It still surprises me that a right winger would be an active 10c member. PJ does stand for certain values and I simply find it weird that someone would be attached enough to a band to be an active paying fan club member while being principally opposed to the messages that the band actively broadcast in a concerted effort to make people realize how wrong his own views are. I would not be able to be a fan of a band that spewed messages i am opposed to. I personally don't feel like a band's music and a band's activism are mutually exclusive. It matters to me; it's a part of the experience for me. That has nothing to do with how I confront opposing political and world views with people in my life. They are people, and music is art - how we choose to appreciate it is personal and has nothing to do with how we interact with other people in Tue world. I wouldn't be able to ignore it if they promoted, say, capitalism and pro-life, and traditional marriage. It would kust be off-putting to me.I'm not even judging. I just think it's weird. Don't know where the controversy is coming from!
If you compare me to the “moderate” liberals on this board, I’m a centrist. Most would call me a conservative though. I’m a big Pearl Jam fan and music fan in general. I’m a fan of their music, not necessarily their political message. You don’t go to the dentist to get your advice on how to fix your car. I wouldn’t want to go listen to extremely gifted musicians for their political view points. Especially when they are a in a position in life where they benefit the most from appearing to be liberal. I always think that if I wasn’t at a concert ignoring their political message, some impressionable young person could be sitting in my seat getting corrupted.
I agree with the guy who said about hearing opposing points of view. Just wanting to ignore them is not the right way. I’m still waiting for a liberal to make an intelligent point, but I’ll at least listen.
I'm not in America and am not American, sort of the classic American blinkered view that their way is the only way that works. it really isn't. and clearly it's not working too well either.
I'd give whoever assumed you were American the benefit of the doubt. Most people on this board are American, probably because PJ is an American band.
Wow! That is amazing that someone in America actually thinks this way!
It is a sad, sad day. There is a reason socialism does not and has not ever worked. Wake up people.
I'm not in America and am not American, sort of the classic American blinkered view that their way is the only way that works. it really isn't. and clearly it's not working too well either.
+1
The nations fairing the best now are those with systems much closer to socialism than America, I.e. Canada, Norway, Sweden... but there is always a balance that needs to be met, or else you tip over like Spain, Greece, and France isn't doing so well either. But one thing is for sure: the level of capitalism America has going is not working for them. It can't. The corporate greed combined with the government corruption re kickbacks and special interests causes the American capitalist system to be destructive to its population in the long run. And seriously... people go bankrupt and lose their homes because they get cancer in the US. wtf is up with that??? I think anyone against universal healthcare has to just be totally blind to the reality of what some people go through without it. Imagine, supporting a system where people can get rich off of denying healthcare.
I will be glad to stay right here in America with a conservative, nothing-close-to-socialism government, but thanks.
And oh yeah, if our police and fire departments are a part of y'alls socialism (HAHAHAHAHA) I guess I can deal with that, but those that think PDs and FDs are socialistic, thanks- that gave me a good chuckle for today.
People from all over the world and from different walks of life enjoy this band. No one should be surprised when members with views from all corners of the political spectrum pop up on the boards. That is what makes this a diverse online community.
from the outside looking in, it always baffles me that America has such a short memory. Obama didn't invent or create the current economic/employment/overseas combat woes you guys are currently experiencing. He inherited it from the previous President and his administration and due to their lack of foresight, Obama's now the bad guy trying to clean it all up and getting the shit for it.
To be fair, Bush inherited a shit storm due to the "lack of foresight" of his predecessor.
I will say I have little faith in our political system. It goes both ways every time. This one says the other one did this, that and the other when the other one is just as guilty of the same thing given the opportunity.
I always found it comical though that during the last election so much was made of Palin's lack of experience though she was a governor. Our president, at that time, was in the middle of his first senate term....lack of experience, huh? The republicans would have been laughed out of the country had they put forth a candidate with the exact same credentials.
As far as who Eddie supports....it makes no difference to me whatsoever.
