Give A Man A Fish...

usamamasan1

“A fisherman always sees another fisherman from afar.”

Blockhead

Go Beavers wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

i like blockhead. he works for a living.

Sounds like he needs to work on his budget, though.

haha, I do?... but poor people don't?
So personal responsibility only applies to who?

Go Beavers

Blockhead wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

I am not here to change your mind... I am just showing you how stupid your logic is.
Please try and explain how taxation is not leagalized theft?
And you keep calling me selfish... Why because I work 50 - 60 hours a week to provide my CHILDREN basic needs... and I still have a hard time doing that with over 600 taken out of my paycheck every two weeks. thats $1200 a month. Do you think thats fair to my kids. I plan on sending them to a private school, what if I can't because of the ammount of money TAKEN out of my pay check. How is it fair to strip my children of that kind of education/future because I am a few hundred short a month of tuition? You would probably feel like me to if you know what its like to support a family. You just as selfish for not caring for my familys needs...

What might a conservative say...."Looks like you need to work harder/find a new job and stop acting like your kids are entitled to their elitist private education"......

I do hear conservatives complain about entitled people, but I see the ones who complain about taxes fitting the definition of entitlement more than anyone else.

well that went over your head...
Why is private education "elitist"?
Where did I say I was entitled to such education?

None of it went over my head. The "elitist" was tongue-in-cheek referencing conservatives make to educated opposition. You didn't say you were entitled, you're acting entitled because you feel like you/your family deserve things that are optional.

Go Beavers

Blockhead wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

i like blockhead. he works for a living.

Sounds like he needs to work on his budget, though.

haha, I do?... but poor people don't?
So personal responsibility only applies to who?

Nice try. How many poor people complain that they can't send their kids to private school?

Jason P

Go Beavers wrote:

As far as taxes go, I see it as we're all in this together. Yes, I disagree and have issue with the way certain tax dollars are spent, but I can't go about my day at work and feel like taxes being withheld from my paycheck equates to theft. I am much more happy to see my taxes go to someone's food or medical care than the military, but I understand that I have to make that compromise.

But with money wasted on wars and ineffective and poorly managed programs, you should view that portion as theft ... for the government to ask for more money is a slap to the face ... especially when they have clearly demonstrated with the last budget approval that they cannot cut back on spending (money spent equals votes and campaign donations .... thus every program will be fought for by somebody).

Blockhead

Go Beavers wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

haha, I do?... but poor people don't?
So personal responsibility only applies to who?

Nice try. How many poor people complain that they can't send their kids to private school?

I am not sure what they complain about... Do you?
I know they don't view education as being important, so they probably do not complain about education.

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

haha, I do?... but poor people don't?
So personal responsibility only applies to who?

Nice try. How many poor people complain that they can't send their kids to private school?

I am not sure what they complain about... Do you?
I know they don't view education as being important, so they probably do not complain about education.

haha, really? You seem to know a lot about how all poor people think. Its comments like this that make me stay out these discussion with people like you.

gimmesometruth27

Blockhead wrote:

I am not here to change your mind... I am just showing you how stupid your logic is.
Please try and explain how taxation is not leagalized theft?
And you keep calling me selfish... Why because I work 50 - 60 hours a week to provide my CHILDREN basic needs... and I still have a hard time doing that with over 600 taken out of my paycheck every two weeks. thats $1200 a month. Do you think thats fair to my kids. I plan on sending them to a private school, what if I can't because of the ammount of money TAKEN out of my pay check. How is it fair to strip my children of that kind of education/future because I am a few hundred short a month of tuition? You would probably feel like me to if you know what its like to support a family. You just as selfish for not caring for my familys needs...

my logic is quite sound thank you.

do you realize you sound like a whiney rich kid who can't afford his tennis lessons when you complain about not being able to afford the things you "need" for your family? how about this for an idea. DROP SOME NEEDS!

move to a more affordable area, use a public school, don't shop at trader joes, etc etc. we all pay taxes and we all feel the pain. sure i would like to wear the tommy bahama shirt or whatever, but i just choose to buy what i can afford. it is really easy. uncle sam is going to get his money one way or another.

your party just happens to not have enough support for your positions. and they never will.

i don't view it as stripping your kids of anything. if you are short of money, perhaps you can not afford that nice private education?? there is nothing wrong with that. i am the product of public institutions and i turned out ok and i make a comfortable living.

