nothing to do with intolerance at all. For me to be a die hard fan of some band that actively and vocally stands for everything I disagree with wouldn't be "tolerance" on my part. It would be illogical and rather hypocritical. This whole tolerance argument doesn't really work. I don't think left-wingers feel bad about being intolerant of what they find absolutely and completely unacceptable. Um, yeah I'm intolerant of what I see as everything that is wrong with the world. I should hope everyone would be! If everyone walked around saying we all have to be tolerant even when we seriously oppose those views would equal no one ever fighting for what they think is right.

rival.

regardless of who he is supporting, it is interesting how he toned down his political views/rants at shows. listening to many boots, watching many shows on youtube, it seems his last political hurrah was in '03.

BUT, i think his celine dion rants are much more amusing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nAhaCMjBOg

PJ_Soul

rival. wrote:

regardless of who he is supporting, it is interesting how he toned down his political views/rants at shows. listening to many boots, watching many shows on youtube, it seems his last political hurrah was in '03.

BUT, i think his celine dion rants are much more amusing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nAhaCMjBOg

That's not true at all. Not sure how you missed all the political stuff he went off about right up until 2008, and spoke against the war regularly. And the Vote for Change tour was in '04. And since then, much of his focus has been on the oil companies (especially recently with the spill), and of course the corrupt justice system; the Memphis Three this REALLY started taking up a lot of his energy over the past few years. And actually -j that sense you're right, since that was a big focus for him for a long time, but not something he would rant about of course; he was just personally involved.

inlet13

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

I have no idea what you're talking about. I have no idea if I listen to any "conservative bands." I generally don't care one way or another and wouldn't know the difference. But we're talking about the band who wrote. Bu$hleaguer for crying out loud. They did a tour that was solely focused on convincing people to vote Bush out. EV has played benefit concerts to fight against pro-lifers, ETC ETC ETC... it really is strange that a big Bush supporter and republican would be a 10c member given all these facts. It has nothing to do with intolerance at all. For me to be a die hard fan of some band that actively and vocally stands for everything I disagree with wouldn't be "tolerance" on my part. It would be illogical and rather hypocritical. This whole tolerance argument doesn't really work. I don't think left-wingers feel bad about being intolerant of what they find absolutely and completely unacceptable. Um, yeah I'm intolerant of what I see as everything that is wrong with the world. I should hope everyone would be! If everyone walked around saying we all have to be tolerant even when we seriously oppose those views would equal no one ever fighting for what they think is right.

This is warped thinking. Sorry.

First, let's be real: Eddie is a rock star, not Jesus. Even if Pearl Jam is a person's favorite rock band, a person agreeing with them in regards to politics means they agree with them politically. That's about it. Hopefully, you agree because you would have those feelings (even if Ed changed his). Otherwise, you’re feel the way you do just because Ed does, which is scary.... basing your politics on a rock band's lead singer.

Second, just to point out - one of Ed’s closest rock star friends, now passed on, did not agree with him at all in regards to politics. Yet, Ed was still close friends with him. After all, it is just politics and both of these individuals were rock stars, nothing more. Their opinion is as worthy as the janitor at your local high school or the business manager at your local CPA firm. That’s about it. Most normal people have friends/family/etc. that they disagree with in regards to politics, but still may hold them up as great people, great friends, and in some cases, may even marry them.

Third, speaking as a Ron Paul supporter (who doesn't agree with Ed's take on a number of issues) I don’t think it’s hypocritical for someone such as myself to enjoy their music at all and even say they are my favorite band. I admire Ed’s passion, think the band is excellent musically, think Ed’s a great lyricist, etc. This doesn’t have to do with politics. Anyone who says conservatives can’t be fans has real issues themselves because they can’t see past the politics. This band is not simply a political band: listen to No Code if you need to remind yourself through an entire album. Further, lots of people don’t dig the rants at shows, even people who agree with him politically. As I’ve said earlier, people are paying to hear a rock band, not Socrates or Rachel Maddow.

Let me explain my point of view further. The heavy majority of Pearl Jam songs are not political, and in my opinion, they are the better sect of songs. Songs like Elderly woman, Betterman, Present Tense, Just Breathe, Alive, daughter, etc. There are only a few that one could argue (with complete consistency) are definitely, evidently anti-right. Example, Bushleager. And, speaking as someone who was definitively not a fan of Bush - I’d say most fans would claim that this would rank in their weakest quadrant of songs. In fact, when Ed attacks politics head-on, like that, I personally think the songs tend to suffer. But, I’m sure you also have a few songs you don’t like in their catalogue (maybe their the non-political songs?). Ironically, songs like Unemployable (or the political songs on the S/T) appeal to me because Ed tells stories and most are less direct.

Regardless of how one responds - agreement or disagreement to the undertones beneathe the story, thinking about those things, or encouraging the dialogue, is a good thing. So, although I prefer the non-political songs, since they are what really turned me onto the band, the political songs can be good too. It’s just the direct attacks, that I tend to dislike. That said, if they write a great song that's an attack, maybe I’d dig that too.

