Give A Man A Fish...

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

We can thank our (socialized) public schooling for that...

hahaha ... america and socialized is like saying alaska and tropical ...

good... I would hate to have to wait 10 weeks to get something as simple as a MRI. (median wait time in canada)

Parachute

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

markin ball wrote:

I'd give the guy some of my fish and teach him, too. We're all in this together.

^ Damn straight.

A lot of good points in here... I like this one especially.

I'd be happy to share my fish while the person learns to fish for himself, as long as they are learning...
At some point, people have to become responsible for themselves.

Blockhead

Parachute wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

markin ball wrote:

I'd give the guy some of my fish and teach him, too. We're all in this together.

^ Damn straight.

A lot of good points in here... I like this one especially.

I'd be happy to share my fish while the person learns to fish for himself, as long as they are learning...
At some point, people have to become responsible for themselves.

There is a difference between sharing and being Forced to share. Especially if that fish is feeding your family...

mikepegg44

Cosmo wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

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That simple saying works... as long as the man doing the teaching is a hunter, not a fisherman... right?
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So, are conservatives okay with teaching a man to fish... and having him fish in the same waters as himself?
That expands to... are Conservatives okay with trainning and educating people to take over THEIR jobs? Or do they want to teach poor people to compete for someone else's job.

yes actually they are...as competition is what conservatives should be about. Fake conservatives may not be, but competition in the work place benefits companies as well as consumers

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But in the real world, specifically, the U.S, for the better part, most people.... competition for their jobs... are okay with it as long as it's someone else's job. I don't think there are many people willing to train someone younger to take over their job... just as I don't think the fisherman will teach someone to fish, if it takes fish off his own table.
The only exception i can see are people who are poised to retire within the next few years.

people do it everyday...people teach and train others every day...how can people become plumbers, electricians, engineers, psychologists...people are taught daily how to do a job...but some just don't want to participate in the learning and expect things to be okay for them...when they are not it is someone else's fault...some phantom "cause" that is deliberately keeping them down...when education and training is the key...and often times education in the private sector is actually much better than you get a state run institutions...universities are a great example of that...state run facilities are ok, but private schools are where the best education comes from...

Parachute

polaris_x wrote:

conservatives are not into social programs such as education ... they believe that the control of education should be determined and controlled by the individual and that items like this and health care should be privatized and determined by the free market ... where its every person for themselves ...

feel free to correct me ...

Pretty darn close... Except the point about completely privatizing education- its just not feasable- and Im sure that underprivledged children would be left out on an even greater scale. ]

We already have private schools- that are light years ahead, and we have public, or government schools that like everything else the gov't runs, are expensive, bloated, and inefficient.

I think conservatives are more likely take the Fed out of anything they can, including education, and run it at the state level. (except the states are broke now).

Jeanwah

markin ball wrote:

I'd give the guy some of my fish and teach him, too. We're all in this together.

This is definitely the best answer so far.

Parachute

I'd be happy to share my fish while the person learns to fish for himself, as long as they are learning...
At some point, people have to become responsible for themselves.

There is a difference between sharing and being Forced to share. Especially if that fish is feeding your family...

You are absolutely right...

I think I fucked up the quote button...

Jeanwah

Parachute wrote:

I'd be happy to share my fish while the person learns to fish for himself, as long as they are learning...
At some point, people have to become responsible for themselves.

There is a difference between sharing and being Forced to share. Especially if that fish is feeding your family...

You are absolutely right...

I think I fucked up the quote button...

If you know this Blockhead person, he has made it quite clear in other threads that he's completely unwilling to contribute in any sort of universal "taking care of another person", whatsoever. He is only in it for himself and himself only. Forget anyone else. We know...

Blockhead

Jeanwah wrote:

If you know this Blockhead person, he has made it quite clear in other threads that he's completely unwilling to contribute in any sort of universal "taking care of another person", whatsoever. He is only in it for himself and himself only. Forget anyone else. We know...

