Is Eddie Still Supporting Obama??

Sawyer

RiotZact wrote:

goodbarron wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

O.B.A.M.A.

One Big Ass Mistake America..........again, worse than Andrew Johnson....but Republicans suck like Jefferson and Lincoln right?

Did you really just compare Barack Obama to the guy who had to take office cause Lincoln was assassinated? What the hell are you smoking? Ten bucks says you would vote for Sarah Palin. You probably think Santorum's a viable candidate.

Doesn't matter anyway. It was Republicans who were big enough screw ups that America saw Barack Obama as a viable President and now four years later it's Republicans who are still in such a clusterfuck that he's going to stay President for four more years.

The comparison that really made me laugh was the Jefferson/Lincoln one I don't give a shit about politics but even I know (from what I remember learning in middle school History) that the parties didn't even have the same names when Jefferson was the Prez, it was "Federalists" and the "Democratic Republicans", Jefferson was the later, and of the 2 the feds would have been like todays Republicans and the DRs would have been like todays Democrats, so I really have no clue why he would say Jefferson was a Republican. And as for the Lincoln comparison (and Jefferson), just wow, to even try to compare the parties of today and hundreds of years ago just goes to show how stupid some people in our county are.

you couldnt be more wrong...good job

RiotZact

Sawyer wrote:

you couldnt be more wrong...good job

Really? So Jefferson wasn't know as a liberal? And the parties have the same views and ideals ect. as they did hundreds of years ago? or even 50 years ago

peacefrompaul

RiotZact wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

you couldnt be more wrong...good job

Really? So Jefferson wasn't know as a liberal? And the parties have the same views and ideals ect. as they did hundreds of years ago? or even 50 years ago

Some aspects yes, some aspects no. Jefferson would be considered more of a libertarian. Hard left would be Alexander Hamilton. There's a lot more definitions today as to how someone stands politically. You are right though, it's not entirely the same. My labels aren't even entirely correct because things have really changed.

RiotZact

peacefrompaul wrote:

RiotZact wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

you couldnt be more wrong...good job

Really? So Jefferson wasn't know as a liberal? And the parties have the same views and ideals ect. as they did hundreds of years ago? or even 50 years ago

Some aspects yes, some aspects no. Jefferson would be considered more of a libertarian. Hard left would be Alexander Hamilton. There's a lot more definitions today as to how someone stands politically. You are right though, it's not entirely the same. My labels aren't even entirely correct because things have really changed.

Exactly my point, they are impossible to compare

josevolution

I could care less who Ed supports or doesn't , i just got back from a fucking great Hawaiian vacation my life is fucking great ......I don't care what any of you people on here say think or like ......

peacefrompaul

josevolution wrote:

I could care less who Ed supports or doesn't , i just got back from a fucking great Hawaiian vacation my life is fucking great ......I don't care what any of you people on here say think or like ......

NewJPage

Sawyer wrote:

RiotZact wrote:

goodbarron wrote:

Did you really just compare Barack Obama to the guy who had to take office cause Lincoln was assassinated? What the hell are you smoking? Ten bucks says you would vote for Sarah Palin. You probably think Santorum's a viable candidate.

Doesn't matter anyway. It was Republicans who were big enough screw ups that America saw Barack Obama as a viable President and now four years later it's Republicans who are still in such a clusterfuck that he's going to stay President for four more years.

The comparison that really made me laugh was the Jefferson/Lincoln one I don't give a shit about politics but even I know (from what I remember learning in middle school History) that the parties didn't even have the same names when Jefferson was the Prez, it was "Federalists" and the "Democratic Republicans", Jefferson was the later, and of the 2 the feds would have been like todays Republicans and the DRs would have been like todays Democrats, so I really have no clue why he would say Jefferson was a Republican. And as for the Lincoln comparison (and Jefferson), just wow, to even try to compare the parties of today and hundreds of years ago just goes to show how stupid some people in our county are.

you couldnt be more wrong...good job

Lincoln's platform when he was running for president was give free land to people. Just cause he has an (R) next to his name does not mean he is anything like Rick Santorum or whoever you want to pick from today. Then again, you have said ZERO of substance this entire thread while a number of people, from each side, have contributed, so I'm not expecting much.

Oh, and the Democratic Republicans were the precursor to todays Democratic party...good job

NewJPage

peacefrompaul wrote:

RiotZact wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

you couldnt be more wrong...good job

Really? So Jefferson wasn't know as a liberal? And the parties have the same views and ideals ect. as they did hundreds of years ago? or even 50 years ago

Some aspects yes, some aspects no. Jefferson would be considered more of a libertarian. Hard left would be Alexander Hamilton. There's a lot more definitions today as to how someone stands politically. You are right though, it's not entirely the same. My labels aren't even entirely correct because things have really changed.

