Give A Man A Fish...

gimmesometruth27

yeah if we all know how to fish, how are 6 billion of us and all of our offspring for generations gonna have enough food for our lifetime and theirs? like our natural resources, the supply of fish is finite. if our population continues to grow at it's current rate, that food supply is going to run out.

by the way, i figured out how to fish for ME and MY family, so fuck everybody else.....

Cosmo

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

yeah if we all know how to fish, how are 6 billion of us and all of our offspring for generations gonna have enough food for our lifetime and theirs? like our natural resources, the supply of fish is finite. if our population continues to grow at it's current rate, that food supply is going to run out.

by the way, i figured out how to fish for ME and MY family, so fuck everybody else.....

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Agreed... based upon what has been expressed here.
That was the premise of my posts... that the people referred to in the bumber sticker:
'Give A Man A Fish, He Eats for A Day.
Teach A Man to Fish, He Eats For A Lifetime.'
Is NOT the person behind the wheel of the vehicle the bumper is attached to.
It Should read:
'Someboby Gives A Man A Fish, He Eats for A Day.
If Somebody Else Teaches A Man to Fish On His Time, Not Mine... He Eats For A Lifetime.'
...
As for the Conservative slant... the Conservatives don't want to be the ones tasked to do the teaching or the ones having to pay for the schooling. They want someone else to teach the guy... they just don't want to have to pay for it.

gimmesometruth27

Cosmo wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

yeah if we all know how to fish, how are 6 billion of us and all of our offspring for generations gonna have enough food for our lifetime and theirs? like our natural resources, the supply of fish is finite. if our population continues to grow at it's current rate, that food supply is going to run out.

by the way, i figured out how to fish for ME and MY family, so fuck everybody else.....

...
Agreed... based upon what has been expressed here.
That was the premise of my posts... that the people referred to in the bumber sticker:
'Give A Man A Fish, He Eats for A Day.
Teach A Man to Fish, He Eats For A Lifetime.'
Is NOT the person behind the wheel of the vehicle the bumper is attached to.
It Should read:
'Someboby Gives A Man A Fish, He Eats for A Day.
If Somebody Else Teaches A Man to Fish On His Time, Not Mine... He Eats For A Lifetime.'
...
As for the Conservative slant... the Conservatives don't want to be the ones tasked to do the teaching or the ones having to pay for the schooling. They want someone else to teach the guy... they just don't want to have to pay for it.

yeah then we have all of the needy, unskilled, uneducated, poor people stealing all of my fish and those fish of my rich friends. fucking leaches, find your own fish!!

ShimmyMommy

A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle.

It's the fear that we will lose by giving that stops us from doing it. A shame, really.

mikepegg44

Cosmo wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

yeah if we all know how to fish, how are 6 billion of us and all of our offspring for generations gonna have enough food for our lifetime and theirs? like our natural resources, the supply of fish is finite. if our population continues to grow at it's current rate, that food supply is going to run out.

by the way, i figured out how to fish for ME and MY family, so fuck everybody else.....

...
Agreed... based upon what has been expressed here.
That was the premise of my posts... that the people referred to in the bumber sticker:
'Give A Man A Fish, He Eats for A Day.
Teach A Man to Fish, He Eats For A Lifetime.'
Is NOT the person behind the wheel of the vehicle the bumper is attached to.
It Should read:
'Someboby Gives A Man A Fish, He Eats for A Day.
If Somebody Else Teaches A Man to Fish On His Time, Not Mine... He Eats For A Lifetime.'
...
As for the Conservative slant... the Conservatives don't want to be the ones tasked to do the teaching or the ones having to pay for the schooling. They want someone else to teach the guy... they just don't want to have to pay for it.

Are you saying there are no conservative teachers?
I love generalizations. Everyday workers train other workers...I worked as a journeyman plumber...I was trained by and worked with the same plumbers...
I am going to go with a huge generalization about liberals here...seems to fit the mold of telling people how they feel...Liberals want everyone to go to school for free...but if you go to school, work hard and become successful you are an evil pig who should be stripped of all your wealth for the betterment of mankind...see how dumb generalizations are...

gimmesometruth27

mikepegg44 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

yeah if we all know how to fish, how are 6 billion of us and all of our offspring for generations gonna have enough food for our lifetime and theirs? like our natural resources, the supply of fish is finite. if our population continues to grow at it's current rate, that food supply is going to run out.

by the way, i figured out how to fish for ME and MY family, so fuck everybody else.....