Blockhead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Nice try. How many poor people complain that they can't send their kids to private school?

I am not sure what they complain about... Do you?
I know they don't view education as being important, so they probably do not complain about education.

haha, really? You seem to know a lot about how all poor people think. Its comments like this that make me stay out these discussion with people like you.

Considering my wife teaches all poor people, I think she would have a pretty good idea. Maybe you should look up some educational stats from innercity areas before you start crying...

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

my logic is quite sound thank you.

do you realize you sound like a whiney rich kid who can't afford his tennis lessons when you complain about not being able to afford the things you "need" for your family? how about this for an idea. DROP SOME NEEDS!

move to a more affordable area, use a public school, don't shop at trader joes, etc etc. we all pay taxes and we all feel the pain. sure i would like to wear the tommy bahama shirt or whatever, but i just choose to buy what i can afford. it is really easy. uncle sam is going to get his money one way or another.

your party just happens to not have enough support for your positions. and they never will.

i don't view it as stripping your kids of anything. if you are short of money, perhaps you can not afford that nice private education?? there is nothing wrong with that. i am the product of public institutions and i turned out ok and i make a comfortable living.

How could I possibly sound like a whinery rich KID, when I have worked and earned everything that I own/buy? Its clear you have no idea how much kids cost... I like how you are talking down on me telling me what I should and should not buy, telling me to be responsible for my money, yet you give poor people a free pass on what they do with Tax payers money. Why don't you help me out? You call me selfish yet you have the same opinions I do, you reverted it to me. I love the hypocrisy...
How is it not stripping my kids. THe money I make is taken from my kids and given to someone elses kids who don't work/pay taxes. That is literally taking food from my kids mouths.
You view that as acceptable?

Go Beavers

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

my logic is quite sound thank you.

do you realize you sound like a whiney rich kid who can't afford his tennis lessons when you complain about not being able to afford the things you "need" for your family? how about this for an idea. DROP SOME NEEDS!

move to a more affordable area, use a public school, don't shop at trader joes, etc etc. we all pay taxes and we all feel the pain. sure i would like to wear the tommy bahama shirt or whatever, but i just choose to buy what i can afford. it is really easy. uncle sam is going to get his money one way or another.

your party just happens to not have enough support for your positions. and they never will.

i don't view it as stripping your kids of anything. if you are short of money, perhaps you can not afford that nice private education?? there is nothing wrong with that. i am the product of public institutions and i turned out ok and i make a comfortable living.

How could I possibly sound like a whinery rich KID, when I have worked and earned everything that I own/buy? Its clear you have no idea how much kids cost... I like how you are talking down on me telling me what I should and should not buy, telling me to be responsible for my money, yet you give poor people a free pass on what they do with Tax payers money. Why don't you help me out? You call me selfish yet you have the same opinions I do, you reverted it to me. I love the hypocrisy...
How is it not stripping my kids. THe money I make is taken from my kids and given to someone elses kids who don't work/pay taxes. That is literally taking food from my kids mouths.
You view that as acceptable?

If your kids are going hungry maybe you should get on food stamps.

Go Beavers

Jason P wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

As far as taxes go, I see it as we're all in this together. Yes, I disagree and have issue with the way certain tax dollars are spent, but I can't go about my day at work and feel like taxes being withheld from my paycheck equates to theft. I am much more happy to see my taxes go to someone's food or medical care than the military, but I understand that I have to make that compromise.

But with money wasted on wars and ineffective and poorly managed programs, you should view that portion as theft ... for the government to ask for more money is a slap to the face ... especially when they have clearly demonstrated with the last budget approval that they cannot cut back on spending (money spent equals votes and campaign donations .... thus every program will be fought for by somebody).

