Anyway, yeah...I think our border needs to be a little looser, not tighter, sucks that it happened to you (although it's truethat US customs agents are worse than ours a lot of the time). Here's an article I read not long ago about Americans getting denied at the border after years of visiting b/c of bigger crackdowns at customs:
So, we go to the border Friday to spend the evening before Saturday's show. I had a DWI about 6 years ago, as did my girlfriend. I understand that is not anyone else's problem. But just listen...
They pull us over, rifle through the car, detain us at the border for like 2 hours... and then come out and let us know that we were not allowed into Canada because we both had DWI's in the last 10 years. Neither of us even drink anymore. It created so many problems back then, and that was evidence that it can continue to haunt you.
With that being said, I called the 10C and left a message regarding the loss of the tickets... asked to be able to give a name of someone who could have at least USED the tickets to the show. No call back, no email response, nothing.
It isn;t their fault but, due to their "policies" (which aim to stop scalping, yet scalpers have more than enough TM tickets to scalp), I will not be buying 10C tickets anymore. I won;t renew my membership either. I had no idea that Canada treated DWI like this. I have never been to Canada. I read about what you need to cross the border and what to expect, but it said nothing of DWI. It really shocked me and still does.
So, thanks for reading and, yes, it's my fault I had a DWI, but it's the 10C's fault I ate $180 fucking dollars. I mean, make a concession and give me a tshirt or something from the merch section. The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off. No flexibility, totally rigid regulations, and no common sense or empathy for anyone. Yet we make this whole thing roll (the fans).
Change your policy. You are screwing people left and right, in and out of Canada. Life gets in the way sometimes. There are family emergencies (not in my case, but I've read about some in the past and it's "Oh well, too bad, no refunds, returns, exchanges for ANY REASON!). No one should have to worry about their tickets when other things are important. You would think they'd use a case by case basis for determining refunds by now. I've read 100's of stories on here that seem legit and the only one that ever was rectified was a guy who felt his "seats weren;t good enough". Give me a break. I hope the 10C can continue to operate now that my $180 dollars (half a weeks work) has enabled them to stay open for business.
For your information, a Canadian with a DUI can't make it across the border into the U.S. either. My ex was refused entry on our way to Florida for a vacation. It's got nothing to do with it being a misdemeanour in US and a felony in Canada. The US has had a "zero tolerance" policy long before Canada ever did.
The point is I didn;t think something you've "done your time for" that is a misdemeanor in the US is a felony in Canada. My other point is I received no contact from the 10C when I called and emailed about it. That's what pisses me off more than anything.
The funny thing is I bet that the stricter policies at the Canadian border are most likely because of US pressure for Canada to tighten its border.
Excellent point!
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Was rocking out the other day to my Bonnaroo boot on the way home, "All Night" was the song I believe when i was pulled over for speeding. 51 in a 35. I told him it wasn't my fault. It was the 10 club for offering these boots in the merchandise section. He gave me the ticket anyway.
I called the 10 club and complained about it but I received no call back either. Maybe its Kufala's fault or Mike McCready himself. They should at least send me a T-Shirt or something! I'm so pissed right now. GRRRRRRR. Im never buying another bootleg again!
lol. hilarious.
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Was rocking out the other day to my Bonnaroo boot on the way home, "All Night" was the song I believe when i was pulled over for speeding. 51 in a 35. I told him it wasn't my fault. It was the 10 club for offering these boots in the merchandise section. He gave me the ticket anyway.
I called the 10 club and complained about it but I received no call back either. Maybe its Kufala's fault or Mike McCready himself. They should at least send me a T-Shirt or something! I'm so pissed right now. GRRRRRRR. Im never buying another bootleg again!
LOL...Nicely Put...
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2011 - Detroit, Fox Theatre
2011 - Toronto 1 ACC Hamilton, Copps Coliseum
2013 - London, JLC Buffalo, FNC
2014 - Detroit, Joe Louis Arena 2016 - Toronto 1 & 2, ACC 2018 - Boston 1 & 2, Fenway Park
we are too busy allowing murderers,drug dealers and immigrants by the
thousands into our country.
We have to draw the line somewhere.