:roll: Its forced help that I am against. I have a family of my own who is dependant on my money, and that money that I make with my body/brain should belong to me. I should not be forced to give out something that I work for... How is this such a hard concept to grasp. And guess what, the road i took to achieve what I have is made availabe to everybody, Its not my problem if some people choose to make other decisions in their life. I should not have to pay for people making the wrong decisions/actions.

Go Beavers

Lone Drawn Meteor wrote:

Saw this bumper sticker the other day: I think, therefore I am Conservative. Made me want to have a bumper sticker!

I love those ironic hipsters!

Go Beavers

universities are a great example of that...state run facilities are ok, but private schools are where the best education comes from.

I wouldn't be so sure about private colleges always being better than public. Competitive admissions doesn't always mean better education. A lot of the rankings that come out are flawed, too.

Blockhead

Go Beavers wrote:

universities are a great example of that...state run facilities are ok, but private schools are where the best education comes from.

I wouldn't be so sure about private colleges always being better than public. Competitive admissions doesn't always mean better education. A lot of the rankings that come out are flawed, too.

Why don't you compare the student make-up of those colleges. (private H.S. / Public H.S.)

Go Beavers

Blockhead wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

universities are a great example of that...state run facilities are ok, but private schools are where the best education comes from.

I wouldn't be so sure about private colleges always being better than public. Competitive admissions doesn't always mean better education. A lot of the rankings that come out are flawed, too.

Why don't you compare the student make-up of those colleges. (private H.S. / Public H.S.)

It looks like about 2/3 of public school students going to college go to a public college, and almost half of private highschoolers go to a public college. What do you correlate with that?

keeponrockin

markin ball wrote:

I'd give the guy some of my fish and teach him, too. We're all in this together.

This. Help him out until he's got it figured out.

usamamasan1

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance,
and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
Winston Churchill



OP, I agree with you 100%.

Jason P

Holy crap ... I think Obama may have actually figured out how to help those in need!! Letters!

http://beta.news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/struggling-single-mom-sells-obama-letter-153110485.html

At $10K - $20K a pop, get that man some pens and some stationary!

Parachute

usamamasan1 wrote:

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance,
and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
Winston Churchill



OP, I agree with you 100%.

A Churchill quote on the Train?

Ahhh..... it's a good day. Keep 'em coming.

Cosmo

mikepegg44 wrote:

people do it everyday...people teach and train others every day...how can people become plumbers, electricians, engineers, psychologists...people are taught daily how to do a job...but some just don't want to participate in the learning and expect things to be okay for them...when they are not it is someone else's fault...some phantom "cause" that is deliberately keeping them down...when education and training is the key...and often times education in the private sector is actually much better than you get a state run institutions...universities are a great example of that...state run facilities are ok, but private schools are where the best education comes from...

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The point I'm making is that plumbers teach plumbers to be plumbers someplace else.
Like, if your company brought in someone and told you that you needed to teach them how to do your job... you would do it, knowing that the person you are training is willing to work for less pay no pension and gladly contribute to the medical coverage co-pay... you would do it?
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Regarding education... of course private education is better. How much more does private schooling cost, as opposed to public schools? And if public shcools went away... what happens to all of those poor people's kids whose parents cannot afford to pay for an education? Is it better to have them running around during the day... or working at age 10?

ajedigecko

i think all music bands .......should have the same income/benefits as pearl jam.

Cosmo

Back to the basis of this thread...
'Give A Man A Fish, He Eats for A Day.
Teach A Man to Fish, He Eats For A Lifetime.'
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From the discussion, it should be...
'Give A Man A Fish, He Eats for A Day.
Make The Man Pay For The Education and Trainning He Cannot Afford For A Degree In Fishing Because It's Not My Goddamn Job To Teach The Stupid Motherfucker... and He Eats For A Lifetime.'
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We're gonna need a bigger bumper.