Is Eddie Still Supporting Obama??

PJ51390

eldarion75 wrote:

oh and socialism isn't a bad thing, don't understand the fear of that either. If the rich can pay, well they should pay. And the same health and education should be available to every citizen. What's so bad about that idea I just can't fathom.

Wow! That is amazing that someone in America actually thinks this way!

It is a sad, sad day. There is a reason socialism does not and has not ever worked. Wake up people.

inlet13

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

It's not warped thinking, you're just misinterpreting what I'm saying. I know that Eddie isn't Jesus. I don't know why you even said that. None of my own political views come from EV's. He just happens to have many of the same views I do (and I admire him for his activism; he's NOT the same as the janitor because he reaches millions of people with what I think are really important messages for people to hear).

I disagree. To me, it is warped thinking.

I'm not misinterpreting what you're saying. My point is, a 'normal' person would not follow what Ed believes politically. That's what I meant by saying, he's not Jesus. He doesn't change the political landscape. He became famous because he had a talent - singing. He broadened that talent with songwriting. Sure, there's a few people that just follow what he believes politically (why? I have no clue), but in the end, I think they are pretty negligible.

In that sense, his viewpoint is as important as the highschool janitor. And if you're going to argue because he has more money, fine... he's as important as a millionaire banker 20 miles from your house. Both are entitled to thier political opinions, and it's worth just as much, and vice versa. He's a rock singer, not a political guru. His opinion on politics is worth as much as Tom Brady's, for example.... no more.

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

Also, literally my entire immediate family votes conservative, and we actually have opposing views on practically everything. I'm the black sheep of a right wing family. And we're a very close family. So yeah, you are misreading what I'm trying to say. But if one is paying attention to EV's causes because one feels the same way, he's a champion, aside from the music... EV is my favorite musician and Singer, as well as one of my favorite philanthropists. And for the record, I pretty much like ALL of PJ and EVs music, political or otherwise (except Ole. That is a piece of shit, lol). All the non-political music is amazing, but at the end of the day, everything they do is, for me, connected to the band's world view as well. That's just how I roll.

That's fantastic that you're immediate family votes conservative. But, no offense, it has very little to do with what I'm saying.

As for "if one is paying attention to EV's causes because one feels the same way, he's a champion, aside from music"... and with that I'd agree. If someone comes to the table and listens to the music, loves it and then learns the band is politically aligned with them... that's one more plus, and is great. But, if another person comes to the table, listen to the music, learns the band is not politically aligned with them... but, yet they look past that, that to me shows that person is open-minded. They see that this rock singer's politics doesn't really matter, because it's music that they were after to begin with. They were after good music, and more than 95% (I'd argue higher) of the lyrics don't overtly stand against their political ideology.

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

It still surprises me that a right winger would be an active 10c member. PJ does stand for certain values and I simply find it weird that someone would be attached enough to a band to be an active paying fan club member while being principally opposed to the messages that the band actively broadcast in a concerted effort to make people realize how wrong his own views are. I would not be able to be a fan of a band that spewed messages i am opposed to. I personally don't feel like a band's music and a band's activism are mutually exclusive. It matters to me; it's a part of the experience for me. That has nothing to do with how I confront opposing political and world views with people in my life. They are people, and music is art - how we choose to appreciate it is personal and has nothing to do with how we interact with other people in Tue world. I wouldn't be able to ignore it if they promoted, say, capitalism and pro-life, and traditional marriage. It would kust be off-putting to me.I'm not even judging. I just think it's weird. Don't know where the controversy is coming from!

You have a right to be surprised that a 10c member would be a right-winger. And that fan club member has the right to say that you may be a bigot based on what you've said here (that's where the controversy came from, your post). I know, that may be (and probably is) a bit extreme... but, here's the definition:

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

It's worth thinking about.

Pry To

PJ51390 wrote:

eldarion75 wrote:

oh and socialism isn't a bad thing, don't understand the fear of that either. If the rich can pay, well they should pay. And the same health and education should be available to every citizen. What's so bad about that idea I just can't fathom.

Wow! That is amazing that someone in America actually thinks this way!

It is a sad, sad day. There is a reason socialism does not and has not ever worked. Wake up people.

The fire department, the police department, public schools, state colleges and universities, Medicare, Medicaid, social security, the roads you drive on = all examples of socialism. You know, in case you're not familiar with what it means. God, I'm arguing with Pearl Jam fans about politics.

Conversely, and with all due respect to the band and my fellow liberals, I'd say that PJ does align with quite a few conservative/capitalist values these days, particularly when it comes to high ticket prices and the Kiss-like merchandising of everything from socks to keychains to lighters to God knows what's next. That's what happens when you gain membership into the 1%, I suppose.

