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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,548
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    Ahh, the "adult" pool at the Mirage. Good times.

    I will most likely try to do that as well - Bare. I've heard about that place turning into a sausage fest though because they advertise it as "topless", and all that ends up showing up is a bunch of dudes.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    Ahh, the "adult" pool at the Mirage. Good times.

    I will most likely try to do that as well - Bare. I've heard about that place turning into a sausage fest though because they advertise it as "topless", and all that ends up showing up is a bunch of dudes.

    I am sure it is now. I was there a couple years ago around this time, which was around the time it opened, and it was a good time. Lots of who I would imagine were strippers there. Was a good time but I would think you are probably right about that now.
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,404
    Despite all of our bitching about the Phillies' offense (I'm almost as guilty as anyone), they are 4th in the NL in runs per game with 4.33, behind StL (5.22!), Cin (5.11!) & Fla (4.47).
    Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila,  PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Despite all of our bitching about the Phillies' offense (I'm almost as guilty as anyone), they are 4th in the NL in runs per game with 4.33, behind StL (5.22!), Cin (5.11!) & Fla (4.47).
    Runs, RBI's and wins don't matter it's all about WAR,OPS didn't u get the memo :):lol: :shock:
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,404
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Despite all of our bitching about the Phillies' offense (I'm almost as guilty as anyone), they are 4th in the NL in runs per game with 4.33, behind StL (5.22!), Cin (5.11!) & Fla (4.47).
    .

    Runs, RBI's and wins don't matter it's all about WAR,OPS didn't u get the memo :):lol: :shock:

    Fucking WAR. People are brainwashed by this shit. I could come up with my own WAR tonight, and it would be just as good as all the other WAR's out there. :roll: (yes, there are multiple definitions of WAR, often with drastic differences - nice stat)
    Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila,  PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    So when arod breaks the all time RBI mark, he is the best player in the history of the game, right?
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    my WAR at work is off the charts. you guys would be impressed. :lol:

    anyone check out the threshers game last night? 26 looked pretty damn good. nice to see him running around. turned a double play. slid. knocked one over the fence. all encouraging signs.

    chooch looks fine. i think he's playing tonight.

    oswalt...fast ball lingering between 88-91. yeesh. maybe they'll give him another start now? cortizone?
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    The Juggler wrote:
    my WAR at work is off the charts. you guys would be impressed. :lol:

    anyone check out the threshers game last night? 26 looked pretty damn good. nice to see him running around. turned a double play. slid. knocked one over the fence. all encouraging signs.

    chooch looks fine. i think he's playing tonight.

    oswalt...fast ball lingering between 88-91. yeesh. maybe they'll give him another start now? cortizone?

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/ ... -thursday/
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    my WAR at work is off the charts. you guys would be impressed. :lol:

    anyone check out the threshers game last night? 26 looked pretty damn good. nice to see him running around. turned a double play. slid. knocked one over the fence. all encouraging signs.

    chooch looks fine. i think he's playing tonight.

    oswalt...fast ball lingering between 88-91. yeesh. maybe they'll give him another start now? cortizone?

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/ ... -thursday/

    give that man a corizone shot and call me in the morning.
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,404
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    So when arod breaks the all time RBI mark, he is the best player in the history of the game, right?

    I don't think anyone would ever deny that he is a great player, and one of the greatest hitters of all time.

    WAR sounds like the stats my company comes up with every year to screw us out of bonsues and raises.
    Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila,  PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    So when arod breaks the all time RBI mark, he is the best player in the history of the game, right?

    I don't think anyone would ever deny that he is a great player, and one of the greatest hitters of all time.

    WAR sounds like the stats my company comes up with every year to screw us out of bonsues and raises.

    I agee, but I also don't think he is the best hitter of all time based on RBI numbers. One of, but not best.

    When I get a few minutes I may try it but I think if you look at the top 10 players in terms of all time WAR and comparing that to the top 10 based on RBIs, the WAR will give you a much better list.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    So when arod breaks the all time RBI mark, he is the best player in the history of the game, right?