All I have to do is revel in the everyday....then do it again tomorrow
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
And oh yeah, if our police and fire departments are a part of y'alls socialism (HAHAHAHAHA) I guess I can deal with that, but those that think PDs and FDs are socialistic, thanks- that gave me a good chuckle for today.
This is sad. Apparently Fox News has turned your mind to mush.
Just because Republicans like the police and fire departments doesn't make them any less socialist. They are funded by tax dollars, therefore, its a public service that benefits society at large. But it doesn't matter, us liberals could try to argue this tooth and nail and no matter what facts are presented, conservatives won't get it because they live inside the bubble.
Plus Eddie is probably still supporting Obama.
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from the outside looking in, it always baffles me that America has such a short memory. Obama didn't invent or create the current economic/employment/overseas combat woes you guys are currently experiencing. He inherited it from the previous President and his administration and due to their lack of foresight, Obama's now the bad guy trying to clean it all up and getting the shit for it.
To be fair, Bush inherited a shit storm due to the "lack of foresight" of his predecessor.
I will say I have little faith in our political system. It goes both ways every time. This one says the other one did this, that and the other when the other one is just as guilty of the same thing given the opportunity.
I always found it comical though that during the last election so much was made of Palin's lack of experience though she was a governor. Our president, at that time, was in the middle of his first senate term....lack of experience, huh? The republicans would have been laughed out of the country had they put forth a candidate with the exact same credentials.
As far as who Eddie supports....it makes no difference to me whatsoever.
I think the real issue with Palin was that she was a complete moron... if she hadn't been, no one would have been discussing her lack of experience, as was the case with Obama.
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One Big Ass Mistake America..........again, worse than Andrew Johnson....but Republicans suck like Jefferson and Lincoln right?
Did you really just compare Barack Obama to the guy who had to take office cause Lincoln was assassinated? What the hell are you smoking? Ten bucks says you would vote for Sarah Palin. You probably think Santorum's a viable candidate.
Doesn't matter anyway. It was Republicans who were big enough screw ups that America saw Barack Obama as a viable President and now four years later it's Republicans who are still in such a clusterfuck that he's going to stay President for four more years.
One Big Ass Mistake America..........again, worse than Andrew Johnson....but Republicans suck like Jefferson and Lincoln right?
Did you really just compare Barack Obama to the guy who had to take office cause Lincoln was assassinated? What the hell are you smoking? Ten bucks says you would vote for Sarah Palin. You probably think Santorum's a viable candidate.
Doesn't matter anyway. It was Republicans who were big enough screw ups that America saw Barack Obama as a viable President and now four years later it's Republicans who are still in such a clusterfuck that he's going to stay President for four more years.
The comparison that really made me laugh was the Jefferson/Lincoln one I don't give a shit about politics but even I know (from what I remember learning in middle school History) that the parties didn't even have the same names when Jefferson was the Prez, it was "Federalists" and the "Democratic Republicans", Jefferson was the later, and of the 2 the feds would have been like todays Republicans and the DRs would have been like todays Democrats, so I really have no clue why he would say Jefferson was a Republican. And as for the Lincoln comparison (and Jefferson), just wow, to even try to compare the parties of today and hundreds of years ago just goes to show how stupid some people in our county are.
One Big Ass Mistake America..........again, worse than Andrew Johnson....but Republicans suck like Jefferson and Lincoln right?
Did you really just compare Barack Obama to the guy who had to take office cause Lincoln was assassinated? What the hell are you smoking? Ten bucks says you would vote for Sarah Palin. You probably think Santorum's a viable candidate.
Doesn't matter anyway. It was Republicans who were big enough screw ups that America saw Barack Obama as a viable President and now four years later it's Republicans who are still in such a clusterfuck that he's going to stay President for four more years.
