Project #8 - The Whispers of War: Riot Act Live

Cameron4President wrote:

myra wrote:

Cameron4President wrote:

FYI

"I Won't Back Down" has been played a total of 10 times according to the 10c, and I have all of these boots. The problem that we have is that I am pretty sure that Eddie fucks up the lyrics on all ten.

And this song is damn hard to sing right ! Makes for a great sing-along

It's one of the best sing-along's, no mater where you are at. Car, shower, at work, concert, grocery store, I could go on and on.

:thumbup: Especially at the grocery store.

Cameron4President wrote:

myra wrote:

Cameron4President wrote:

All I need is (1) "I Won't Back Down" and a final word on bonus song track order

* sigh* I don't know anymore.
Do you want to change it or was it just me in the first place ?
I'm good with the bonus track order though. I mean, we could move Give peace a chance around a bit and it'd probably be relevant and I wouldn't mind, but I sort of feel it's a good transition, a sort of 'encore break'. But then again, I'm fine either way.

Personally I like the bonus track order the way it is. It flows really good.

As for I Won't Back Down, I say we go with Vancouver and see how it fits on Version 1.

All sounds cool

The current one is the only 2003 I won't back down that I've heard recently, so I can't really give an informed opinion. I liked it a lot though - mainly to do with the relevance and significance amongst the other covers.

Just listened to the Rough Draft again until my battery died.... still sounding very nice!

Cameron4President wrote:

Project #8 - "Pearl Jam - The Whispers of War: Riot Act Live" **Version 1**

Track List:

Can't Keep - Bristow, Virginia (July 1, 2003)
Save You - Mexico City, Mexico (July 17, 2003)
Love Boat Captain - Sydney, Australia (February 11, 2003)
Cropduster - Phoenix, Arizona (June 7, 2003)
Ghost - West Palm Beach, Florida (April 11, 2003)
I Am Mine - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (April 3, 2003)
Thumbing My Way - Fargo, North Dakota (June 15, 2003)
You Are - Mexico City, Mexico (July 18, 2003)
Get Right - Mansfield, Massachusetts (July 2, 2003)
Green Disease - Dallas, Texas (June 9, 2003)
Help Help - Clarkston, Michigan (June 25, 2003)
Bu$hleaguer - Brisbane, Australia (February 8, 2003)
1/2 Full - Atlanta, Georgia (April 19, 2003)
All Or None - Albany, New York (April 29, 2003)
Give Peace A Chance - Adelaide, Australia (February 16, 2003)
I Won't Back Down - Vancouver, British Columbia (May 30, 2003)
I Am A Patriot - Mansfield, Massachusetts (July 3, 2003)
Gimme Some Truth - Raleigh, North Carolina (April 15, 2003)
Know Your Rights - Uniondale, New York (April 30, 2003)
Fortunate Son - Perth, Australia (February 23, 2003)

Sounds good ! Getting ready for some ruthless listening to version 1 ...

Cameron4President wrote:

Cameron4President wrote:

Project #8 - "Pearl Jam - The Whispers of War: Riot Act Live" **Version 1**

Track List:

Can't Keep - Bristow, Virginia (July 1, 2003)
Save You - Mexico City, Mexico (July 17, 2003)
Love Boat Captain - Sydney, Australia (February 11, 2003)
Cropduster - Phoenix, Arizona (June 7, 2003)
Ghost - West Palm Beach, Florida (April 11, 2003)
I Am Mine - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (April 3, 2003)
Thumbing My Way - Fargo, North Dakota (June 15, 2003)
You Are - Mexico City, Mexico (July 18, 2003)
Get Right - Mansfield, Massachusetts (July 2, 2003)
Green Disease - Dallas, Texas (June 9, 2003)
Help Help - Clarkston, Michigan (June 25, 2003)
Bu$hleaguer - Brisbane, Australia (February 8, 2003)
1/2 Full - Atlanta, Georgia (April 19, 2003)
All Or None - Albany, New York (April 29, 2003)
Give Peace A Chance - Adelaide, Australia (February 16, 2003)
I Won't Back Down - Vancouver, British Columbia (May 30, 2003)
I Am A Patriot - Mansfield, Massachusetts (July 3, 2003)
Gimme Some Truth - Raleigh, North Carolina (April 15, 2003)
Know Your Rights - Uniondale, New York (April 30, 2003)
Fortunate Son - Perth, Australia (February 23, 2003)

Version 1 is being uploaded now and should be PM'd in about 10 minutes.

Wow, already ? Cool !

Just got some free time after a super busy day - have not made it all the way through version 1 yet - but it was sounding real good. I will try and complete my listening in the next hour, and so have more to say on the covers etc.

Have been enjoying this a lot - but I think some RIot Act tracks have never really worked as well 'live' as on the record, and some of the songs as songs just aren't as strong as their other material - so without the particular mood of the studio record, they suffer a bit. I think the bonus tracks are really capturing some of the spirit of the tour though - and are a really good listen in their own right.