    I don't think anyone would ever deny that he is a great player, and one of the greatest hitters of all time.

    WAR sounds like the stats my company comes up with every year to screw us out of bonsues and raises.

    I agee, but I also don't think he is the best hitter of all time based on RBI numbers. One of, but not best.

    When I get a few minutes I may try it but I think if you look at the top 10 players in terms of all time WAR and comparing that to the top 10 based on RBIs, the WAR will give you a much better list.

    who is saying whoever is the alltime leader in rbi's must be the greatest hitter ever? ....i don't believe anyone is. :? :roll:
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    i usually hate these stupid blogs that appear on philly.com these days but this one caught my eye because it reminds of some posts in here this year:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6987 ... n-baseball

    2011 Philadelphia Phillies: A Bad Team with the Best Record in MLB
    In politics, they say that “perception is reality.” Fortunately, they do not say this in professional sports, because if they did, the Philadelphia Phillies would be in real trouble. Take, for example, a conversation I had with a Philadelphia friend named Josh and a non-Philadelphia friend named Scott while I was in New Orleans for the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival last weekend.

    Scott and I love obscure baseball t-shirts, so while in town I presented him with a “Philadelphia Phillies Opening Week” t-shirt which had been a give-away at Citizens Bank Park during the first homestand of the season. Scott, a lifelong Cubs fan, put on the shirt and said “it feels strange to wear the t-shirt of a winner.”

    Then we had the following amusing exchange:

    Me: “Wanna see something funny?”

    Scott: “Sure.”

    Me: “Hey Josh, how do the Phillies look this year?”

    Josh: “Oh, we’re so screwed.”

    Scott: “Wow.”

    Now, from where I sit, Josh’s take on the Phillies is pretty consistent with what Philly fans and sports radio talkers seem to think about the 2011 incarnation of the Fightin’ Phils: that despite the amazing rotation, the bullpen is bad and the offense is anemic, and even if Chase Utley comes back, we’ve got problems.

    But is this fair? Are losing perspective? Are our expectations a bit high?

    Forget fair; is it even true?

    Never mind the fact that the Phils have the best starting rotation in baseball, and Vance Worley appears ready to be a great major league pitcher. Never mind the fact that, with the exception of Raul Ibanez, most of the Phillies’ hitters are having better seasons than they did a year ago. Never mind the fact that the Phillies sell out every game while the other four teams in our division struggle to turn the stiles.

    Perhaps the best indicator of just how skewed our perspective is lies in this tasty little statistic:

    The Philadelphia Phillies currently have the best record in baseball.

    Perspective can be a funny thing in sports. Right now in Kansas City they’re dancing in the streets because the Royals are two games over .500 and in third place in the division. In Pittsburgh optimism is through the roof because the Pirates are one game under .500 and in third place in the division. Meanwhile, Orioles fans are ecstatic just to be ahead of anybody, let alone the Boston Red Sox, in the second week of May.

    But back here in Philadelphia, the local faithful are phreaking out because the Phillies have merely won two out of every three games.

    Do not misunderstand me: I get it. I understand the consternation. This is a once in a lifetime team, and we have gone figurative (and maybe literally) “all in” on this 2011 squad which seems to be showing signing of stress. With injuries to Chase Utley, Brad Lidge and Roy Oswalt, our offense seems over-matched, our bullpen is a real balancing act and our rotation is showing cracks where we did not expect them.

    At the same time, though, one has to wonder whether Philadelphia fans shall ever be happy. This is the city, after all, that absolutely loathes Andy Reid, a man who has almost literally had nothing but success in Philadelphia.

    One of the city’s loudest voices, Angelo Cataldi, declares that it is time to run Andre Igoudala out of town after the Philadelphia 76ers, a team that defied odds and over-achieved by even making the playoffs, had the audacity to lose to the Miami freakin’ Heat in the first round of the playoffs.