The comparison that really made me laugh was the Jefferson/Lincoln one I don't give a shit about politics but even I know (from what I remember learning in middle school History) that the parties didn't even have the same names when Jefferson was the Prez, it was "Federalists" and the "Democratic Republicans", Jefferson was the later, and of the 2 the feds would have been like todays Republicans and the DRs would have been like todays Democrats, so I really have no clue why he would say Jefferson was a Republican. And as for the Lincoln comparison (and Jefferson), just wow, to even try to compare the parties of today and hundreds of years ago just goes to show how stupid some people in our county are.
Really? So Jefferson wasn't know as a liberal? And the parties have the same views and ideals ect. as they did hundreds of years ago? or even 50 years ago
Really? So Jefferson wasn't know as a liberal? And the parties have the same views and ideals ect. as they did hundreds of years ago? or even 50 years ago
Some aspects yes, some aspects no. Jefferson would be considered more of a libertarian. Hard left would be Alexander Hamilton. There's a lot more definitions today as to how someone stands politically. You are right though, it's not entirely the same. My labels aren't even entirely correct because things have really changed.
Really? So Jefferson wasn't know as a liberal? And the parties have the same views and ideals ect. as they did hundreds of years ago? or even 50 years ago
Some aspects yes, some aspects no. Jefferson would be considered more of a libertarian. Hard left would be Alexander Hamilton. There's a lot more definitions today as to how someone stands politically. You are right though, it's not entirely the same. My labels aren't even entirely correct because things have really changed.
I could care less who Ed supports or doesn't , i just got back from a fucking great Hawaiian vacation my life is fucking great ......I don't care what any of you people on here say think or like ......
I could care less who Ed supports or doesn't , i just got back from a fucking great Hawaiian vacation my life is fucking great ......I don't care what any of you people on here say think or like ......
Did you really just compare Barack Obama to the guy who had to take office cause Lincoln was assassinated? What the hell are you smoking? Ten bucks says you would vote for Sarah Palin. You probably think Santorum's a viable candidate.
Doesn't matter anyway. It was Republicans who were big enough screw ups that America saw Barack Obama as a viable President and now four years later it's Republicans who are still in such a clusterfuck that he's going to stay President for four more years.
The comparison that really made me laugh was the Jefferson/Lincoln one I don't give a shit about politics but even I know (from what I remember learning in middle school History) that the parties didn't even have the same names when Jefferson was the Prez, it was "Federalists" and the "Democratic Republicans", Jefferson was the later, and of the 2 the feds would have been like todays Republicans and the DRs would have been like todays Democrats, so I really have no clue why he would say Jefferson was a Republican. And as for the Lincoln comparison (and Jefferson), just wow, to even try to compare the parties of today and hundreds of years ago just goes to show how stupid some people in our county are.
you couldnt be more wrong...good job
Lincoln's platform when he was running for president was give free land to people. Just cause he has an (R) next to his name does not mean he is anything like Rick Santorum or whoever you want to pick from today. Then again, you have said ZERO of substance this entire thread while a number of people, from each side, have contributed, so I'm not expecting much.
Oh, and the Democratic Republicans were the precursor to todays Democratic party...good job
Really? So Jefferson wasn't know as a liberal? And the parties have the same views and ideals ect. as they did hundreds of years ago? or even 50 years ago
Some aspects yes, some aspects no. Jefferson would be considered more of a libertarian. Hard left would be Alexander Hamilton. There's a lot more definitions today as to how someone stands politically. You are right though, it's not entirely the same. My labels aren't even entirely correct because things have really changed.
Jefferson was a total interventionist and internationalist. Our first foreign war was under him actually. I don't see him as a libertarian at all. But I agree it is impossible to fit these men into these little political boxes we have created in the modern times.
Jefferson was a total interventionist and internationalist. Our first foreign war was under him actually. I don't see him as a libertarian at all. But I agree it is impossible to fit these men into these little political boxes we have created in the modern times.
True perhaps more of a precursor. Limited at that. I just support his beliefs at the time the Constitution was written.
One Big Ass Mistake America..........again, worse than Andrew Johnson....but Republicans suck like Jefferson and Lincoln right?