...
Agreed... based upon what has been expressed here.
That was the premise of my posts... that the people referred to in the bumber sticker:
'Give A Man A Fish, He Eats for A Day.
Teach A Man to Fish, He Eats For A Lifetime.'
Is NOT the person behind the wheel of the vehicle the bumper is attached to.
It Should read:
'Someboby Gives A Man A Fish, He Eats for A Day.
If Somebody Else Teaches A Man to Fish On His Time, Not Mine... He Eats For A Lifetime.'
...
As for the Conservative slant... the Conservatives don't want to be the ones tasked to do the teaching or the ones having to pay for the schooling. They want someone else to teach the guy... they just don't want to have to pay for it.

Are you saying there are no conservative teachers?
I love generalizations. Everyday workers train other workers...I worked as a journeyman plumber...I was trained by and worked with the same plumbers...
I am going to go with a huge generalization about liberals here...seems to fit the mold of telling people how they feel...Liberals want everyone to go to school for free...but if you go to school, work hard and become successful you are an evil pig who should be stripped of all your wealth for the betterment of mankind...see how dumb generalizations are...

that depends on if you view taxation as stealing or stripping you of your wealth. if you do then that is your issue, and not the issue of the majority of people in our society.

Godfather.

My fishing pole was stollen and my mood ring is broke...I'm not sure how I feel about it.
a simple bumper sticker... :shock: give a man a gun and he can eat teach a man to hunt ..and we will kill him for animal's rights..

Godfather.

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

Are you saying there are no conservative teachers?
I love generalizations. Everyday workers train other workers...I worked as a journeyman plumber...I was trained by and worked with the same plumbers...
I am going to go with a huge generalization about liberals here...seems to fit the mold of telling people how they feel...Liberals want everyone to go to school for free...but if you go to school, work hard and become successful you are an evil pig who should be stripped of all your wealth for the betterment of mankind...see how dumb generalizations are...

that depends on if you view taxation as stealing or stripping you of your wealth. if you do then that is your issue, and not the issue of the majority of people in our society.

It is stealing / stripping of wealth when YOU pay taxes that go into programs that only benefit a certin group of people who DON'T pay taxes. You are basically taking someone eles money and giving it to someone who did not work for it. Do you not understand that?

gimmesometruth27

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

Are you saying there are no conservative teachers?
I love generalizations. Everyday workers train other workers...I worked as a journeyman plumber...I was trained by and worked with the same plumbers...
I am going to go with a huge generalization about liberals here...seems to fit the mold of telling people how they feel...Liberals want everyone to go to school for free...but if you go to school, work hard and become successful you are an evil pig who should be stripped of all your wealth for the betterment of mankind...see how dumb generalizations are...

that depends on if you view taxation as stealing or stripping you of your wealth. if you do then that is your issue, and not the issue of the majority of people in our society.

It is stealing / stripping of wealth when YOU pay taxes that go into programs that only benefit a certin group of people who DON'T pay taxes. You are basically taking someone eles money and giving it to someone who did not work for it. Do you not understand that?

i understand your selfish point of view, as does everybody else on here.... you have repeated it ad nauseum. i am not changing your mind and you are not changing mine. do you understand that??

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

that depends on if you view taxation as stealing or stripping you of your wealth. if you do then that is your issue, and not the issue of the majority of people in our society.

It is stealing / stripping of wealth when YOU pay taxes that go into programs that only benefit a certin group of people who DON'T pay taxes. You are basically taking someone eles money and giving it to someone who did not work for it. Do you not understand that?

i understand your selfish point of view, as does everybody else on here.... you have repeated it ad nauseum. i am not changing your mind and you are not changing mine. do you understand that??

I am not here to change your mind... I am just showing you how stupid your logic is.
Please try and explain how taxation is not leagalized theft?
And you keep calling me selfish... Why because I work 50 - 60 hours a week to provide my CHILDREN basic needs... and I still have a hard time doing that with over 600 taken out of my paycheck every two weeks. thats $1200 a month. Do you think thats fair to my kids. I plan on sending them to a private school, what if I can't because of the ammount of money TAKEN out of my pay check. How is it fair to strip my children of that kind of education/future because I am a few hundred short a month of tuition? You would probably feel like me to if you know what its like to support a family. You just as selfish for not caring for my familys needs...

mikepegg44

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Are you saying there are no conservative teachers?
I love generalizations. Everyday workers train other workers...I worked as a journeyman plumber...I was trained by and worked with the same plumbers...
I am going to go with a huge generalization about liberals here...seems to fit the mold of telling people how they feel...Liberals want everyone to go to school for free...but if you go to school, work hard and become successful you are an evil pig who should be stripped of all your wealth for the betterment of mankind...see how dumb generalizations are...

that depends on if you view taxation as stealing or stripping you of your wealth. if you do then that is your issue, and not the issue of the majority of people in our society.