    And now the Phillies merely having the best record in baseball is leaving Phillies’ fans disappointed and listless.

    Of course, the reason that “perception is reality” in politics but not in sports is that in politics the voters actually get to vote based on how they perceive the country to be doing or their elected officials to be performing.

    In sports, though, the fans do not get to vote, which is a good thing, because if Phillies’ fans were allowed to vote based on their perception of reality, the Phillies might be out of office in a hurry.

    Which would be quite the outcome for the best team in baseball.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,940
    The Juggler wrote:
    i usually hate these stupid blogs that appear on philly.com these days but this one caught my eye because it reminds of some posts in here this year:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6987 ... n-baseball

    2011 Philadelphia Phillies: A Bad Team with the Best Record in MLB
    In politics, they say that “perception is reality.” Fortunately, they do not say this in professional sports, because if they did, the Philadelphia Phillies would be in real trouble. Take, for example, a conversation I had with a Philadelphia friend named Josh and a non-Philadelphia friend named Scott while I was in New Orleans for the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival last weekend.

    Scott and I love obscure baseball t-shirts, so while in town I presented him with a “Philadelphia Phillies Opening Week” t-shirt which had been a give-away at Citizens Bank Park during the first homestand of the season. Scott, a lifelong Cubs fan, put on the shirt and said “it feels strange to wear the t-shirt of a winner.”

    Then we had the following amusing exchange:

    Me: “Wanna see something funny?”

    Scott: “Sure.”

    Me: “Hey Josh, how do the Phillies look this year?”

    Josh: “Oh, we’re so screwed.”

    Scott: “Wow.”

    Now, from where I sit, Josh’s take on the Phillies is pretty consistent with what Philly fans and sports radio talkers seem to think about the 2011 incarnation of the Fightin’ Phils: that despite the amazing rotation, the bullpen is bad and the offense is anemic, and even if Chase Utley comes back, we’ve got problems.

    But is this fair? Are losing perspective? Are our expectations a bit high?

    Forget fair; is it even true?

    Never mind the fact that the Phils have the best starting rotation in baseball, and Vance Worley appears ready to be a great major league pitcher. Never mind the fact that, with the exception of Raul Ibanez, most of the Phillies’ hitters are having better seasons than they did a year ago. Never mind the fact that the Phillies sell out every game while the other four teams in our division struggle to turn the stiles.

    Perhaps the best indicator of just how skewed our perspective is lies in this tasty little statistic:

    The Philadelphia Phillies currently have the best record in baseball.

    Perspective can be a funny thing in sports. Right now in Kansas City they’re dancing in the streets because the Royals are two games over .500 and in third place in the division. In Pittsburgh optimism is through the roof because the Pirates are one game under .500 and in third place in the division. Meanwhile, Orioles fans are ecstatic just to be ahead of anybody, let alone the Boston Red Sox, in the second week of May.

    But back here in Philadelphia, the local faithful are phreaking out because the Phillies have merely won two out of every three games.

    Do not misunderstand me: I get it. I understand the consternation. This is a once in a lifetime team, and we have gone figurative (and maybe literally) “all in” on this 2011 squad which seems to be showing signing of stress. With injuries to Chase Utley, Brad Lidge and Roy Oswalt, our offense seems over-matched, our bullpen is a real balancing act and our rotation is showing cracks where we did not expect them.

    At the same time, though, one has to wonder whether Philadelphia fans shall ever be happy. This is the city, after all, that absolutely loathes Andy Reid, a man who has almost literally had nothing but success in Philadelphia.

    One of the city’s loudest voices, Angelo Cataldi, declares that it is time to run Andre Igoudala out of town after the Philadelphia 76ers, a team that defied odds and over-achieved by even making the playoffs, had the audacity to lose to the Miami freakin’ Heat in the first round of the playoffs.

    And now the Phillies merely having the best record in baseball is leaving Phillies’ fans disappointed and listless.