Quite frankly I am disgusted by the seemingly right wing comments coming from people on this board. As a Polish immigrant to Canada, I take huge offense to the comment about border guards letting in immigrants. Maybe it was some sort of lame joke, I don't know but I certainly don't count myself among the worst of society and I certainly don't feel that way about my parents and brother. Furthermore, what first hand experience do you have that they are just waving murderers and drug dealers in? They don't just focus on DUIs, this is just one story and I definitely feel for the original poster but it doesn't mean other people are getting through. I know for a fact that there have been several musicians who could not get into Canada from Jamaica ( I listen to a lot of dancehall) because of outstanding gun charges and drug possesion charges. Nonetheless, criminals always find a way in and if you think Canada is so unsafe than you are ridiculously deluded!
In your opinion, maybe we should reinstate the death penalty as well.
So, we go to the border Friday to spend the evening before Saturday's show. I had a DWI about 6 years ago, as did my girlfriend. I understand that is not anyone else's problem. But just listen...
They pull us over, rifle through the car, detain us at the border for like 2 hours... and then come out and let us know that we were not allowed into Canada because we both had DWI's in the last 10 years. Neither of us even drink anymore. It created so many problems back then, and that was evidence that it can continue to haunt you.
With that being said, I called the 10C and left a message regarding the loss of the tickets... asked to be able to give a name of someone who could have at least USED the tickets to the show. No call back, no email response, nothing.
It isn;t their fault but, due to their "policies" (which aim to stop scalping, yet scalpers have more than enough TM tickets to scalp), I will not be buying 10C tickets anymore. I won;t renew my membership either. I had no idea that Canada treated DWI like this. I have never been to Canada. I read about what you need to cross the border and what to expect, but it said nothing of DWI. It really shocked me and still does.
So, thanks for reading and, yes, it's my fault I had a DWI, but it's the 10C's fault I ate $180 fucking dollars. I mean, make a concession and give me a tshirt or something from the merch section. The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off. No flexibility, totally rigid regulations, and no common sense or empathy for anyone. Yet we make this whole thing roll (the fans).
Change your policy. You are screwing people left and right, in and out of Canada. Life gets in the way sometimes. There are family emergencies (not in my case, but I've read about some in the past and it's "Oh well, too bad, no refunds, returns, exchanges for ANY REASON!). No one should have to worry about their tickets when other things are important. You would think they'd use a case by case basis for determining refunds by now. I've read 100's of stories on here that seem legit and the only one that ever was rectified was a guy who felt his "seats weren;t good enough". Give me a break. I hope the 10C can continue to operate now that my $180 dollars (half a weeks work) has enabled them to stay open for business.
Sucks you missed the show, but a few things to keep in mind:
You called the 10C on a Friday, and you still hadn't received a response as of 8:30am Monday morning.....hmmm, perhaps they had the nerve to not work on the weekend?
The 10C gets their tickets from the show's promoters, and, they pay said promoters for the tickets...its not like they keep all $180. They retain some of the service charge.
The 10C makes it clear that there are no tranfers/refunds....there is no way to tell whether or not someone is fibbing when they present circumstances related to a transfer/refund request, so a few people ruin it for the rest of us.
But to blame 10 club for not coming to your aid in times of desperation, is not really reasonable!! Really, 10 club is doing its job, they've never claimed to be anything other than a fan club BUSINESS. Asking them for something in return is not only ballsy, but unreal. The rules are stated the minute we all agree to buy tickets. They're not redeemable, transferable, refundable, etc. etc. They have to do this as a business, they're covering their ass! So, really this is ridiculous, sorry.
I really am sorry about your border situation, I disagree that you can't get through because of a mistake you made in the past. It all depends on the person at the gate, what mood they're in, and the reasons you state for entering the country. That sucks that it happened!
In your opinion, maybe we should reinstate the death penalty as well.
in my opinion yes, the death penalty should be re-instated.
Especially for 10club members who have dui's on their record and
are refused entry to see an Ed Vedder concert.
we're all sentient snowflakes
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You are mad at the 10C because they didnt call you back??? You feel as if you should be credited??? LOL
At no time did you think you should check into policy on entering a new country, maybe check out the border rules?
Bad choices hount for a long time.
So, we go to the border Friday to spend the evening before Saturday's show. I had a DWI about 6 years ago, as did my girlfriend. I understand that is not anyone else's problem. But just listen...