I don't view taxation as stealing...i understand the need for it...I can even settle on a progressive system as long as it isn't too punitive...but that is the problem I see with it...people always wanting to grab MORE money for the government to do MORE things...I have a larger problem with how it is spent...I also have a huge problem with how the government devalues the dollar in my pocket to spend what they don't have.
I think the government should be in the business of helping people learn to fish...not giving them the fish...in the long run I believe those people will benefit from that type of switch in focus. But don't get me wrong, I don't want people to starve...I look at it this way as you are learning to fish you can have a meal to know what it tastes like...but after you have learned how to fish you are on your own to make your way in life and hopefully you do...and the fish tastes SO MUCH BETTER when you caught it yourself...

Go Beavers

I am not here to change your mind... I am just showing you how stupid your logic is.
Please try and explain how taxation is not leagalized theft?
And you keep calling me selfish... Why because I work 50 - 60 hours a week to provide my CHILDREN basic needs... and I still have a hard time doing that with over 600 taken out of my paycheck every two weeks. thats $1200 a month. Do you think thats fair to my kids. I plan on sending them to a private school, what if I can't because of the ammount of money TAKEN out of my pay check. How is it fair to strip my children of that kind of education/future because I am a few hundred short a month of tuition? You would probably feel like me to if you know what its like to support a family. You just as selfish for not caring for my familys needs...

What might a conservative say...."Looks like you need to work harder/find a new job and stop acting like your kids are entitled to their elitist private education"......

I do hear conservatives complain about entitled people, but I see the ones who complain about taxes fitting the definition of entitlement more than anyone else.

Blockhead

Go Beavers wrote:

I am not here to change your mind... I am just showing you how stupid your logic is.
Please try and explain how taxation is not leagalized theft?
And you keep calling me selfish... Why because I work 50 - 60 hours a week to provide my CHILDREN basic needs... and I still have a hard time doing that with over 600 taken out of my paycheck every two weeks. thats $1200 a month. Do you think thats fair to my kids. I plan on sending them to a private school, what if I can't because of the ammount of money TAKEN out of my pay check. How is it fair to strip my children of that kind of education/future because I am a few hundred short a month of tuition? You would probably feel like me to if you know what its like to support a family. You just as selfish for not caring for my familys needs...

What might a conservative say...."Looks like you need to work harder/find a new job and stop acting like your kids are entitled to their elitist private education"......

I do hear conservatives complain about entitled people, but I see the ones who complain about taxes fitting the definition of entitlement more than anyone else.

well that went over your head...
Why is private education "elitist"?
Where did I say I was entitled to such education?

mikepegg44

Go Beavers wrote:

I am not here to change your mind... I am just showing you how stupid your logic is.
Please try and explain how taxation is not leagalized theft?
And you keep calling me selfish... Why because I work 50 - 60 hours a week to provide my CHILDREN basic needs... and I still have a hard time doing that with over 600 taken out of my paycheck every two weeks. thats $1200 a month. Do you think thats fair to my kids. I plan on sending them to a private school, what if I can't because of the ammount of money TAKEN out of my pay check. How is it fair to strip my children of that kind of education/future because I am a few hundred short a month of tuition? You would probably feel like me to if you know what its like to support a family. You just as selfish for not caring for my familys needs...

What might a conservative say...."Looks like you need to work harder/find a new job and stop acting like your kids are entitled to their elitist private education"......

I do hear conservatives complain about entitled people, but I see the ones who complain about taxes fitting the definition of entitlement more than anyone else.

but who is more "entitled" to the money...the person who earned it or the person who didn't?

that would be the comeback I would give...I understand your point however.

Jason P

mikepegg44 wrote:

I don't view taxation as stealing...i understand the need for it...I can even settle on a progressive system as long as it isn't too punitive...but that is the problem I see with it...people always wanting to grab MORE money for the government to do MORE things...I have a larger problem with how it is spent...I also have a huge problem with how the government devalues the dollar in my pocket to spend what they don't have.
I think the government should be in the business of helping people learn to fish...not giving them the fish...in the long run I believe those people will benefit from that type of switch in focus. But don't get me wrong, I don't want people to starve...I look at it this way as you are learning to fish you can have a meal to know what it tastes like...but after you have learned how to fish you are on your own to make your way in life and hopefully you do...and the fish tastes SO MUCH BETTER when you caught it yourself...

