Not allowed into Canada, ate my Montreal tickets.

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  • riffrandall
    riffrandall Posts: 685
    I think this is what's known as "misdirected anger." Sucks about the tickets, but it sure as hell isn't the 10 club's fault that you missed the show. Why should they call you back, too? It's not their fault you didn't know the laws of the land.
    I can see you getting all upset if you were denied entry into Minnesota from Wisconsin, but this? Come on.

    On the other hand, not to be a bitch, but if you quit the 10C, can my sister have your number?
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  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    Was rocking out the other day to my Bonnaroo boot on the way home, "All Night" was the song I believe when i was pulled over for speeding. 51 in a 35. I told him it wasn't my fault. It was the 10 club for offering these boots in the merchandise section. He gave me the ticket anyway.

    I called the 10 club and complained about it but I received no call back either. Maybe its Kufala's fault or Mike McCready himself. They should at least send me a T-Shirt or something! I'm so pissed right now. GRRRRRRR. Im never buying another bootleg again!
  • teflonsteve
    teflonsteve Posts: 275
    Comatose11 wrote:
    It's no cup of tea crossing from Canada into the States either. Your border Gestapo make ours seem like the Care Bears........

    hahahah very true.
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  • carolinabeerguy
    carolinabeerguy Kernersville, NC Posts: 2,517
    jimbee wrote:
    no doubt it's a shame, but reality is, it's not a 10c issue...you could insert anything in place of 10c and had the same circumstance (plane ticket, ball game, funeral,whatevah...)... another post 9/11 area that we have lost all control of....
    Exactly...In the end, it is your responsibility not 10c's to know the policy of a country you are going to. It doesn't take much homework. The fact that 10c didn't respond is kinda shitty but the fact of the matter is they have their policy in place and it's easily accessible from the same website you bought tickets from. Sure they could bend the rules on an individual basis but I would imagine there are several similar stories/excuses on a nightly basis.
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  • eyesnoeyes
    eyesnoeyes Posts: 50
    oldfannewposter wrote:
    BTW, a DWI once in your life doesn't make you a non-law abiding citizen.

    Actually, I think it does. It doesn't imply that you continue to break the law, but you did at one time, and put yourself and other peoples safety at risk. You've probably learned from your mistake and 'paid your dues' set out by the state where you reside, but c'mon, it's a serious/dangerous lapse of judgement that will unfortunately follow you around for a while, as I strongly believe it should.

    I'd say I agree with the overwhelming response here - it's not 10C's problem, and while it's unfortunate that they didn't or couldn't get back to you, it's YOUR responsibility to make sure your travel plans are going to work out - I mean, you're going to another country...

    Wanting the 10C to send you merch?! Sorry it didn't work out for you and you ate the tickets but as others have said, I think you're misdirecting anger here in a big way (in my opinion).
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  • Justpassingiton
    Justpassingiton Posts: 34
    Well 5 of my friends and I were born and live in Canada, except for one who was born in South Africa, and he moved here when he was 3. At the border coming back into Canada after a in Buffalo we were stopped at the border for 15 minutes, after waiting for 2 hours to cross, not to mention all the cars behind us. The officer who looked at all of our passports excpt for the South African friend who forgot his passport and had drivers license, university student card, health card, social insurance card, accused us of trying to let a 19 year old illegal alien back into Canada. Yes those cards don't prove citizenship, but a 19 year old with all of his id except a passport, and he accuses us of trying to smuggle an immigrant over the border? He was threatening to not let us back into Canada.

    I think these people should spend a little less time trying to catch nothing, like a dwi 6 years ago who doesn't drink anymore, and focus on some things that actually might be a threat to the country. Kindof like ACTUAL CIMINALS WHO ARE KILLING PEOPLE, or are thieves. But you know we can't have someone has done nothing in 9 years, or is a 19 year old trying to go home come in because we have to make room for the murderers and theives. So sorry to the innocent.
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  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    Justpassingiton wrote:
    Well 5 of my friends and I were born and live in Canada, except for one who was born in South Africa, and he moved here when he was 3. At the border coming back into Canada after a in Buffalo we were stopped at the border for 15 minutes, after waiting for 2 hours to cross, not to mention all the cars behind us. The officer who looked at all of our passports excpt for the South African friend who forgot his passport and had drivers license, university student card, health card, social insurance card, accused us of trying to let a 19 year old illegal alien back into Canada. Yes those cards don't prove citizenship, but a 19 year old with all of his id except a passport, and he accuses us of trying to smuggle an immigrant over the border? He was threatening to not let us back into Canada.