You you regurgitate a more unoriginal line?
again.
This thread is hilarious.
Because Ed was so vocal about politics a few years back, i think a lot of us are wondering what he thinks these days. Its ok to be curious about this.. I wonder if it just wore him down. I mean, how many songs can you write about war and shit before it gets tiring? I'm glad they moved on to new ideas/material for Backspacer.
I could care less who Ed supports or doesn't , i just got back from a fucking great Hawaiian vacation my life is fucking great ......I don't care what any of you people on here say think or like ......
This thread is hilarious.
Because Ed was so vocal about politics a few years back, i think a lot of us are wondering what he thinks these days. Its ok to be curious about this.. I wonder if it just wore him down. I mean, how many songs can you write about war and shit before it gets tiring? I'm glad they moved on to new ideas/material for Backspacer.
We need to get republicans back in the White House to motivate Ed and the boys.
The whole anti-war movement died when Obama took office. On the plus-side, No More became a rarity at concerts ... politics aside, not his best work.
This thread is hilarious.
Because Ed was so vocal about politics a few years back, i think a lot of us are wondering what he thinks these days. Its ok to be curious about this.. I wonder if it just wore him down. I mean, how many songs can you write about war and shit before it gets tiring? I'm glad they moved on to new ideas/material for Backspacer.
We need to get republicans back in the White House to motivate Ed and the boys.
The whole anti-war movement died when Obama took office. On the plus-side, No More became a rarity at concerts ... politics aside, not his best work.
As much as I would love another Avocado album, I don't think its worth it to have a Republican as President for that to happen. My guess is that Eddie has tempered his political talk not just because Obama's elected, but because the band is trying to broaden the fan base. There is not much more polarizing than talking about politics, as they found out in Long Island in 2003.
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how can any body support the worst president since Andrew Johnson.......isnt he hip and cool?! No, he's underqualified and a total clown....how's that change workin out for ya?
I could of known you felt this way with out you posting this. Funny how greed and the hate of all things sensible go hand and hand
I mean, what happened to Ralph Nader Support?What happened to I am no republican, I am no democrat....I am A FREEEEDOOOM Party?!?!?!???
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Nader had no chance of winning so a vote for Nader would be one less vote for Obama which could have made Sarah Palin vice president. Eddie is way to smart to be apart of that so he did the smart thing and supported the guy who could prevent morons from running the country. Michael Moore and most of Naders supporters did the same.
I chatted with Ralph at his book signing for "Seventeen Traditions" in 2007 and he pointed out that Eddie was the only one that called him personally to explain the shift in support.
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I agree with the guy who said about hearing opposing points of view. Just wanting to ignore them is not the right way. I’m still waiting for a liberal to make an intelligent point, but I’ll at least listen.
I'd give whoever assumed you were American the benefit of the doubt. Most people on this board are American, probably because PJ is an American band.
I will be glad to stay right here in America with a conservative, nothing-close-to-socialism government, but thanks.
And oh yeah, if our police and fire departments are a part of y'alls socialism (HAHAHAHAHA) I guess I can deal with that, but those that think PDs and FDs are socialistic, thanks- that gave me a good chuckle for today.
i not, that's great too.
his political opinions are his own. and mine are mine. i know how i feel & how i choose to live my life & that's good enough for me.
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I will say I have little faith in our political system. It goes both ways every time. This one says the other one did this, that and the other when the other one is just as guilty of the same thing given the opportunity.
I always found it comical though that during the last election so much was made of Palin's lack of experience though she was a governor. Our president, at that time, was in the middle of his first senate term....lack of experience, huh? The republicans would have been laughed out of the country had they put forth a candidate with the exact same credentials.
As far as who Eddie supports....it makes no difference to me whatsoever.
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
This is sad. Apparently Fox News has turned your mind to mush.
