Give A Man A Fish...

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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Cosmo wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Are you saying there are no conservative teachers?
    I love generalizations. Everyday workers train other workers...I worked as a journeyman plumber...I was trained by and worked with the same plumbers...
    I am going to go with a huge generalization about liberals here...seems to fit the mold of telling people how they feel...Liberals want everyone to go to school for free...but if you go to school, work hard and become successful you are an evil pig who should be stripped of all your wealth for the betterment of mankind...see how dumb generalizations are...
    ...
    Come on Mike... i know you are smarter than that. You are a smart guy that does not take every word literally. The generalization lies in that dumb bumpersticker. If the man you teach to fish is going to fish next to you... would you teach him? Generally speaking... I believe that most people would say, 'No'. But, would be willing to teach him how to fish... as long as the motherfucker casts his line on the other side of the lake.
    Education. Figuratively speaking... the mainstream conseverative tack is that money is wasted on public education and that private schooling is a better alternative. We have verifiable proof in the ongoing events in Wisconsin and the overall expressed opinions regarding that. The problem with that is that most americans cannot afford to pay for private schools. What happens to those kids?
    And yes, companies train workers every day... I understand that because I see it here where I work. I'm doing that because I am at the tail end of my career. But in my 30s... it would have been a completely different thing. But, you never addressed my question. Would you train a younger person how to do your job so he can replace you for lower pay, lower health care costs and no pension liability?

    No the generalization i was talking about was how all conservatives feel about education and how all of them are unwilling to ever train anyone ever to do a job. I come here every day and am told how conservatives feel about this and that and yet I am told by those same people that making generalizations is wrong...which is it...I just get sick of being told how conservatives don't care about other people...

    To specifically answer your question, yes, if I got paid to train that is what I would do. I don't understand why the stipulations you put on it must exist.
    The ongoing events in wisconsin do not speak about how conservatives feel that money spent on education is wasted...they are saying that the money spent on benefits of union workers who teach is too high. That has nothing to do with saying that conservatives are against education spending.
    half of the budget in minnesota is spent on education...yet our numbers fall ever year...should that not be investigated why is the amount spent every year expanding yet the effectiveness is declining...
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,374
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    That has nothing to do with saying that conservatives are against education spending.
    half of the budget in minnesota is spent on education...yet our numbers fall ever year...should that not be investigated why is the amount spent every year expanding yet the effectiveness is declining...
    That's a good point.
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  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    aerial wrote:
    Blockhead wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    my logic is quite sound thank you.

    do you realize you sound like a whiney rich kid who can't afford his tennis lessons when you complain about not being able to afford the things you "need" for your family? how about this for an idea. DROP SOME NEEDS!

    move to a more affordable area, use a public school, don't shop at trader joes, etc etc. we all pay taxes and we all feel the pain. sure i would like to wear the tommy bahama shirt or whatever, but i just choose to buy what i can afford. it is really easy. uncle sam is going to get his money one way or another.

    your party just happens to not have enough support for your positions. and they never will.

    i don't view it as stripping your kids of anything. if you are short of money, perhaps you can not afford that nice private education?? there is nothing wrong with that. i am the product of public institutions and i turned out ok and i make a comfortable living.
    How could I possibly sound like a whinery rich KID, when I have worked and earned everything that I own/buy? Its clear you have no idea how much kids cost... I like how you are talking down on me telling me what I should and should not buy, telling me to be responsible for my money, yet you give poor people a free pass on what they do with Tax payers money. Why don't you help me out? You call me selfish yet you have the same opinions I do, you reverted it to me. I love the hypocrisy...
    How is it not stripping my kids. THe money I make is taken from my kids and given to someone elses kids who don't work/pay taxes. That is literally taking food from my kids mouths.
    You view that as acceptable?

    Blockhead….most of the people on here that want us to give up our hard earned money do not have children. Yet they act as though they are experts on the subject. They do not realize once you have children and if you are a good parent your whole life changes. Here you are a man working HARD for what you earn and they want to call you selfish. Obviously, they do not care about your children. They do not understand that parents are ok with working those long ours as long the children are cared for. Good parents are selfless and that is how you sound to me. They do not understand Parents give everything they have for there children.
    This is a great idea! Maybe the government should Tax people that do not have children at a substantial higher rate. I mean they have the extra money that we parents do not have.