They pull us over, rifle through the car, detain us at the border for like 2 hours... and then come out and let us know that we were not allowed into Canada because we both had DWI's in the last 10 years. Neither of us even drink anymore. It created so many problems back then, and that was evidence that it can continue to haunt you.
With that being said, I called the 10C and left a message regarding the loss of the tickets... asked to be able to give a name of someone who could have at least USED the tickets to the show. No call back, no email response, nothing.
It isn;t their fault but, due to their "policies" (which aim to stop scalping, yet scalpers have more than enough TM tickets to scalp), I will not be buying 10C tickets anymore. I won;t renew my membership either. I had no idea that Canada treated DWI like this. I have never been to Canada. I read about what you need to cross the border and what to expect, but it said nothing of DWI. It really shocked me and still does.
So, thanks for reading and, yes, it's my fault I had a DWI, but it's the 10C's fault I ate $180 fucking dollars. I mean, make a concession and give me a tshirt or something from the merch section. The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off. No flexibility, totally rigid regulations, and no common sense or empathy for anyone. Yet we make this whole thing roll (the fans).
Change your policy. You are screwing people left and right, in and out of Canada. Life gets in the way sometimes. There are family emergencies (not in my case, but I've read about some in the past and it's "Oh well, too bad, no refunds, returns, exchanges for ANY REASON!). No one should have to worry about their tickets when other things are important. You would think they'd use a case by case basis for determining refunds by now. I've read 100's of stories on here that seem legit and the only one that ever was rectified was a guy who felt his "seats weren;t good enough". Give me a break. I hope the 10C can continue to operate now that my $180 dollars (half a weeks work) has enabled them to stay open for business.
A pessimist is a man who thinks all women are bad. An optimist is one who hopes they are.
Quite frankly I am disgusted by the seemingly right wing comments coming from people on this board. As a Polish immigrant to Canada, I take huge offense to the comment about border guards letting in immigrants. Maybe it was some sort of lame joke, I don't know but I certainly don't count myself among the worst of society and I certainly don't feel that way about my parents and brother. Furthermore, what first hand experience do you have that they are just waving murderers and drug dealers in? They don't just focus on DUIs, this is just one story and I definitely feel for the original poster but it doesn't mean other people are getting through. I know for a fact that there have been several musicians who could not get into Canada from Jamaica ( I listen to a lot of dancehall) because of outstanding gun charges and drug possesion charges. Nonetheless, criminals always find a way in and if you think Canada is so unsafe than you are ridiculously deluded!
In your opinion, maybe we should reinstate the death penalty as well.
A pessimist is a man who thinks all women are bad. An optimist is one who hopes they are.
Why is it their job to refund nonrefundable tickets? You bought em knowing full well that you would eat them if for some reason you couldn't make it to the show, end of story.
I am not blaming the 10C for not getting into Canada. I am blaming myself for not looking into it further, as I stated in my original post. In the same breath, I also said I would have liked to TRANSFER the tickets. Lots of people work on the weekend. I read this board enough to know a thread like this will get fired up, that's fine. Thanks for the feedback and information links so I can make arrangements someday if I need to. Everyone is entited to their own opinion on border matter, as am I.
Also, yes, I had my official documentation in the form of a passport. So did she.
"One just escapes, one's left inside the well... and he who forgets will be destined to remember"
I am not blaming the 10C for not getting into Canada. I am blaming myself for not looking into it further, as I stated in my original post. In the same breath, I also said I would have liked to TRANSFER the tickets. Lots of people work on the weekend. I read this board enough to know a thread like this will get fired up, that's fine. Thanks for the feedback and information links so I can make arrangements someday if I need to. Everyone is entited to their own opinion on border matter, as am I.
Also, yes, I had my official documentation in the form of a passport. So did she.
This issue doesn't involve 10C. You had a DWI, so did your wife. I know they won't let people who have had DWI's into Canada for 10 years and I've never had one. You are saying this is Point A, this is Point B. Reality is you made a mistake, and you paid for it. Sorry for being harsh but its true. You had the DWI and weren't allowed access into Canada. That is your issue and nobody elses.
sorry for your experience at the border - it is well within your right to give up your membership ... that's your perogative however i would caution you making a rash decision ...
let's face it - 10C ain't perfect but for the most part - they do their best and i like my single and access to good seats at shows for my annual membership ...
Ok you said you were crossing to come to the Montreal show?
