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Why do we need to "believe" in God?
Restless Soul
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Hope it's ok to post this question here, if not then mods feel free to move.
Anyway, from what I can see, the two key components in most religions, (it seems to me) is the need to believe in God, as well as the need to believe he/she/it/they are "real".
But why do we need to believe in God if he etc is real?
I'm not asking this question to be antagonistic to believers. It is a genuine enquiry about something which has often eluded me. Maybe I'm just not good with non-tangible concepts, but its often confused me that if God if real then why we need to "believe" in him? A table is real but I dont need to "believe" in it for it to be there. Have. I missed something?
Dont get me wrong, I'm not "anti-God" or anything, I'm generally agnostic I guess, but I'll believe anything if I can find a convincing argument for it. So I guess this is a question for the believers out there, why is it necessary to have to believe in God - he's either there or he's not right?
Anyway, from what I can see, the two key components in most religions, (it seems to me) is the need to believe in God, as well as the need to believe he/she/it/they are "real".
But why do we need to believe in God if he etc is real?
I'm not asking this question to be antagonistic to believers. It is a genuine enquiry about something which has often eluded me. Maybe I'm just not good with non-tangible concepts, but its often confused me that if God if real then why we need to "believe" in him? A table is real but I dont need to "believe" in it for it to be there. Have. I missed something?
Dont get me wrong, I'm not "anti-God" or anything, I'm generally agnostic I guess, but I'll believe anything if I can find a convincing argument for it. So I guess this is a question for the believers out there, why is it necessary to have to believe in God - he's either there or he's not right?
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Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
I guess so, I do believe there is a spiritual dimension to life myself, but what it actually contains or consists of is is another question. I'm not so sure about that bit.
However, I'm really curious why most of the major religions seem to have this requirement to "believe" in God and therefore believe he (she, it etc) is real. What is it about "believing" in God that is so important? If he is real then why do we have to believe in him? He is there anyway?
I feel like there's a connection I'm not making here, so am hoping to get some insights from you learned lot!
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Lol! But are you saying that if we don't believe we will cease to exist??
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Or maybe it's religions way of controlling thoughts...it's the first step towards creating and normalising irrational thinking processes which helps people to believe in something that patently isnt there...kind of like the emperor's new clothes...
I can't help but think this sometimes, even though I do want to believe. I used to, but then I stopped.
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* At least that is the case for most people. Of course, some people believe to have been touched by God etc.
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Some people believe because it comforts them but that doesn't make it true.
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Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
This.
If I told you (OP) about a table that you couldn't experience with your five senses - whether it's some kind of magical table or it's just that you're not in the same place as the table - you'd have to choose whether or not to believe in its existence too. (Unless you just don't care, in which case you wouldn't have to decide to believe anything.)
For comfort of the the unknown concerning death.
For comfort of having a purpose.
For comfort of understanding what is not know about how life and the universe works.
I guess I just don't have a problem admitting I don't have all the answers, and I feel confident enough in my faith to be cool with that. I don't believe there's anything in Science that dispels God, and I believe that everything, the construction of our universe, the laws of physics, evolution, all of it just screams God to me. So I don't believe because I have some sort of need, I just believe because I can't help but do so.
As for myself, I'm ok with random... I don't believe in any gods (except for Pearl Jam
If you hate something, don't you do it too...~
Belief in the game controls that keeps us in a box of fear
We never listen
Voice inside so drowned out
Just yesterday I was having a conversation about why people become religiously fundamentalist. My view is that they prefer the parameters of fundamentalsim that make life's choices easier. They don't have to grapple with difficult decisions as often. I have a few friends who are like that and I would never disparage their choice so this is not a put down. But it sure isn't for me. I tried being a fundy Christian about 35 years ago because my close friends at the time were into it and I was lonely afraid to be in the box of fear that is loneliness-- but my attemt in accepting the religion failed becasue for me, it was a lie. So the logical conclusion for me is that I don't need to believe in God in any specific form or order. To me, God is another word for mystery.
from the religions of the world.
That people will not let God just be in their lives.
When this is because of religion,
any needs aside, but for the fact that no religion 'spoke' to them,
they will not speak to God.
People made religion, it is more about them than God.
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I understand what you mean.
"Religions" do tag on that "belief" requirement.
Christians= Jesus said nobody could enter through the kingdom of God/heaven except through me.
Jewish = the "chosen" people
Muslim = excludes the "Infidels".
Can you believe that God- "any god" (loose term used for the loose purposes herein) would exclude so many people? No.
So Religion discredits its own self, now doesn't it? Ha!
Further note...I saw a show probably on the Discovery Channel or something like that, where experiments where being done to trigger the "God Center" area of the brain--no kidding.
Apparently the "God Center" evolved in humans right around the time humanity began to realize and comprehend
1) We're living on a giant rock that dangles all by itself in outer space and
2) We're all gonna die
And the sermon was Evenflow at PJ20.
well you are right. You don't have to believe in God.
Just keep in mind, that the table is simply a construct of matter that reflects light. The table isn't any more "real" than a belief. I would argue that a belief does have a physical form as well it just resides in synapses in your brain. So I cannot rest my coffee on it, but it doesn't make it less real.
So being that the any physical form is simply a state of your mind and its perception, a God would really be no different. So, if someone, anyone believes in a God, that would make the God real. Whether or not you believe is secondary.
As far as having to believe in a God, religions generally push to say they are the right way. I think some of it is just simply human nature...the whole i am right so you all must be wrong kind of thing...but i also think that there is a sincere sect of Christianity for example that believe it is their duty to save others by telling others they are right and that if we all follow we will be "saved"...So since God's physical form may be simply a synapse that seems to be impossible to grab, a belief is necessary because the God in question may only be a synapse. Do you think a person who has never seen a table and simply had one explained to them would not be simply going on belief and trust that it exists? They would have to believe in a table in order for that table to exist in their mind...
Hopefully that made sense.
i don't know, wish I had more time to explain exactly what I want to say, but that would take way too long...maybe I will just blame that rambling on being drunk
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Nature was here before humans, they didn't believe in God to exist. They technically don't even really know they themselves exist. Spirituality is knowing we are unified with all that exists, not just one omniscient being.
Good cannot exist without Evil. It's how humanity defines them. Before us, things just existed.
So no, you don't need to believe in God. If you want to, that's up to you.
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