    I think these people should spend a little less time trying to catch nothing, like a dwi 6 years ago who doesn't drink anymore, and focus on some things that actually might be a threat to the country. Kindof like ACTUAL CIMINALS WHO ARE KILLING PEOPLE, or are thieves. But you know we can't have someone has done nothing in 9 years, or is a 19 year old trying to go home come in because we have to make room for the murderers and theives. So sorry to the innocent.


    You are crossing an International border??? Your South African friend had no business crossing without any proof of citizenship. This isn't the 1950's and Canada/USA isn't an "open border". Catching criminals has absolutly nothing to do with it...rules are rules...and your friend deserved to be tunred back for not having the proper ID.
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Justpassingiton wrote:
    I think these people should spend a little less time trying to catch nothing, like a dwi 6 years ago who doesn't drink anymore, and focus on some things that actually might be a threat to the country. Kindof like ACTUAL CIMINALS WHO ARE KILLING PEOPLE, or are thieves. But you know we can't have someone has done nothing in 9 years, or is a 19 year old trying to go home come in because we have to make room for the murderers and theives. So sorry to the innocent.


    But at the same time how are the border guards supposed to know? I mean not to pick on the original poster but, criminals typically lie, and if a guy got a DWI 6 years ago how are they supposed to know whether or not he gave up drinking or is still a raging alcholic who just hasn't been caught since then? It is not like they could strap everyone to a lie detector to make sure they are telling the truth.
  • Cropdust Captain
    Cropdust Captain Posts: 62
    oldfannewposter wrote:
    So, we go to the border Friday to spend the evening before Saturday's show. I had a DWI about 6 years ago, as did my girlfriend. I understand that is not anyone else's problem. But just listen...

    They pull us over, rifle through the car, detain us at the border for like 2 hours... and then come out and let us know that we were not allowed into Canada because we both had DWI's in the last 10 years. Neither of us even drink anymore. It created so many problems back then, and that was evidence that it can continue to haunt you.

    With that being said, I called the 10C and left a message regarding the loss of the tickets... asked to be able to give a name of someone who could have at least USED the tickets to the show. No call back, no email response, nothing.

    It isn;t their fault but, due to their "policies" (which aim to stop scalping, yet scalpers have more than enough TM tickets to scalp), I will not be buying 10C tickets anymore. I won;t renew my membership either. I had no idea that Canada treated DWI like this. I have never been to Canada. I read about what you need to cross the border and what to expect, but it said nothing of DWI. It really shocked me and still does.

    So, thanks for reading and, yes, it's my fault I had a DWI, but it's the 10C's fault I ate $180 fucking dollars. I mean, make a concession and give me a tshirt or something from the merch section. The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off. No flexibility, totally rigid regulations, and no common sense or empathy for anyone. Yet we make this whole thing roll (the fans).

    Change your policy. You are screwing people left and right, in and out of Canada. Life gets in the way sometimes. There are family emergencies (not in my case, but I've read about some in the past and it's "Oh well, too bad, no refunds, returns, exchanges for ANY REASON!). No one should have to worry about their tickets when other things are important. You would think they'd use a case by case basis for determining refunds by now. I've read 100's of stories on here that seem legit and the only one that ever was rectified was a guy who felt his "seats weren;t good enough". Give me a break. I hope the 10C can continue to operate now that my $180 dollars (half a weeks work) has enabled them to stay open for business.
    It's a shitty situation, sorry to hear that. It sucks to miss a show, especially b/c of being treated like that at customs.

    I had to miss a show I had 10cl tickets for in 2003, at the last minute...wished the same things you did about a refund, or merch, or something (at the time, I think they didn't say "no refunds" yet in the ticket policy). I called them up, emailed them, etc, but they weren't too sympathetic, lol. Said I could transfer them but that was it. So I always felt it would be good if they were able to accomodate people like that, since they're trying to not be ticketmaster it would be cool if they had a refund type policy, but it would be difficult for them to determine legitimacy, etc, as others have mentioned.