NewJPage

PJ51390 wrote:

eldarion75 wrote:

oh and socialism isn't a bad thing, don't understand the fear of that either. If the rich can pay, well they should pay. And the same health and education should be available to every citizen. What's so bad about that idea I just can't fathom.

Wow! That is amazing that someone in America actually thinks this way!

It is a sad, sad day. There is a reason socialism does not and has not ever worked. Wake up people.

Why is it amazing that someone in America thinks this way? As I stated earlier, Richard Nixon supported far more "left-wing" policies than Obama currently does. Ronald Reagan would have been trounced in this primary a long time ago. It is just a shifting to the right over the past 40 years that makes people think that the wealthy paying 39% in taxes is socialism, or, as Rick Santorum recently stated, that wanting kids to go to college is snobbish. I think your political mindset is based in the NOW without recognizing how we got to the NOW.

PJ_Soul

@inlet: Oh please. I'm no bigot and never said anything to suggest so.
I had some stuff to say about all this, but then honestly happened to stumble upon some other posts by you - a certain little thread where you outline how you're a climate change denier, and you sure pulled out all the bells and whistles on that one, and then i read another thing or two, and I realized that there is no point in discussing such matters with you. You are way too well versed in Fox-speak, and I admit that I've never been able to muster the energy or desire to combat your brand of debate. I discover that you have a real knack for this... twisting what others say in opposition to your views and always turning it into them having committed the offence of intolerance of other views, and always phrasing it in ways that give the impression of cool objectivity, when in fact it's anything but. You have the same thing going on all over the forum as it turns out... suddenly I'm just not interested in the debate - such tactics are as off-putting to me as a band that rants about how Obama is a commie during their encore break, lol.

inlet13

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

@inlet: Oh please. I'm no bigot and never said anything to suggest so.

Well, saying a conservative couldn't be a fan of a rock band, seems odd. Maybe bigoted, maybe not.

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

I had some stuff to say about all this, but then honestly happened to stumble upon some other posts by you - a certain little thread where you outline how you're a climate change denier, and you sure pulled out all the bells and whistles on that one, and then i read another thing or two, and I realized that there is no point in discussing such matters with you. You are way too well versed in Fox-speak, and I admit that I've never been able to muster the energy or desire to combat your brand of debate. I discover that you have a real knack for this... twisting what others say in opposition to your views and always turning it into them having committed the offence of intolerance of other views, and always phrasing it in ways that give the impression of cool objectivity, when in fact it's anything but. You have the same thing going on all over the forum as it turns out... suddenly I'm just not interested in the debate - such tactics are as off-putting to me as a band that rants about how Obama is a commie during their encore break, lol.

I'm a climate change "denier"? Because I'm not 100% convinced of AGW. ha ha...

Regardless, that's relevant here, how?

Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion on conservative Pearl Jam fans. I wouldn't fall into that category, as I would probably be categorized as a liberatarian. That said, I do think your viewpoint is semi-bigoted. But, I'll relent.

eldarion75

PJ51390 wrote:

eldarion75 wrote:

oh and socialism isn't a bad thing, don't understand the fear of that either. If the rich can pay, well they should pay. And the same health and education should be available to every citizen. What's so bad about that idea I just can't fathom.

Wow! That is amazing that someone in America actually thinks this way!

It is a sad, sad day. There is a reason socialism does not and has not ever worked. Wake up people.

I'm not in America and am not American, sort of the classic American blinkered view that their way is the only way that works. it really isn't. and clearly it's not working too well either.

PJ_Soul

eldarion75 wrote:

PJ51390 wrote:

Wow! That is amazing that someone in America actually thinks this way!

It is a sad, sad day. There is a reason socialism does not and has not ever worked. Wake up people.

I'm not in America and am not American, sort of the classic American blinkered view that their way is the only way that works. it really isn't. and clearly it's not working too well either.

+1
The nations fairing the best now are those with systems much closer to socialism than America, I.e. Canada, Norway, Sweden... but there is always a balance that needs to be met, or else you tip over like Spain, Greece, and France isn't doing so well either. But one thing is for sure: the level of capitalism America has going is not working for them. It can't. The corporate greed combined with the government corruption re kickbacks and special interests causes the American capitalist system to be destructive to its population in the long run. And seriously... people go bankrupt and lose their homes because they get cancer in the US. wtf is up with that??? I think anyone against universal healthcare has to just be totally blind to the reality of what some people go through without it. Imagine, supporting a system where people can get rich off of denying healthcare.