PJ_Soul

It's not warped thinking, you're just misinterpreting what I'm saying. I know that Eddie isn't Jesus. I don't know why you even said that. None of my own political views come from EV's. He just happens to have many of the same views I do (and I admire him for his activism; he's NOT the same as the janitor because he reaches millions of people with what I think are really important messages for people to hear).
Also, literally my entire immediate family votes conservative, and we actually have opposing views on practically everything. I'm the black sheep of a right wing family. And we're a very close family. So yeah, you are misreading what I'm trying to say. But if one is paying attention to EV's causes because one feels the same way, he's a champion, aside from the music... EV is my favorite musician and Singer, as well as one of my favorite philanthropists. And for the record, I pretty much like ALL of PJ and EVs music, political or otherwise (except Ole. That is a piece of shit, lol). All the non-political music is amazing, but at the end of the day, everything they do is, for me, connected to the band's world view as well. That's just how I roll.


It still surprises me that a right winger would be an active 10c member. PJ does stand for certain values and I simply find it weird that someone would be attached enough to a band to be an active paying fan club member while being principally opposed to the messages that the band actively broadcast in a concerted effort to make people realize how wrong his own views are. I would not be able to be a fan of a band that spewed messages i am opposed to. I personally don't feel like a band's music and a band's activism are mutually exclusive. It matters to me; it's a part of the experience for me. That has nothing to do with how I confront opposing political and world views with people in my life. They are people, and music is art - how we choose to appreciate it is personal and has nothing to do with how we interact with other people in Tue world. I wouldn't be able to ignore it if they promoted, say, capitalism and pro-life, and traditional marriage. It would kust be off-putting to me.I'm not even judging. I just think it's weird. Don't know where the controversy is coming from!

peacefrompaul

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

It's not warped thinking, you're just misinterpreting what I'm saying. I know that Eddie isn't Jesus. I don't know why you even said that. None of my own political views come from EV's. He just happens to have many of the same views I do (and I admire him for his activism; he's NOT the same as the janitor because he reaches millions of people with what I think are really important messages for people to hear).
Also, literally my entire immediate family votes conservative, and we actually have opposing views on practically everything. I'm the black sheep of a right wing family. And we're a very close family. So yeah, you are misreading what I'm trying to say. But if one is paying attention to EV's causes because one feels the same way, he's a champion, aside from the music... EV is my favorite musician and Singer, as well as one of my favorite philanthropists. And for the record, I pretty much like ALL of PJ and EVs music, political or otherwise (except Old. That is a piece of shit, lol). All the non-political music is amazing, but at the end of the day, everything they do is, for me, connected to the band's world view as well. That's just how I roll.


It still surprises me that a right winger would be an active 10c member. PJ does stand for certain values and I simply find it weird that someone would be attached enough to a band to be an active paying fan club member while being principally opposed to the messages that the band actively broadcast in a concerted effort to make people realize how wrong his own views are. I would not be able to be a fan of a band that spewed messages i am opposed to. I personally don't feel like a band's music and a band's activism are mutually exclusive. It matters to me; it's a part of the experience for me. That has nothing to do with how I confront opposing political and world views with people in my life. They are people, and music is art - how we choose to appreciate it is personal and has nothing to do with how we interact with other people in Tue world. I wouldn't be able to ignore it if they promoted, say, capitalism and pro-life, and traditional marriage. It would kust be off-putting to me.I'm not even judging. I just think it's weird. Don't know where the controversy is coming from!

Not all conservatives will like the things the band stands for but some like to actually be challenged on their position. You need to hear the other side of things and how other people stand on issues. I think it is very important.

My dad is a hardcore conservative and would never vote for anyone but a Republican. Yet, he is still a Pearl Jam fan.

I personally pay more attention to the music. Lyrics come later and are far less important to me.

HesCalledDyer

I actually knew someone that, after Rusty Wallace retired, would no longer drink Miller Lite because she hated Kurt Busch.

Point is, don't let other peoples' alliances be the basis for your own views.

peacefrompaul

HesCalledDyer wrote:

I actually knew someone that, after Rusty Wallace retired, would no longer drink Miller Lite because she hated Kurt Busch.

Point is, don't let other peoples' alliances be the basis for your own views.

My mother won't buy Heinz ketchup.

Couldn't agree with you more.

PJ_Soul

HesCalledDyer wrote:

I actually knew someone that, after Rusty Wallace retired, would no longer drink Miller Lite because she hated Kurt Busch.

Point is, don't let other peoples' alliances be the basis for your own views.

Lol. That's kind of funny.
I agree with you... always use your brain to make your own decisions and form your own beliefs. PJ doesn't influence what I believe. They just match well with how I feel about the world. That's why I love them so much. That said, I have no problem with boycotts to make a point. Not at all. If I, say, found a connection between my favorite make up company and being against gay marriage or fighting for an increase in offshore drilling, I'd stop using the make up in protest (not that Cover Girl is getting too political at this point, lol). Boycotting for a principle is good!

HesCalledDyer

peacefrompaul wrote:

HesCalledDyer wrote:

I actually knew someone that, after Rusty Wallace retired, would no longer drink Miller Lite because she hated Kurt Busch.

Point is, don't let other peoples' alliances be the basis for your own views.

My mother won't buy Heinz ketchup.

Couldn't agree with you more.

Come to think of it, I downright refuse to drink Gatorade. :roll: Go Noles!