Just because Republicans like the police and fire departments doesn't make them any less socialist. They are funded by tax dollars, therefore, its a public service that benefits society at large. But it doesn't matter, us liberals could try to argue this tooth and nail and no matter what facts are presented, conservatives won't get it because they live inside the bubble.
Plus Eddie is probably still supporting Obama.
Pearl Jam:
Key Arena - Seattle, WA - Sep 21, 2009
Pacific Coliseum - Vancouver, BC - Sep 25, 2011
Key Arena - Seattle, WA - Dec 6, 2013
Eddie Vedder Solo:
Benaroya Hall - Seattle, WA - Jul 15, 2011
I think the real issue with Palin was that she was a complete moron... if she hadn't been, no one would have been discussing her lack of experience, as was the case with Obama.
One Big Ass Mistake America..........again, worse than Andrew Johnson....but Republicans suck like Jefferson and Lincoln right?
Did you really just compare Barack Obama to the guy who had to take office cause Lincoln was assassinated? What the hell are you smoking? Ten bucks says you would vote for Sarah Palin. You probably think Santorum's a viable candidate.
Doesn't matter anyway. It was Republicans who were big enough screw ups that America saw Barack Obama as a viable President and now four years later it's Republicans who are still in such a clusterfuck that he's going to stay President for four more years.
The comparison that really made me laugh was the Jefferson/Lincoln one
you couldnt be more wrong...good job
Really? So Jefferson wasn't know as a liberal? And the parties have the same views and ideals ect. as they did hundreds of years ago? or even 50 years ago
Some aspects yes, some aspects no. Jefferson would be considered more of a libertarian. Hard left would be Alexander Hamilton. There's a lot more definitions today as to how someone stands politically. You are right though, it's not entirely the same. My labels aren't even entirely correct because things have really changed.
Exactly my point, they are impossible to compare
Lincoln's platform when he was running for president was give free land to people. Just cause he has an (R) next to his name does not mean he is anything like Rick Santorum or whoever you want to pick from today. Then again, you have said ZERO of substance this entire thread while a number of people, from each side, have contributed, so I'm not expecting much.
Oh, and the Democratic Republicans were the precursor to todays Democratic party...good job
Jefferson was a total interventionist and internationalist. Our first foreign war was under him actually. I don't see him as a libertarian at all. But I agree it is impossible to fit these men into these little political boxes we have created in the modern times.
True perhaps more of a precursor. Limited at that. I just support his beliefs at the time the Constitution was written.
and the National Republican Party, Whig Party, and todays Republican Party
thank you, I was hoping that someone who actually knows what their talking about could confirm that.
ha! well, i'm no expert on the early American period, but I do know that. 20th century foreign policy and Southeast Asia is my area of focus
Cool stuff to study for sure
You you regurgitate a more unoriginal line?
again.
This thread is hilarious.
Because Ed was so vocal about politics a few years back, i think a lot of us are wondering what he thinks these days. Its ok to be curious about this.. I wonder if it just wore him down. I mean, how many songs can you write about war and shit before it gets tiring? I'm glad they moved on to new ideas/material for Backspacer.
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The whole anti-war movement died when Obama took office. On the plus-side, No More became a rarity at concerts ... politics aside, not his best work.
As much as I would love another Avocado album, I don't think its worth it to have a Republican as President for that to happen. My guess is that Eddie has tempered his political talk not just because Obama's elected, but because the band is trying to broaden the fan base. There is not much more polarizing than talking about politics, as they found out in Long Island in 2003.
Pearl Jam:
Key Arena - Seattle, WA - Sep 21, 2009
Pacific Coliseum - Vancouver, BC - Sep 25, 2011
Key Arena - Seattle, WA - Dec 6, 2013
Eddie Vedder Solo:
Benaroya Hall - Seattle, WA - Jul 15, 2011
I could of known you felt this way with out you posting this. Funny how greed and the hate of all things sensible go hand and hand
I chatted with Ralph at his book signing for "Seventeen Traditions" in 2007 and he pointed out that Eddie was the only one that called him personally to explain the shift in support.
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