Jefferson was a total interventionist and internationalist. Our first foreign war was under him actually. I don't see him as a libertarian at all. But I agree it is impossible to fit these men into these little political boxes we have created in the modern times.

peacefrompaul

NewJPage wrote:

Jefferson was a total interventionist and internationalist. Our first foreign war was under him actually. I don't see him as a libertarian at all. But I agree it is impossible to fit these men into these little political boxes we have created in the modern times.

True perhaps more of a precursor. Limited at that. I just support his beliefs at the time the Constitution was written.

peacefrompaul

NewJPage wrote:

Oh, and the Democratic Republicans were the precursor to todays Democratic party...good job

and the National Republican Party, Whig Party, and todays Republican Party

RiotZact

NewJPage wrote:

Oh, and the Democratic Republicans were the precursor to todays Democratic party...good job

thank you, I was hoping that someone who actually knows what their talking about could confirm that.

NewJPage

RiotZact wrote:

NewJPage wrote:

Oh, and the Democratic Republicans were the precursor to todays Democratic party...good job

thank you, I was hoping that someone who actually knows what their talking about could confirm that.

ha! well, i'm no expert on the early American period, but I do know that. 20th century foreign policy and Southeast Asia is my area of focus

peacefrompaul

NewJPage wrote:

RiotZact wrote:

NewJPage wrote:

Oh, and the Democratic Republicans were the precursor to todays Democratic party...good job

thank you, I was hoping that someone who actually knows what their talking about could confirm that.

ha! well, i'm no expert on the early American period, but I do know that. 20th century foreign policy and Southeast Asia is my area of focus

Cool stuff to study for sure

JonnyPistachio

Sawyer wrote:

O.B.A.M.A.

One Big Ass Mistake America..........again, worse than Andrew Johnson....but Republicans suck like Jefferson and Lincoln right?

You you regurgitate a more unoriginal line?
again.

This thread is hilarious.
Because Ed was so vocal about politics a few years back, i think a lot of us are wondering what he thinks these days. Its ok to be curious about this.. I wonder if it just wore him down. I mean, how many songs can you write about war and shit before it gets tiring? I'm glad they moved on to new ideas/material for Backspacer.

mfc2006

josevolution wrote:

I could care less who Ed supports or doesn't , i just got back from a fucking great Hawaiian vacation my life is fucking great ......I don't care what any of you people on here say think or like ......

Aloha! :wave:

JR86440

I think Ed would really like Ron Paul!!

Jason P

JonnyPistachio wrote:

This thread is hilarious.
Because Ed was so vocal about politics a few years back, i think a lot of us are wondering what he thinks these days. Its ok to be curious about this.. I wonder if it just wore him down. I mean, how many songs can you write about war and shit before it gets tiring? I'm glad they moved on to new ideas/material for Backspacer.

We need to get republicans back in the White House to motivate Ed and the boys.

The whole anti-war movement died when Obama took office. On the plus-side, No More became a rarity at concerts ... politics aside, not his best work.

thefin190

Jason P wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

This thread is hilarious.
Because Ed was so vocal about politics a few years back, i think a lot of us are wondering what he thinks these days. Its ok to be curious about this.. I wonder if it just wore him down. I mean, how many songs can you write about war and shit before it gets tiring? I'm glad they moved on to new ideas/material for Backspacer.

We need to get republicans back in the White House to motivate Ed and the boys.

The whole anti-war movement died when Obama took office. On the plus-side, No More became a rarity at concerts ... politics aside, not his best work.

As much as I would love another Avocado album, I don't think its worth it to have a Republican as President for that to happen. My guess is that Eddie has tempered his political talk not just because Obama's elected, but because the band is trying to broaden the fan base. There is not much more polarizing than talking about politics, as they found out in Long Island in 2003.

dwhite76

Sawyer wrote:

how can any body support the worst president since Andrew Johnson.......isnt he hip and cool?! No, he's underqualified and a total clown....how's that change workin out for ya?

I could of known you felt this way with out you posting this. Funny how greed and the hate of all things sensible go hand and hand

suninsomebodyelsesky

Callaway wrote:

Paradajzar wrote:

I mean, what happened to Ralph Nader Support?What happened to I am no republican, I am no democrat....I am A FREEEEDOOOM Party?!?!?!???

Sorry to post it here but its PJ love related:)

Cheeres

Nader had no chance of winning so a vote for Nader would be one less vote for Obama which could have made Sarah Palin vice president. Eddie is way to smart to be apart of that so he did the smart thing and supported the guy who could prevent morons from running the country. Michael Moore and most of Naders supporters did the same.

I chatted with Ralph at his book signing for "Seventeen Traditions" in 2007 and he pointed out that Eddie was the only one that called him personally to explain the shift in support.