    You know it does already work like that, right? Kids get you a substantial tax credit. D'oh!
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Of course, I know that...If we need more, we can just raise single people’s taxes. I mean the single ones have more disposable income than parents do.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,374
    aerial wrote:
    Of course, I know that...If we need more, we can just raise single people’s taxes. I mean the single ones have more disposable income than parents do.
    Back off, man! ;)

    I'm already giving several thousand dollars to education each year ... which benefits me as much as funding planned parenthood!

    edit:

    Actually, funding planned parenthood would actually benefit me more because there would be better birth control, thus less money required to fund education, thus less taxes required for me to fund education!
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    aerial wrote:
    Of course, I know that...If we need more, we can just raise single people’s taxes. I mean the single ones have more disposable income than parents do.

    Sounds like nothing more than a reason why some people may try to get pregnant... another reason to suck off the govt.
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    inmytree wrote:
    aerial wrote:

    Blockhead….most of the people on here that want us to give up our hard earned money do not have children. Yet they act as though they are experts on the subject. They do not realize once you have children and if you are a good parent your whole life changes. Here you are a man working HARD for what you earn and they want to call you selfish. Obviously, they do not care about your children. They do not understand that parents are ok with working those long ours as long the children are cared for. Good parents are selfless and that is how you sound to me. They do not understand Parents give everything they have for there children.
    This is a great idea! Maybe the government should Tax people that do not have children at a substantial higher rate. I mean they have the extra money that we parents do not have.

    :lol::lol::lol:

    Yeah, I laughed at this too. Especially because I'm a parent, and am completely for taking care of others. And that includes those outside my immediate family.
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    It's kinda like when you have a group of guys out partying (I'm a student) and one or two guys for whatever reason can't afford beer that night. Everyone else pitches in a helps him out, buying a round or two, and everyone has a better night due to that guy being out!

    (And don't say he shouldn't be out partying, it's just a metaphor).
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,374
    keeponrockin wrote:
    It's kinda like when you have a group of guys out partying (I'm a student) and one or two guys for whatever reason can't afford beer that night. Everyone else pitches in a helps him out, buying a round or two, and everyone has a better night due to that guy being out!

    (And don't say he shouldn't be out partying, it's just a metaphor).
    What if a unkempt stranger comes up and asks for a glass out of the pitcher and you oblige .... and then the next time your out, the same stranger asks for another cup .... and then this develops into a sustained pattern. Worse yet, you finally refuse the stranger only to find out that the bartender has already started to automatically add the strangers beers to your tab without your consent. :geek:
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    aerial wrote:
    Blockhead….most of the people on here that want us to give up our hard earned money do not have children. Yet they act as though they are experts on the subject. They do not realize once you have children and if you are a good parent your whole life changes. Here you are a man working HARD for what you earn and they want to call you selfish. Obviously, they do not care about your children. They do not understand that parents are ok with working those long ours as long the children are cared for. Good parents are selfless and that is how you sound to me. They do not understand Parents give everything they have for there children.
    This is a great idea! Maybe the government should Tax people that do not have children at a substantial higher rate. I mean they have the extra money that we parents do not have.
    ...
    I get your logic... Why the hell should us singles pay for your kid's education, right? We didn't tell you to have kids if you can barely afford to raise them. We can't help it you got pregnant before you attained the wealth to send your kids to private schools and colleges. We didn't have a say in your inability to stay at home and raise your kids because you have to spend long hard hours at work, instead of spending time in their lives.
    So... yeah... i get your point. We shouldn't pay so your kids can get a public education. YOU should be paying for all of it, not us, right?
    ...
    BUT... since I choose to live in a society... I have no problem paying taxes for public schools to help you out.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Jason P wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    It's kinda like when you have a group of guys out partying (I'm a student) and one or two guys for whatever reason can't afford beer that night. Everyone else pitches in a helps him out, buying a round or two, and everyone has a better night due to that guy being out!