Did it ever occur to you that the reason 10C didn't get back to you was that it was the fucking WEEKEND!!!
They don't work 7 days a week you know...they shut down on the weekends just like any other office. If this had been a weekday show, maybe they might have gotten back to you...but don't get pissy cause nobody was there on their day off ok!!
"Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
That story fucked up my good mood. WOW. Petition the 10C on this guys behalf. I'll sign.
Petition...PETITION!! What exactly are you petitioning about? This is not 10C's fault or problem. Maybe they should just chaulk up the experience as another reason to never drive drunk again!
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2000 – Toronto, ACC
2003 – Toronto, Molson Amphitheatre
2005 – London, JLC Toronto, ACC
2006 – Toronto 1 & 2, ACC
2008 - Toronto Massey Hall 1 & 2 2009 - Toronto, Molson Amphitheatre
2011 - Detroit, Fox Theatre
2011 - Toronto 1 ACC Hamilton, Copps Coliseum
2013 - London, JLC Buffalo, FNC
2014 - Detroit, Joe Louis Arena 2016 - Toronto 1 & 2, ACC 2018 - Boston 1 & 2, Fenway Park
So, thanks for reading and, yes, it's my fault I had a DWI, but it's the 10C's fault I ate $180 fucking dollars (instead of at least having someone USE the tickets). I mean, make a concession and give me a tshirt or something from the merch section. The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off. No flexibility, totally rigid regulations, and no common sense or empathy for anyone. Yet we make this whole thing roll (the fans).
hahahaha
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1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest 2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1 2022: Nashville 2023: Ft. Worth II 2024: Baltimore
Why is it their job to refund nonrefundable tickets? You bought em knowing full well that you would eat them if for some reason you couldn't make it to the show, end of story.
I am not blaming the 10C for not getting into Canada. I am blaming myself for not looking into it further, as I stated in my original post. In the same breath, I also said I would have liked to TRANSFER the tickets. Lots of people work on the weekend. I read this board enough to know a thread like this will get fired up, that's fine. Thanks for the feedback and information links so I can make arrangements someday if I need to. Everyone is entited to their own opinion on border matter, as am I.
Also, yes, I had my official documentation in the form of a passport. So did she.
oh well- chalk it up to a life lesson-
you big drunk!
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oh boy, she was a drunk too-
lol..... I love this thread!
I could do without all of the blaming of the 10 club in the 1st post
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1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest 2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1 2022: Nashville 2023: Ft. Worth II 2024: Baltimore
Canada along with many other countries does not allow convicted fellons into the country. Last time I checked, a DWI conviction is a felony against you....its not specific to DWI, its specific to having a felony on your record..
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The funny thing is I bet that the stricter policies at the Canadian border are most likely because of US pressure for Canada to tighten its border.
this is in no way the ten clubs fault.
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Excellent point!
19. ottawa - may '11
18. montreal - sept '11
17. toronto - aug '09
16. toronto - aug '08 (ev solo)
15. toronto - aug '08 (ev solo)
14. montreal - aug '08 (ev solo)
13. montreal - aug '08 (ev solo)
12. toronto - may '06
11. ottawa - sept '05
10. mansfield, ma - july '03
9. NYC - oct '00 (nader rally)
8. mansfield, ma - sept '00
7. DC - sept '98 (voters for choice)
6. NYC - sept '98
5. east rutherford, NJ - sept '98
4. montreal - aug '98
3. augusta, me - sept '96
2. toronto - sept '96
1. gimli - aug '93
lol. hilarious.
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08/01/08 - B, MA (E.V.)
06/30/08 - M, MA
05/25/08 - B, MA
08/30/00 - M, MA
LOL...Nicely Put...
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2003 – Toronto, Molson Amphitheatre
2005 – London, JLC
Toronto, ACC
2006 – Toronto 1 & 2, ACC
2008 - Toronto Massey Hall 1 & 2
2009 - Toronto, Molson Amphitheatre
2011 - Detroit, Fox Theatre
2011 - Toronto 1 ACC
Hamilton, Copps Coliseum
2013 - London, JLC
Buffalo, FNC
2014 - Detroit, Joe Louis Arena
2016 - Toronto 1 & 2, ACC
2018 - Boston 1 & 2, Fenway Park
Quite frankly I am disgusted by the seemingly right wing comments coming from people on this board. As a Polish immigrant to Canada, I take huge offense to the comment about border guards letting in immigrants. Maybe it was some sort of lame joke, I don't know but I certainly don't count myself among the worst of society and I certainly don't feel that way about my parents and brother. Furthermore, what first hand experience do you have that they are just waving murderers and drug dealers in? They don't just focus on DUIs, this is just one story and I definitely feel for the original poster but it doesn't mean other people are getting through. I know for a fact that there have been several musicians who could not get into Canada from Jamaica ( I listen to a lot of dancehall) because of outstanding gun charges and drug possesion charges. Nonetheless, criminals always find a way in and if you think Canada is so unsafe than you are ridiculously deluded!