    Of course, the reason that “perception is reality” in politics but not in sports is that in politics the voters actually get to vote based on how they perceive the country to be doing or their elected officials to be performing.

    In sports, though, the fans do not get to vote, which is a good thing, because if Phillies’ fans were allowed to vote based on their perception of reality, the Phillies might be out of office in a hurry.

    Which would be quite the outcome for the best team in baseball.

    bleacherreport is usually pretty spotty (well mostly because it's the angelo's of the world writing on it) but this one is spot on. the negativity out there (and in here) for a team with the best record in baseball is crazy. all everyone talked about last year was 'if we only had lee and halladay together' - well we do. as i said to the Fixer the other day, your choice was lee and halladay or werth and halladay. the right choice was made. lets win the next series.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    pjhawks wrote:
    bleacherreport is usually pretty spotty (well mostly because it's the angelo's of the world writing on it) but this one is spot on. the negativity out there (and in here) for a team with the best record in baseball is crazy. all everyone talked about last year was 'if we only had lee and halladay together' - well we do. as i said to the Fixer the other day, your choice was lee and halladay or werth and halladay. the right choice was made. lets win the next series.

    "spotty" is being overly generous. i'd say it is usually garbage. i hate how that stuff takes up most of philly.com's sports area......but yeah, i agree with you for the most part here.

    reinforcements not here yet, and we're 24-12. :mrgreen:

    big early season series starting tonight. can't wait.
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,404
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    So when arod breaks the all time RBI mark, he is the best player in the history of the game, right?

    I don't think anyone would ever deny that he is a great player, and one of the greatest hitters of all time.

    WAR sounds like the stats my company comes up with every year to screw us out of bonsues and raises.

    I agee, but I also don't think he is the best hitter of all time based on RBI numbers. One of, but not best.

    When I get a few minutes I may try it but I think if you look at the top 10 players in terms of all time WAR and comparing that to the top 10 based on RBIs, the WAR will give you a much better list.

    This is a nice list:

    1. Hank Aaron+ 2297 R
    2. Babe Ruth+ 2213 L
    3. Cap Anson+ 2075 R
    4. Barry Bonds 1996 L
    5. Lou Gehrig+ 1995 L
    6. Stan Musial+ 1951 L
    7. Ty Cobb+ 1938 L
    8. Jimmie Foxx+ 1922 R
    9. Eddie Murray+ 1917 B
    10. Willie Mays+ 1903 R

    Which WAR are you gonna use? Moe's, Larry's or Curly's?
    Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila,  PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    The Juggler wrote:

    who is saying whoever is the alltime leader in rbi's must be the greatest hitter ever? ....i don't believe anyone is. :? :roll:

    Many people here think RBIs are the end all be all it seems.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    This is a nice list:

    1. Hank Aaron+ 2297 R
    2. Babe Ruth+ 2213 L
    3. Cap Anson+ 2075 R
    4. Barry Bonds 1996 L
    5. Lou Gehrig+ 1995 L
    6. Stan Musial+ 1951 L
    7. Ty Cobb+ 1938 L
    8. Jimmie Foxx+ 1922 R
    9. Eddie Murray+ 1917 B
    10. Willie Mays+ 1903 R

    Which WAR are you gonna use? Moe's, Larry's or Curly's?

    It is a nice list but I dont think anyone would say that is a top 10 list of the 10 best hitters ever. Willie Mays is 9th.

    I would use FanGraphs, that is all I really use.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Top 10 in WAR according to FanGraphs since 1900

    Babe Ruth
    Barry Bonds
    Ty Cobb
    Willie Mays
    Hank Aaron
    Tris Speaker
    Ted Williams
    Stan Musial
    Honus Wagner
    Eddie Collins
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:

    who is saying whoever is the alltime leader in rbi's must be the greatest hitter ever? ....i don't believe anyone is. :? :roll:

    Many people here think RBIs are the end all be all it seems.

    i don't think that's the case at all. i see some who give it too much credence and some who give it no credence at all. as is often the case, the truch lies right in the middle.
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