    Anyway, yeah...I think our border needs to be a little looser, not tighter, sucks that it happened to you (although it's true that US customs agents are worse than ours a lot of the time). Here's an article I read not long ago about Americans getting denied at the border after years of visiting b/c of bigger crackdowns at customs:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/23/NEVIUS.TMP

    I wouldn't drop your 10cl membership. You'll probably regret it later on, plus who knows what type of policy changes they'll make in the future.
  • sward
    sward Posts: 586
    As others have alluded to, while it is a crappy situation, the 10C bears no responsibility for the reimbursement of your ticket(s). Consider for a second that they actually have no idea what the real reason is that you weren't able to use your ticket. As far as they know you were at home and just didn't want to make the trip anymore. Know what I mean? They aren't set up to verify the voracity of your claim, nor should they be.

    As far as the border crossing goes, here is a link to some methods to allowing passage into our county.
    http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5312E3.asp

    That said, I am not sure if having two people in one vehicle having a criminal record negates the possibility of applying for entrance as a rehabilitated visitor (see the link for the gist around all that). I know you can do it separately, but your entrance would be dependent on both parties having completed this step.
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Jango wrote:
    Anyway, yeah...I think our border needs to be a little looser, not tighter, sucks that it happened to you (although it's truethat US customs agents are worse than ours a lot of the time). Here's an article I read not long ago about Americans getting denied at the border after years of visiting b/c of bigger crackdowns at customs:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/23/NEVIUS.TMP


    The funny thing is I bet that the stricter policies at the Canadian border are most likely because of US pressure for Canada to tighten its border.
  • InMyTree4
    InMyTree4 Posts: 1,239
    oldfannewposter wrote:
    So, we go to the border Friday to spend the evening before Saturday's show. I had a DWI about 6 years ago, as did my girlfriend. I understand that is not anyone else's problem. But just listen...

    They pull us over, rifle through the car, detain us at the border for like 2 hours... and then come out and let us know that we were not allowed into Canada because we both had DWI's in the last 10 years. Neither of us even drink anymore. It created so many problems back then, and that was evidence that it can continue to haunt you.

    With that being said, I called the 10C and left a message regarding the loss of the tickets... asked to be able to give a name of someone who could have at least USED the tickets to the show. No call back, no email response, nothing.

    It isn;t their fault but, due to their "policies" (which aim to stop scalping, yet scalpers have more than enough TM tickets to scalp), I will not be buying 10C tickets anymore. I won;t renew my membership either. I had no idea that Canada treated DWI like this. I have never been to Canada. I read about what you need to cross the border and what to expect, but it said nothing of DWI. It really shocked me and still does.

    So, thanks for reading and, yes, it's my fault I had a DWI, but it's the 10C's fault I ate $180 fucking dollars. I mean, make a concession and give me a tshirt or something from the merch section. The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off. No flexibility, totally rigid regulations, and no common sense or empathy for anyone. Yet we make this whole thing roll (the fans).

    Change your policy. You are screwing people left and right, in and out of Canada. Life gets in the way sometimes. There are family emergencies (not in my case, but I've read about some in the past and it's "Oh well, too bad, no refunds, returns, exchanges for ANY REASON!). No one should have to worry about their tickets when other things are important. You would think they'd use a case by case basis for determining refunds by now. I've read 100's of stories on here that seem legit and the only one that ever was rectified was a guy who felt his "seats weren;t good enough". Give me a break. I hope the 10C can continue to operate now that my $180 dollars (half a weeks work) has enabled them to stay open for business.

    this is in no way the ten clubs fault.
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  • Trixie
    Trixie Posts: 179
    For your information, a Canadian with a DUI can't make it across the border into the U.S. either. My ex was refused entry on our way to Florida for a vacation. It's got nothing to do with it being a misdemeanour in US and a felony in Canada. The US has had a "zero tolerance" policy long before Canada ever did.
    oldfannewposter wrote:
    The point is I didn;t think something you've "done your time for" that is a misdemeanor in the US is a felony in Canada. My other point is I received no contact from the 10C when I called and emailed about it. That's what pisses me off more than anything.
  • ciaochow
    ciaochow Posts: 97
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    The funny thing is I bet that the stricter policies at the Canadian border are most likely because of US pressure for Canada to tighten its border.

    Excellent point!
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  • PaulMac
    PaulMac Posts: 54
    teskeinc wrote:
    Was rocking out the other day to my Bonnaroo boot on the way home, "All Night" was the song I believe when i was pulled over for speeding. 51 in a 35. I told him it wasn't my fault. It was the 10 club for offering these boots in the merchandise section. He gave me the ticket anyway.

    I called the 10 club and complained about it but I received no call back either. Maybe its Kufala's fault or Mike McCready himself. They should at least send me a T-Shirt or something! I'm so pissed right now. GRRRRRRR. Im never buying another bootleg again!