    (And don't say he shouldn't be out partying, it's just a metaphor).
    What if a unkempt stranger comes up and asks for a glass out of the pitcher and you oblige .... and then the next time your out, the same stranger asks for another cup .... and then this develops into a sustained pattern. Worse yet, you finally refuse the stranger only to find out that the bartender has already started to automatically add the strangers beers to your tab without your consent. :geek:
    ...
    It goes back to my point... that the stranger has to have the character to help himself. A hand up, when he is down... a temporary crutch, not a life support system.
    I believe it is a two way street.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,750
    It's so easy to get caught up in the bumper sticker wars these days-- us against them. (Not that this is all that new- I saw a bumper sticker many years ago that read, "Don't pull out a dick in the middle of a screw, vote for Nixon in '72" But at least that was funny).

    My take on all this is just follow the simple words of Ilona Ann Coggswater: "Be kind."
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    'Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.'
    John Stuart Mill
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,104
    Blockhead could have an extra 20 or 40 bucks a year if he let his membership lapse. Just a thought about needs vs wants
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,104
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Are you saying there are no conservative teachers?
    I love generalizations. Everyday workers train other workers...I worked as a journeyman plumber...I was trained by and worked with the same plumbers...
    I am going to go with a huge generalization about liberals here...seems to fit the mold of telling people how they feel...Liberals want everyone to go to school for free...but if you go to school, work hard and become successful you are an evil pig who should be stripped of all your wealth for the betterment of mankind...see how dumb generalizations are...
    ...
    Come on Mike... i know you are smarter than that. You are a smart guy that does not take every word literally. The generalization lies in that dumb bumpersticker. If the man you teach to fish is going to fish next to you... would you teach him? Generally speaking... I believe that most people would say, 'No'. But, would be willing to teach him how to fish... as long as the motherfucker casts his line on the other side of the lake.
    Education. Figuratively speaking... the mainstream conseverative tack is that money is wasted on public education and that private schooling is a better alternative. We have verifiable proof in the ongoing events in Wisconsin and the overall expressed opinions regarding that. The problem with that is that most americans cannot afford to pay for private schools. What happens to those kids?
    And yes, companies train workers every day... I understand that because I see it here where I work. I'm doing that because I am at the tail end of my career. But in my 30s... it would have been a completely different thing. But, you never addressed my question. Would you train a younger person how to do your job so he can replace you for lower pay, lower health care costs and no pension liability?

    No the generalization i was talking about was how all conservatives feel about education and how all of them are unwilling to ever train anyone ever to do a job. I come here every day and am told how conservatives feel about this and that and yet I am told by those same people that making generalizations is wrong...which is it...I just get sick of being told how conservatives don't care about other people...

    To specifically answer your question, yes, if I got paid to train that is what I would do. I don't understand why the stipulations you put on it must exist.
    The ongoing events in wisconsin do not speak about how conservatives feel that money spent on education is wasted...they are saying that the money spent on benefits of union workers who teach is too high. That has nothing to do with saying that conservatives are against education spending.
    half of the budget in minnesota is spent on education...yet our numbers fall ever year...should that not be investigated why is the amount spent every year expanding yet the effectiveness is declining...
    Too much is spent on admin "costs" and not enough IN the classroom.
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I love this saying, but it's very incorrectly used. It's naive to generalize such broad based ideologies on two groups of people who really don't follow their own causes. If we actually were a nation that practiced its own preaching, we'd live in a very different society and world. People love to blame one side or another... our collective efforts are proof positive of what a terrible path we've set and been following. A more applicable motto for our nation would be: profit off selling a fish and ignore the repercussions.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Byrnzie wrote:
    'Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.'
    John Stuart Mill


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  • CH156378
    CH156378 Posts: 1,539
    Democrats eat the fish they catch. Republicans hang them on the wall.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,374
    CH156378 wrote:
    Democrats eat the fish they catch. Republicans hang them on the wall.
    Democrats would be to concerned about angering PETA to go fishing. The last thing they want is to get the stink eye from Bob Barker. 8-)
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Jason P wrote:
    CH156378 wrote:
    Democrats eat the fish they catch. Republicans hang them on the wall.
    Democrats would be to concerned about angering PETA to go fishing. The last thing they want is to get the stink eye from Bob Barker. 8-)

    Have your pets spayed or neutered... :mrgreen:

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