Will try and listen now and report back

Just had a good listen through to the 'Riot Act' portion of the album - and I have some opinions! Wanna hear them? Probably not, but....

It's difficult, because I really enjoyed the Version 1 overall, but I found I enjoyed some tracks more than I do on the studio album, and others less so - a mixed bag. For me, the studio album works because I love the first haf so much, that I can kind of forgive the second half, and I get into the spirit of it. For me the studio album works because of the way Ed sings it - from some deep dark places I think. On the road though it's obviously an entirely different atmosphere - and with this collection I found myself enjoying You Are, Help Help, Half full and some others more than I would the standalone tracks on the record.

Personally speaking, the bits of version 1 that I wouldn't change, and that really work for me - are Save You, Thumbing my way, You Are, Ghost, Help Help, Half full, all or none - and I think the bonus tracks are great, and I'll say more when I come to them in a bit.

Below are the tracks which on the current collection I feel a bit let down by, and am wondering if we can find better versions, if we have the inclination - to really push this into being a 'great' collection. I will say why I am left a bit flat by these tracks

Can't Keep - the changes in lyrics after a few listens are preventing me getting too much into the song - also I think we are missing a lyric from the later part of the song (but I can't remember which one now!). I agree it's an intense version - and maybe we can leave this alone and I will adjust

Cropduster - the studio cut is in my top 5 Pearl Jam songs :shock: :shock: - but I am not really getting this effect live - it might be that there isn't a better version, but I will volunteer to go through a lot of different cropdusters tomorrow and see if there is one with a bit more 'magic' in it. Also this version does have some squealing feedback in it about half way through.

I am Mine - really got into the second half of this song, but not so much the first half. I think we would benefit from a more 'epic' sounding opening.

Get Right - this version seems a bit flat, and I think this is a clear case of a song which should be better live than on the record.


Anyway - feel free to throw out any or all of these opinions, but these were my personal reactions to Version 1 Riot Act section - overall great, but my favourite songs (the first three mentioned above) didn't move me as much 'live' as on the record. I don't know if there are any versions out there that would do - but I'm happy to try and find the ultimate (imo) cropduster if this is helpful.

phew

tremors wrote:

Just had a good listen through to the 'Riot Act' portion of the album - and I have some opinions! Wanna hear them? Probably not, but....

It's difficult, because I really enjoyed the Version 1 overall, but I found I enjoyed some tracks more than I do on the studio album, and others less so - a mixed bag. For me, the studio album works because I love the first haf so much, that I can kind of forgive the second half, and I get into the spirit of it. For me the studio album works because of the way Ed sings it - from some deep dark places I think. On the road though it's obviously an entirely different atmosphere - and with this collection I found myself enjoying You Are, Help Help, Half full and some others more than I would the standalone tracks on the record.

Personally speaking, the bits of version 1 that I wouldn't change, and that really work for me - are Save You, Thumbing my way, You Are, Ghost, Help Help, Half full, all or none - and I think the bonus tracks are great, and I'll say more when I come to them in a bit.

Below are the tracks which on the current collection I feel a bit let down by, and am wondering if we can find better versions, if we have the inclination - to really push this into being a 'great' collection. I will say why I am left a bit flat by these tracks

Can't Keep - the changes in lyrics after a few listens are preventing me getting too much into the song - also I think we are missing a lyric from the later part of the song (but I can't remember which one now!). I agree it's an intense version - and maybe we can leave this alone and I will adjust

Cropduster - the studio cut is in my top 5 Pearl Jam songs :shock: :shock: - but I am not really getting this effect live - it might be that there isn't a better version, but I will volunteer to go through a lot of different cropdusters tomorrow and see if there is one with a bit more 'magic' in it. Also this version does have some squealing feedback in it about half way through.

I am Mine - really got into the second half of this song, but not so much the first half. I think we would benefit from a more 'epic' sounding opening.

Get Right - this version seems a bit flat, and I think this is a clear case of a song which should be better live than on the record.


Anyway - feel free to throw out any or all of these opinions, but these were my personal reactions to Version 1 Riot Act section - overall great, but my favourite songs (the first three mentioned above) didn't move me as much 'live' as on the record. I don't know if there are any versions out there that would do - but I'm happy to try and find the ultimate (imo) cropduster if this is helpful.

phew

Although RA is one of my two favorite albums, so I didn't really expect to 'discover' songs there as I did with the previous projects, there are songs I expected more of.

I reckon Cropduster might be one of them, for the exact opposite reason ie I expected to finally 'meet' it for it's not been a go-to song for me so far. I'm not unhappy with the one we've got now though.

I'm happy with Can't keep, but then again I can understand the change in the lyrics may also be off-putting.

As for I am mine and Get right, well, those could benefit from a new listening session and selection I guess.

Am currently listening to Get right and I find I might like Mexico City and possibly Toronto better. But I'll keep listening, I'm not through yet.