Vitalogy Man

Callaway wrote:

ReaganLeaguer wrote:

I am going to write in Jeb Bush. At least there will be one sensible vote.

I wonder what country he would blame 9/11 for and go bomb?

Stick to golf, man.

Vitalogy Man

Pry To wrote:

PJ51390 wrote:

eldarion75 wrote:

oh and socialism isn't a bad thing, don't understand the fear of that either. If the rich can pay, well they should pay. And the same health and education should be available to every citizen. What's so bad about that idea I just can't fathom.

Wow! That is amazing that someone in America actually thinks this way!

It is a sad, sad day. There is a reason socialism does not and has not ever worked. Wake up people.

The fire department, the police department, public schools, state colleges and universities, Medicare, Medicaid, social security, the roads you drive on = all examples of socialism. You know, in case you're not familiar with what it means. God, I'm arguing with Pearl Jam fans about politics.

Conversely, and with all due respect to the band and my fellow liberals, I'd say that PJ does align with quite a few conservative/capitalist values these days, particularly when it comes to high ticket prices and the Kiss-like merchandising of everything from socks to keychains to lighters to God knows what's next. That's what happens when you gain membership into the 1%, I suppose.

Fire dept is a socialist institution?



This is great...

MG79478

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

It still surprises me that a right winger would be an active 10c member. PJ does stand for certain values and I simply find it weird that someone would be attached enough to a band to be an active paying fan club member while being principally opposed to the messages that the band actively broadcast in a concerted effort to make people realize how wrong his own views are. I would not be able to be a fan of a band that spewed messages i am opposed to. I personally don't feel like a band's music and a band's activism are mutually exclusive. It matters to me; it's a part of the experience for me. That has nothing to do with how I confront opposing political and world views with people in my life. They are people, and music is art - how we choose to appreciate it is personal and has nothing to do with how we interact with other people in Tue world. I wouldn't be able to ignore it if they promoted, say, capitalism and pro-life, and traditional marriage. It would kust be off-putting to me.I'm not even judging. I just think it's weird. Don't know where the controversy is coming from!

If you compare me to the “moderate” liberals on this board, I’m a centrist. Most would call me a conservative though. I’m a big Pearl Jam fan and music fan in general. I’m a fan of their music, not necessarily their political message. You don’t go to the dentist to get your advice on how to fix your car. I wouldn’t want to go listen to extremely gifted musicians for their political view points. Especially when they are a in a position in life where they benefit the most from appearing to be liberal. I always think that if I wasn’t at a concert ignoring their political message, some impressionable young person could be sitting in my seat getting corrupted.

I agree with the guy who said about hearing opposing points of view. Just wanting to ignore them is not the right way. I’m still waiting for a liberal to make an intelligent point, but I’ll at least listen.

eldarion75 wrote:

I'm not in America and am not American, sort of the classic American blinkered view that their way is the only way that works. it really isn't. and clearly it's not working too well either.

I'd give whoever assumed you were American the benefit of the doubt. Most people on this board are American, probably because PJ is an American band.

PJ51390

PJ_Soul3388 wrote:

eldarion75 wrote:

PJ51390 wrote:

Wow! That is amazing that someone in America actually thinks this way!

It is a sad, sad day. There is a reason socialism does not and has not ever worked. Wake up people.

I'm not in America and am not American, sort of the classic American blinkered view that their way is the only way that works. it really isn't. and clearly it's not working too well either.

+1
The nations fairing the best now are those with systems much closer to socialism than America, I.e. Canada, Norway, Sweden... but there is always a balance that needs to be met, or else you tip over like Spain, Greece, and France isn't doing so well either. But one thing is for sure: the level of capitalism America has going is not working for them. It can't. The corporate greed combined with the government corruption re kickbacks and special interests causes the American capitalist system to be destructive to its population in the long run. And seriously... people go bankrupt and lose their homes because they get cancer in the US. wtf is up with that??? I think anyone against universal healthcare has to just be totally blind to the reality of what some people go through without it. Imagine, supporting a system where people can get rich off of denying healthcare.

I will be glad to stay right here in America with a conservative, nothing-close-to-socialism government, but thanks.

And oh yeah, if our police and fire departments are a part of y'alls socialism (HAHAHAHAHA) I guess I can deal with that, but those that think PDs and FDs are socialistic, thanks- that gave me a good chuckle for today.

mfc2006

if he is, great!
i not, that's great too.

his political opinions are his own. and mine are mine. i know how i feel & how i choose to live my life & that's good enough for me.