I view it as a moral issue with the responsibility spread amongst all of us. To call it theft personalizes it to myself alone. We're all responsible because we vote the representatives in who don't balance out the budget. They don't do this for various reasons, one being that people don't want their program cut (like you pointed out). Cut my taxes but don't touch my Medicare, schools, police, and fire dept. Fix the roads and bridges, invade countries I don't like, protect the border, etc... Our culture avoids discomfort, and we're all responsible for that to some degree.

I think most of us have been paying less in taxes the last couple years (except maybe for some on a local level). Compared to other modernized countries, our tax rate is relatively low.

Go Beavers

Blockhead wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

haha, I do?... but poor people don't?
So personal responsibility only applies to who?

Nice try. How many poor people complain that they can't send their kids to private school?

I am not sure what they complain about... Do you?
I know they don't view education as being important, so they probably do not complain about education.

Yes, I do know what some complain about.

Your second sentence is pretty sad and pathetic. We've gone around on that one in another thread.

gimmesometruth27

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

my logic is quite sound thank you.

do you realize you sound like a whiney rich kid who can't afford his tennis lessons when you complain about not being able to afford the things you "need" for your family? how about this for an idea. DROP SOME NEEDS!

move to a more affordable area, use a public school, don't shop at trader joes, etc etc. we all pay taxes and we all feel the pain. sure i would like to wear the tommy bahama shirt or whatever, but i just choose to buy what i can afford. it is really easy. uncle sam is going to get his money one way or another.

your party just happens to not have enough support for your positions. and they never will.

i don't view it as stripping your kids of anything. if you are short of money, perhaps you can not afford that nice private education?? there is nothing wrong with that. i am the product of public institutions and i turned out ok and i make a comfortable living.

How could I possibly sound like a whinery rich KID, when I have worked and earned everything that I own/buy? Its clear you have no idea how much kids cost... I like how you are talking down on me telling me what I should and should not buy, telling me to be responsible for my money, yet you give poor people a free pass on what they do with Tax payers money. Why don't you help me out? You call me selfish yet you have the same opinions I do, you reverted it to me. I love the hypocrisy...
How is it not stripping my kids. THe money I make is taken from my kids and given to someone elses kids who don't work/pay taxes. That is literally taking food from my kids mouths.
You view that as acceptable?

evidently you are doing something wrong.

is a private education absolutely necessary?

the whiney rich kid was an example. it is just a funny picture to me that you have dual incomes and say how you are personally responsible with your money and whatnot, and doing all of the things that your party platform says you are supposed to do yet you are having money troubles. why not put yourself in the shoes of the people who can't buy food AND pay rent, 2 absolute necessities. a private education is an elective thing, an option, rather than a necessity.

i am a lot of things, but i am no hypocrite. i have been nothing but consistent in my positions regarding the rich and the poor, taxes, and education. you view it as stealing and being a slave. i look at it as being a conscientious and functional member of a society. you should be thankful you have a job and 2 incomes. many families can not say that. you should count your blessings instead of complain about what you are required to do by law.

Cosmo

mikepegg44 wrote:

Are you saying there are no conservative teachers?
I love generalizations. Everyday workers train other workers...I worked as a journeyman plumber...I was trained by and worked with the same plumbers...
I am going to go with a huge generalization about liberals here...seems to fit the mold of telling people how they feel...Liberals want everyone to go to school for free...but if you go to school, work hard and become successful you are an evil pig who should be stripped of all your wealth for the betterment of mankind...see how dumb generalizations are...

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Come on Mike... i know you are smarter than that. You are a smart guy that does not take every word literally. The generalization lies in that dumb bumpersticker. If the man you teach to fish is going to fish next to you... would you teach him? Generally speaking... I believe that most people would say, 'No'. But, would be willing to teach him how to fish... as long as the motherfucker casts his line on the other side of the lake.
Education. Figuratively speaking... the mainstream conseverative tack is that money is wasted on public education and that private schooling is a better alternative. We have verifiable proof in the ongoing events in Wisconsin and the overall expressed opinions regarding that. The problem with that is that most americans cannot afford to pay for private schools. What happens to those kids?
And yes, companies train workers every day... I understand that because I see it here where I work. I'm doing that because I am at the tail end of my career. But in my 30s... it would have been a completely different thing. But, you never addressed my question. Would you train a younger person how to do your job so he can replace you for lower pay, lower health care costs and no pension liability?