Well said.

gimmesometruth27

Blockhead wrote:

I am not here to change your mind... I am just showing you how stupid your logic is.
Please try and explain how taxation is not leagalized theft?
And you keep calling me selfish... Why because I work 50 - 60 hours a week to provide my CHILDREN basic needs... and I still have a hard time doing that with over 600 taken out of my paycheck every two weeks. thats $1200 a month. Do you think thats fair to my kids. I plan on sending them to a private school, what if I can't because of the ammount of money TAKEN out of my pay check. How is it fair to strip my children of that kind of education/future because I am a few hundred short a month of tuition? You would probably feel like me to if you know what its like to support a family. You just as selfish for not caring for my familys needs...

my logic is stupid? some might say your incessant complaining and foot stomping over taxes and your disdain for people that you feel are below you is stupid....how about you put your money where your mouth is and just not pay taxes? see how far you get by doing that. how about call your congressman and lodge a complaint there. run for office and change things yourself. i could give you the conservative line that "you need to pull yourself up by the bootstraps and just make more money or find a second job"... seriously, you are bitching about something that is never ever going to change. you can either get over it or give yourself a coronary griping and whining about it.

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

I am not here to change your mind... I am just showing you how stupid your logic is.
Please try and explain how taxation is not leagalized theft?
And you keep calling me selfish... Why because I work 50 - 60 hours a week to provide my CHILDREN basic needs... and I still have a hard time doing that with over 600 taken out of my paycheck every two weeks. thats $1200 a month. Do you think thats fair to my kids. I plan on sending them to a private school, what if I can't because of the ammount of money TAKEN out of my pay check. How is it fair to strip my children of that kind of education/future because I am a few hundred short a month of tuition? You would probably feel like me to if you know what its like to support a family. You just as selfish for not caring for my familys needs...

my logic is stupid? some might say your incessant complaining and foot stomping over taxes and your disdain for people that you feel are below you is stupid....how about you put your money where your mouth is and just not pay taxes? see how far you get by doing that. how about call your congressman and lodge a complaint there. run for office and change things yourself. i could give you the conservative line that "you need to pull yourself up by the bootstraps and just make more money or find a second job"... seriously, you are bitching about something that is never ever going to change. you can either get over it or give yourself a coronary griping and whining about it.

I call it what it is... Its theft.......................................
And yes your logic is stupid.
Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and help my family out, I can barely make ends meet and put food on the table but I make over what would allow me to qualify for food stamps and gov. housing, and welfare, assistance. Put your money where your mouth is and help me out, I work 60 hours some weeks, I have not time to get another job. ANd If i do take that other job, who's going to take my kids to school, whos going to watch them while I am at work? I can't afford all those daycare hours...

usamamasan1

i like blockhead. he works for a living.

Go Beavers

mikepegg44 wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

I am not here to change your mind... I am just showing you how stupid your logic is.
Please try and explain how taxation is not leagalized theft?
And you keep calling me selfish... Why because I work 50 - 60 hours a week to provide my CHILDREN basic needs... and I still have a hard time doing that with over 600 taken out of my paycheck every two weeks. thats $1200 a month. Do you think thats fair to my kids. I plan on sending them to a private school, what if I can't because of the ammount of money TAKEN out of my pay check. How is it fair to strip my children of that kind of education/future because I am a few hundred short a month of tuition? You would probably feel like me to if you know what its like to support a family. You just as selfish for not caring for my familys needs...

What might a conservative say...."Looks like you need to work harder/find a new job and stop acting like your kids are entitled to their elitist private education"......

I do hear conservatives complain about entitled people, but I see the ones who complain about taxes fitting the definition of entitlement more than anyone else.

but who is more "entitled" to the money...the person who earned it or the person who didn't?

that would be the comeback I would give...I understand your point however.

As far as taxes go, I see it as we're all in this together. Yes, I disagree and have issue with the way certain tax dollars are spent, but I can't go about my day at work and feel like taxes being withheld from my paycheck equates to theft. I am much more happy to see my taxes go to someone's food or medical care than the military, but I understand that I have to make that compromise.

Go Beavers

usamamasan1 wrote:

i like blockhead. he works for a living.

Sounds like he needs to work on his budget, though.