In your opinion, maybe we should reinstate the death penalty as well.
Sucks you missed the show, but a few things to keep in mind:
You called the 10C on a Friday, and you still hadn't received a response as of 8:30am Monday morning.....hmmm, perhaps they had the nerve to not work on the weekend?
The 10C gets their tickets from the show's promoters, and, they pay said promoters for the tickets...its not like they keep all $180. They retain some of the service charge.
The 10C makes it clear that there are no tranfers/refunds....there is no way to tell whether or not someone is fibbing when they present circumstances related to a transfer/refund request, so a few people ruin it for the rest of us.
Hope you get to see another show soon.
Do you have a passport? Or did you just try to get in w/ drivers license - they might be stricter w/ no passports (i'm just guessing here).
But to blame 10 club for not coming to your aid in times of desperation, is not really reasonable!! Really, 10 club is doing its job, they've never claimed to be anything other than a fan club BUSINESS. Asking them for something in return is not only ballsy, but unreal. The rules are stated the minute we all agree to buy tickets. They're not redeemable, transferable, refundable, etc. etc. They have to do this as a business, they're covering their ass! So, really this is ridiculous, sorry.
I really am sorry about your border situation, I disagree that you can't get through because of a mistake you made in the past. It all depends on the person at the gate, what mood they're in, and the reasons you state for entering the country. That sucks that it happened!
in my opinion yes, the death penalty should be re-instated.
Especially for 10club members who have dui's on their record and
are refused entry to see an Ed Vedder concert.
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I'm a number that doesn't count
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the nothing ventured - the nothing feigned
At no time did you think you should check into policy on entering a new country, maybe check out the border rules?
Bad choices hount for a long time.
this just might be the greatest thread ever.
LOL
Also, yes, I had my official documentation in the form of a passport. So did she.
This issue doesn't involve 10C. You had a DWI, so did your wife. I know they won't let people who have had DWI's into Canada for 10 years and I've never had one. You are saying this is Point A, this is Point B. Reality is you made a mistake, and you paid for it. Sorry for being harsh but its true. You had the DWI and weren't allowed access into Canada. That is your issue and nobody elses.
let's face it - 10C ain't perfect but for the most part - they do their best and i like my single and access to good seats at shows for my annual membership ...
Did it ever occur to you that the reason 10C didn't get back to you was that it was the fucking WEEKEND!!!
They don't work 7 days a week you know...they shut down on the weekends just like any other office. If this had been a weekday show, maybe they might have gotten back to you...but don't get pissy cause nobody was there on their day off ok!!
Petition...PETITION!! What exactly are you petitioning about? This is not 10C's fault or problem. Maybe they should just chaulk up the experience as another reason to never drive drunk again!
2000 – Toronto, ACC
2003 – Toronto, Molson Amphitheatre
2005 – London, JLC
Toronto, ACC
2006 – Toronto 1 & 2, ACC
2008 - Toronto Massey Hall 1 & 2
2009 - Toronto, Molson Amphitheatre
2011 - Detroit, Fox Theatre
2011 - Toronto 1 ACC
Hamilton, Copps Coliseum
2013 - London, JLC
Buffalo, FNC
2014 - Detroit, Joe Louis Arena
2016 - Toronto 1 & 2, ACC
2018 - Boston 1 & 2, Fenway Park
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
2022: Nashville
2023: Ft. Worth II
2024: Baltimore
Upcoming: 2025 Hollywood, FL Night 2
I know, tickets are never refundable.
you big drunk!
lol..... I love this thread!
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
2022: Nashville
2023: Ft. Worth II
2024: Baltimore
Upcoming: 2025 Hollywood, FL Night 2
Very typical of the dx of a drunk.