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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    ONCE DEVIDED wrote:
    NO RELIGOUS BELEIFS#just believ religon should be outlawed as a collective thing.it only give power to the few. profit for the few
    death and destruction for many
    however I BELIEVE IN YOU !!!
    And I believe in you too!! :D
    that is a beautiful thought and all we really need.... thank you!
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    One quick thought that has occurred to me over the years now...
    most especially in discussions like this

    I will never know if I was wrong.... I will be dead as a doornail

    but if there is an afterlife,

    and indeed we have souls on a continuing journey....

    then those who don't believe in that

    will know they were wrong....

    and they will travel on with the rest of us.

    I think that is a win win :thumbup:

    WINNING.... :lol: situation!
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    pandora wrote:
    One quick thought that has occurred to me over the years now...
    most especially in discussions like this

    I will never know if I was wrong.... I will be dead as a doornail

    but if there is an afterlife,

    and indeed we have souls on a continuing journey....

    then those who don't believe in that

    will know they were wrong....

    and they will travel on with the rest of us.

    This reminds me of the next thing I was going to post here; it was a quote I read once that went something like this: "I would rather believe in God during life [note: not an organized religion] and die to find out that he doesn't exist than to live as if he doesn't exist only to die and find out that he does".
    I think that is a win win :thumbup:

    WINNING.... :lol: situation!
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    pandora wrote:
    One quick thought that has occurred to me over the years now...
    most especially in discussions like this

    I will never know if I was wrong.... I will be dead as a doornail

    but if there is an afterlife,

    and indeed we have souls on a continuing journey....

    then those who don't believe in that

    will know they were wrong....

    and they will travel on with the rest of us.

    I think that is a win win :thumbup:

    WINNING.... :lol: situation!

    "I would rather live my life believing that God does exist, then die to find out he doesn't, than to live my life not believing he exists, only to die to find out that he does".
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    EmBleve wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    One quick thought that has occurred to me over the years now...
    most especially in discussions like this

    I will never know if I was wrong.... I will be dead as a doornail

    but if there is an afterlife,

    and indeed we have souls on a continuing journey....

    then those who don't believe in that

    will know they were wrong....

    and they will travel on with the rest of us.

    I think that is a win win :thumbup:

    WINNING.... :lol: situation!

    "I would rather live my life believing that God does exist, then die to find out he doesn't, than to live my life not believing he exists, only to die to find out that he does".
    :thumbup: me too EmBleve, me too
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    God spelt backwards is Dog. Dogs are a loving animal. They show us unconditional love. What if god is in the form of all the dogs in the world to teach us how to love?What' that saying? All dogs go to heaven? Maybe it's a clue? What about "mans best friend"? Could be another hint? But if you don't love dogs you really don't love god and you go to hell and there will be no dogs. Just rats and snakes and spiders and centipedes.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    God spelt backwards is Dog. Dogs are a loving animal. They show us unconditional love. What if god is in the form of all the dogs in the world to teach us how to love?What' that saying? All dogs go to heaven? Maybe it's a clue? What about "mans best friend"? Could be another hint? But if you don't love dogs you really don't love god and you go to hell and there will be no dogs. Just rats and snakes and spiders and centipedes.
    that ending was very visual..I feel a little itchy :lol:

    I agree about dogs, have always felt a spiritual connection to them

    They are the best thing in my life over all as I have had one since I was born...
    55 years now and I will have one until the day I leave
    The love bond we share with them unique and I know I wouldn't feel right without it.

    I'm looking for clues too :D
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:
    God spelt backwards is Dog. Dogs are a loving animal. They show us unconditional love. What if god is in the form of all the dogs in the world to teach us how to love?What' that saying? All dogs go to heaven? Maybe it's a clue? What about "mans best friend"? Could be another hint? But if you don't love dogs you really don't love god and you go to hell and there will be no dogs. Just rats and snakes and spiders and centipedes.

    What do you call an agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac?

















    Someone who stays up all night wondering if there really is a dog!
    :lol::lol: :oops: :D
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    EmBleve wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    One quick thought that has occurred to me over the years now...
    most especially in discussions like this

    I will never know if I was wrong.... I will be dead as a doornail

    but if there is an afterlife,

    and indeed we have souls on a continuing journey....

    then those who don't believe in that

    will know they were wrong....

    and they will travel on with the rest of us.

    I think that is a win win :thumbup:

    WINNING.... :lol: situation!

    "I would rather live my life believing that God does exist, then die to find out he doesn't, than to live my life not believing he exists, only to die to find out that he does".

    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:

    "I would rather live my life believing that God does exist, then die to find out he doesn't, than to live my life not believing he exists, only to die to find out that he does".

    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?

    I agree - it's 'believing' for the wrong reasons. Covering all options. Well... not quite all. There is not just one god, is there?
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:

    "I would rather live my life believing that God does exist, then die to find out he doesn't, than to live my life not believing he exists, only to die to find out that he does".

    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?

    I agree - it's 'believing' for the wrong reasons. Covering all options. Well... not quite all. There is not just one god, is there?
    funny I totally got it and it wasn't either what you guys said...hmmmm
  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    pandora wrote:
    that ending was very visual..I feel a little itchy :lol:

    I agree about dogs, have always felt a spiritual connection to them.They are the best thing in my life over all as I have had one since I was born...
    55 years now and I will have one until the day I leave
    The love bond we share with them unique and I know I wouldn't feel right without it.