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  • Porchaholic
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    teskeinc wrote:
    Was rocking out the other day to my Bonnaroo boot on the way home, "All Night" was the song I believe when i was pulled over for speeding. 51 in a 35. I told him it wasn't my fault. It was the 10 club for offering these boots in the merchandise section. He gave me the ticket anyway.

    I called the 10 club and complained about it but I received no call back either. Maybe its Kufala's fault or Mike McCready himself. They should at least send me a T-Shirt or something! I'm so pissed right now. GRRRRRRR. Im never buying another bootleg again!



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  • moses-i
    moses-i Posts: 139
    share wrote:
    we are too busy allowing murderers,drug dealers and immigrants by the
    thousands into our country.
    We have to draw the line somewhere.

    Quite frankly I am disgusted by the seemingly right wing comments coming from people on this board. As a Polish immigrant to Canada, I take huge offense to the comment about border guards letting in immigrants. Maybe it was some sort of lame joke, I don't know but I certainly don't count myself among the worst of society and I certainly don't feel that way about my parents and brother. Furthermore, what first hand experience do you have that they are just waving murderers and drug dealers in? They don't just focus on DUIs, this is just one story and I definitely feel for the original poster but it doesn't mean other people are getting through. I know for a fact that there have been several musicians who could not get into Canada from Jamaica ( I listen to a lot of dancehall) because of outstanding gun charges and drug possesion charges. Nonetheless, criminals always find a way in and if you think Canada is so unsafe than you are ridiculously deluded!
    In your opinion, maybe we should reinstate the death penalty as well.
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  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,830
    oldfannewposter wrote:
    So, we go to the border Friday to spend the evening before Saturday's show. I had a DWI about 6 years ago, as did my girlfriend. I understand that is not anyone else's problem. But just listen...

    They pull us over, rifle through the car, detain us at the border for like 2 hours... and then come out and let us know that we were not allowed into Canada because we both had DWI's in the last 10 years. Neither of us even drink anymore. It created so many problems back then, and that was evidence that it can continue to haunt you.

    With that being said, I called the 10C and left a message regarding the loss of the tickets... asked to be able to give a name of someone who could have at least USED the tickets to the show. No call back, no email response, nothing.

    It isn;t their fault but, due to their "policies" (which aim to stop scalping, yet scalpers have more than enough TM tickets to scalp), I will not be buying 10C tickets anymore. I won;t renew my membership either. I had no idea that Canada treated DWI like this. I have never been to Canada. I read about what you need to cross the border and what to expect, but it said nothing of DWI. It really shocked me and still does.

    So, thanks for reading and, yes, it's my fault I had a DWI, but it's the 10C's fault I ate $180 fucking dollars. I mean, make a concession and give me a tshirt or something from the merch section. The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off. No flexibility, totally rigid regulations, and no common sense or empathy for anyone. Yet we make this whole thing roll (the fans).

    Change your policy. You are screwing people left and right, in and out of Canada. Life gets in the way sometimes. There are family emergencies (not in my case, but I've read about some in the past and it's "Oh well, too bad, no refunds, returns, exchanges for ANY REASON!). No one should have to worry about their tickets when other things are important. You would think they'd use a case by case basis for determining refunds by now. I've read 100's of stories on here that seem legit and the only one that ever was rectified was a guy who felt his "seats weren;t good enough". Give me a break. I hope the 10C can continue to operate now that my $180 dollars (half a weeks work) has enabled them to stay open for business.

    Sucks you missed the show, but a few things to keep in mind:

    You called the 10C on a Friday, and you still hadn't received a response as of 8:30am Monday morning.....hmmm, perhaps they had the nerve to not work on the weekend?

    The 10C gets their tickets from the show's promoters, and, they pay said promoters for the tickets...its not like they keep all $180. They retain some of the service charge.

    The 10C makes it clear that there are no tranfers/refunds....there is no way to tell whether or not someone is fibbing when they present circumstances related to a transfer/refund request, so a few people ruin it for the rest of us.

    Hope you get to see another show soon.
  • WeBelongTogether
    WeBelongTogether Posts: 340
    oldfannewposter wrote:
    So, we go to the border Friday to spend the evening before Saturday's show. I had a DWI about 6 years ago, as did my girlfriend. .

    Do you have a passport? Or did you just try to get in w/ drivers license - they might be stricter w/ no passports (i'm just guessing here).
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  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    Whats your 10 club number so we know if we have moved up or not?

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