JimmyV

People from all over the world and from different walks of life enjoy this band. No one should be surprised when members with views from all corners of the political spectrum pop up on the boards. That is what makes this a diverse online community.

Yellow Ledbelly

eldarion75 wrote:

from the outside looking in, it always baffles me that America has such a short memory. Obama didn't invent or create the current economic/employment/overseas combat woes you guys are currently experiencing. He inherited it from the previous President and his administration and due to their lack of foresight, Obama's now the bad guy trying to clean it all up and getting the shit for it.

To be fair, Bush inherited a shit storm due to the "lack of foresight" of his predecessor.
I will say I have little faith in our political system. It goes both ways every time. This one says the other one did this, that and the other when the other one is just as guilty of the same thing given the opportunity.
I always found it comical though that during the last election so much was made of Palin's lack of experience though she was a governor. Our president, at that time, was in the middle of his first senate term....lack of experience, huh? The republicans would have been laughed out of the country had they put forth a candidate with the exact same credentials.

As far as who Eddie supports....it makes no difference to me whatsoever.

thefin190

PJ51390 wrote:

And oh yeah, if our police and fire departments are a part of y'alls socialism (HAHAHAHAHA) I guess I can deal with that, but those that think PDs and FDs are socialistic, thanks- that gave me a good chuckle for today.

This is sad. Apparently Fox News has turned your mind to mush.

Just because Republicans like the police and fire departments doesn't make them any less socialist. They are funded by tax dollars, therefore, its a public service that benefits society at large. But it doesn't matter, us liberals could try to argue this tooth and nail and no matter what facts are presented, conservatives won't get it because they live inside the bubble.

Plus Eddie is probably still supporting Obama.

PJ_Soul

Yellow Ledbelly wrote:

eldarion75 wrote:

from the outside looking in, it always baffles me that America has such a short memory. Obama didn't invent or create the current economic/employment/overseas combat woes you guys are currently experiencing. He inherited it from the previous President and his administration and due to their lack of foresight, Obama's now the bad guy trying to clean it all up and getting the shit for it.

To be fair, Bush inherited a shit storm due to the "lack of foresight" of his predecessor.
I will say I have little faith in our political system. It goes both ways every time. This one says the other one did this, that and the other when the other one is just as guilty of the same thing given the opportunity.
I always found it comical though that during the last election so much was made of Palin's lack of experience though she was a governor. Our president, at that time, was in the middle of his first senate term....lack of experience, huh? The republicans would have been laughed out of the country had they put forth a candidate with the exact same credentials.

As far as who Eddie supports....it makes no difference to me whatsoever.

I think the real issue with Palin was that she was a complete moron... if she hadn't been, no one would have been discussing her lack of experience, as was the case with Obama.

Sawyer

O.B.A.M.A.

One Big Ass Mistake America..........again, worse than Andrew Johnson....but Republicans suck like Jefferson and Lincoln right?

goodbarron

Sawyer wrote:

O.B.A.M.A.

One Big Ass Mistake America..........again, worse than Andrew Johnson....but Republicans suck like Jefferson and Lincoln right?

Did you really just compare Barack Obama to the guy who had to take office cause Lincoln was assassinated? What the hell are you smoking? Ten bucks says you would vote for Sarah Palin. You probably think Santorum's a viable candidate.

Doesn't matter anyway. It was Republicans who were big enough screw ups that America saw Barack Obama as a viable President and now four years later it's Republicans who are still in such a clusterfuck that he's going to stay President for four more years.

RiotZact

goodbarron wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

O.B.A.M.A.

One Big Ass Mistake America..........again, worse than Andrew Johnson....but Republicans suck like Jefferson and Lincoln right?

Did you really just compare Barack Obama to the guy who had to take office cause Lincoln was assassinated? What the hell are you smoking? Ten bucks says you would vote for Sarah Palin. You probably think Santorum's a viable candidate.

Doesn't matter anyway. It was Republicans who were big enough screw ups that America saw Barack Obama as a viable President and now four years later it's Republicans who are still in such a clusterfuck that he's going to stay President for four more years.

The comparison that really made me laugh was the Jefferson/Lincoln one I don't give a shit about politics but even I know (from what I remember learning in middle school History) that the parties didn't even have the same names when Jefferson was the Prez, it was "Federalists" and the "Democratic Republicans", Jefferson was the later, and of the 2 the feds would have been like todays Republicans and the DRs would have been like todays Democrats, so I really have no clue why he would say Jefferson was a Republican. And as for the Lincoln comparison (and Jefferson), just wow, to even try to compare the parties of today and hundreds of years ago just goes to show how stupid some people in our county are.