    I'm looking for clues too :D

    Oh come off it, it was only a joke, lol. Just goes to show that religious beliefs are nutty. But I share your love of dogs. Well, most of them anyway.
    Another habit says it's in love with you
    Another habit says its long overdue
    Another habit like an unwanted friend
    I'm so happy with my righteous self
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:

    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?

    I agree - it's 'believing' for the wrong reasons. Covering all options. Well... not quite all. There is not just one god, is there?
    funny I totally got it and it wasn't either what you guys said...hmmmm

    Of course you did.
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    redrock wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:

    "I would rather live my life believing that God does exist, then die to find out he doesn't, than to live my life not believing he exists, only to die to find out that he does".

    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?

    I agree - it's 'believing' for the wrong reasons. Covering all options. Well... not quite all. There is not just one god, is there?


    It's not believing for the 'wrong' reasons....It doesn't even say WHY I believe, does it?? In fact, it is a quote---not my exact words. You don't even know what that quote means to me, or how I interpret it, because I did not elaborate..I was just stating a quote. "Covering all options" is your interpretation of that quote, not mine. So please don't put words in my mouth.
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    One quick thought that has occurred to me over the years now...

    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?

    No, it's not a 'back-up plan'. It is the recitation of a quote--without my personal interpretation of that quote. And whatever my interpretation (or anybody's for that matter), yes, to a certain extent, my beliefs do serve my personal need at the moment---and they serve a need through confidence and faith. It goes hand in hand.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    EmBleve wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:

    No offense, but doesnt this just make it a back-up plan? If you truely believe in God, shouldnt you believe because you are confident in your God, not because it serves your needs?

    I agree - it's 'believing' for the wrong reasons. Covering all options. Well... not quite all. There is not just one god, is there?


    It's not believing for the 'wrong' reasons....It doesn't even say WHY I believe, does it?? In fact, it is a quote---not my exact words. You don't even know what that quote means to me, or how I interpret it, because I did not elaborate..I was just stating a quote. "Covering all options" is your interpretation of that quote, not mine. So please don't put words in my mouth.

    Of course it's a quote - quite a famous one. All to do with Pascal's wager. Wager... gamble... That's what it's all about. Might want to read his Pensees if you haven't yet. At least to understand this quote in context - what was meant by it.
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    Of course it's a quote - quite a famous one. All to do with Pascal's wager. Wager... gamble... That's what it's all about. Might want to read his Pensees if you haven't yet. At least to understand this quote in context - what was meant by it.[/quote]

    a wager...a gamble....that's what life is. And I can apply this quote, personally, in whatever context I choose. It's not a literary dissection.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    EmBleve wrote:
    Of course it's a quote - quite a famous one. All to do with Pascal's wager. Wager... gamble... That's what it's all about. Might want to read his Pensees if you haven't yet. At least to understand this quote in context - what was meant by it.

    a wager...a gamble....that's what life is. And I can apply this quote, personally, in whatever context I choose. It's not a literary dissection.[/quote]

    Nope but a discussion on religious beliefs - which is what this quote is all about god's existence. Of course you can read/understand this as you wish but maybe use your own words as it's very confusing since it's context is quite well known.

    So life is a gamble, I guess the 'afterlife' is one too.. as is your 'belief'?
  • EmBleve
    EmBleve Posts: 3,019
    redrock wrote:
    EmBleve wrote:
    Of course it's a quote - quite a famous one. All to do with Pascal's wager. Wager... gamble... That's what it's all about. Might want to read his Pensees if you haven't yet. At least to understand this quote in context - what was meant by it.

    a wager...a gamble....that's what life is. And I can apply this quote, personally, in whatever context I choose. It's not a literary dissection.

    Nope but a discussion on religious beliefs - which is what this quote is all about god's existence. Of course you can read/understand this as you wish but maybe use your own words as it's very confusing since it's context is quite well known.

    So life is a gamble, I guess the 'afterlife' is one too.. as is your 'belief'?[/quote]

    I don't even understand what you mean by that question; and who are you to have such a subtly sarcastic interrogative stance when you don't me, nor anything about me nor what I believe??.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    EmBleve wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Of course it's a quote - quite a famous one. All to do with Pascal's wager. Wager... gamble... That's what it's all about. Might want to read his Pensees if you haven't yet. At least to understand this quote in context - what was meant by it.
    EmBleve wrote:
    a wager...a gamble....that's what life is. And I can apply this quote, personally, in whatever context I choose. It's not a literary dissection.

    Nope but a discussion on religious beliefs - which is what this quote is all about god's existence. Of course you can read/understand this as you wish but maybe use your own words as it's very confusing since it's context is quite well known.

    So life is a gamble, I guess the 'afterlife' is one too.. as is your 'belief'?
    EmBleve wrote:
    I don't even understand what you mean by that question; and who are you to have such an interrogative stance when you don't me, nor anything about me nor what I believe??.

    I'm just 'discussing' - you opened a door with a certain quote. You mention life is a gamble and, as the quote has to do about gambling on the existence of god, I'm just wondering if you also consider the afterlife a gamble and if your belief in god is based on this gamble. That's all. A discussion about beliefs in a Religious Beliefs thread.

    But it really doesn't matter if you answer or not and you can close this door. Let's do that if you feel more comfortable about it and not talk about the 'wager' anymore.

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