Parachute

GIMME said: "i understand your selfish point of view, as does everybody else on here.... you have repeated it ad nauseum. i am not changing your mind and you are not changing mine. do you understand that??[/quote]



Not everyone on here thinks his idea is selfish. Some people understand the phrase "pursuit of happiness."

Reading the Constitution would do you some good Gimme.

You speak like a a card carrying Liberal drone, and always the first to make personal attacks while making the person feel like its you and everyone on the board vs them. Believe it or not, not everyone on this board shares their brain w/ Ed.

This is not a prsonal attack. Drone is a term of endearment.

and I fucked up the quote button again.....

he still stands

this is spot on; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg-X8HWAB1M

@ 1:34 specifically, but just watch the whole thing...

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

I am not sure what they complain about... Do you?
I know they don't view education as being important, so they probably do not complain about education.

haha, really? You seem to know a lot about how all poor people think. Its comments like this that make me stay out these discussion with people like you.

Considering my wife teaches all poor people, I think she would have a pretty good idea. Maybe you should look up some educational stats from innercity areas before you start crying...

No thanks. I don't need stats to tell me that I don't know what poor people are thinking about education. I dont claim to know everything about poor people through a narrow single experience. And btw, there are plenty of poor people outside of inner city areas, and a substantial amount of more poor people outside of the school where YOUR wife teaches. But if we're using personal experience as the standard basis for ALL poor people, I know a guy who grew up with nothing and is a now doctor.. he valued education I suppose...But its OK, we all know you base your opinion on that narrow example of all the poor people could care less about school, and would rather go home and play 17 playstaions on their 97 inch 3D televisions and snort coke and drink scotch before they go pick up their food stamps... just like it is in the area where your wife teaches.

markin ball

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

my logic is quite sound thank you.

do you realize you sound like a whiney rich kid who can't afford his tennis lessons when you complain about not being able to afford the things you "need" for your family? how about this for an idea. DROP SOME NEEDS!

move to a more affordable area, use a public school, don't shop at trader joes, etc etc. we all pay taxes and we all feel the pain. sure i would like to wear the tommy bahama shirt or whatever, but i just choose to buy what i can afford. it is really easy. uncle sam is going to get his money one way or another.

your party just happens to not have enough support for your positions. and they never will.

i don't view it as stripping your kids of anything. if you are short of money, perhaps you can not afford that nice private education?? there is nothing wrong with that. i am the product of public institutions and i turned out ok and i make a comfortable living.

How could I possibly sound like a whinery rich KID, when I have worked and earned everything that I own/buy? Its clear you have no idea how much kids cost... I like how you are talking down on me telling me what I should and should not buy, telling me to be responsible for my money, yet you give poor people a free pass on what they do with Tax payers money. Why don't you help me out? You call me selfish yet you have the same opinions I do, you reverted it to me. I love the hypocrisy...
How is it not stripping my kids. THe money I make is taken from my kids and given to someone elses kids who don't work/pay taxes. That is literally taking food from my kids mouths.
You view that as acceptable?

You are right. It isn't fair when your tax dollars go to those that are just plain lazy bums. I really don't think Go Beavers or Gimmie really wants that to happen. Unfortunately, it does, as there will be abusers of any system and no system will run 100% efficiently. All we can do is work to minimize those abuses/inefficiencies and for each and every one of us to live as responsibly as we can.

That being said I would invite you to examine your perspective, however. No man is an island. We all live in a society together and everything is interwoven. Any money that you earn would not have been possible without taxpayer investments in things like roads, infrastructure, technology and unfortunately, wars. Some of these things you may not agree with but you have almost certainly benefited from them.

whygohome

I don't eat seafood. I guess I'm fucked.