1-They have better, cooler fans who know very, very detailed information (Such as how many times has a song been played since released, if at all)
this is a foolish statement
and that is simply your opinion regarding my opinion. don't like it?? guess you must be a metallica fan?
No it's foolish because Metallica has at least twice as many fans worldwide as PJ does and I'm sure a good portion of them are as obsessed with Metallica as people around here are obsessed with Pearl Jam
PJ is better overall, but, regarding the Napster issue? Wasn't it just Lars who instigated that whole thing with going to court and trial? I'm not complaining and trashing anyone band wise just curious. I thought their was some sort of heavy backlash towards Lars because of it, and he changed his story on the whole reason for why he took them to court. Just asking.
I like Pearl jam alot more, and I Just connect with their music more. That being said, Metallica is a Great band as well, and do put on a great live show.
They have started doing what PJ does and sell mp3's of their shows online. Yes, PJ has always done it freely, But Metallica Fans can enjoy the mp3's of their shows now.
I do think that is cool though that Metallica does Meet and greets. That is cool . Just curious what's the price/ process of getting those?
Pearl Jam brings the fire to shows with their music, Metallica brings it with pyrotechnics that incinerate the lead singer.
Vedder has shown more balls climbing dangerous shit and leaping from it than Hetfield has ever risked in anything.
Vedder's vocal capabilities are about 1000 times that of Hetfield's.
Pearl Jam likes one another without counselors being involved.
Vedder doesn't sound absolutely juvenile when addressing the audience and doesn't speak to the audience in third person.
Pearl Jam doesn't need to tell the city currently being played in 10,000 times that they love that city. I can't tell you how many times I heard, "Metallica loves you, Denver!"
Pearl Jam has never used trash can lids as percussion instruments like it sounds like Ulrich did on St. Anger.
Now having said all that, I enjoy music and shows from both of them.
And so on and so forth until you probably get to Master of Puppets.
IMO....Death Magnetic blows Backspacer, Avocado, Riot Act and Binaural out of the water. And I liked Backspacer. Load does the same although I can't say the same about Reload.
Pearl Jam brings the fire to shows with their music, Metallica brings it with pyrotechnics that incinerate the lead singer. Both bands are great live with or without pyro. Metallica 93 was still hands down the best live show I have ever seen but PJ overall have been more consistent.
Vedder has shown more balls climbing dangerous shit and leaping from it than Hetfield has ever risked in anything. Hey come on...you said it above - Hetfield stepped on pyro. How tough is that? Ha ha.
Vedder's vocal capabilities are about 1000 times that of Hetfield's. True..but Hetfield's guitar skills are over 1000 times better than Ed's.
Pearl Jam likes one another without counselors being involved. Don't think PJ members have always seen eye to eye but cant argue with the counselor part.
Vedder doesn't sound absolutely juvenile when addressing the audience and doesn't speak to the audience in third person. True....That is one thing I dont like about James
Pearl Jam doesn't need to tell the city currently being played in 10,000 times that they love that city. I can't tell you how many times I heard, "Metallica loves you, Denver!" True again
Now having said all that, I enjoy music and shows from both of them.
PJ is better overall, but, regarding the Napster issue? Wasn't it just Lars who instigated that whole thing with going to court and trial? I'm not complaining and trashing anyone band wise just curious. I thought their was some sort of heavy backlash towards Lars because of it, and he changed his story on the whole reason for why he took them to court. Just asking.
I like Pearl jam alot more, and I Just connect with their music more. That being said, Metallica is a Great band as well, and do put on a great live show.
They have started doing what PJ does and sell mp3's of their shows online. Yes, PJ has always done it freely, But Metallica Fans can enjoy the mp3's of their shows now.
I do think that is cool though that Metallica does Meet and greets. That is cool . Just curious what's the price/ process of getting those?
Lars decided to be the face of the Napster fight and he paid dearly for it. He came across as a pretentious prick and as a result, the band suffered a lot of backlash and lost fans. I completely agree he went about it the wrong way but to those who think they are assholes for fighting Napster, do you think it's cool for me to download LOXL for free or any other album tracks? They stood up for what they believed in....how does that differ from fighting Ticketmaster (and essentially caving in and using them almost exclusively)?
The meet and greets go to 30 random fan club members at each show. You have to be a member but you don't have to pay to meet them.
You've never seen Eddie on fire on stage have you? Silly Metallica.
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PJ is better overall, but, regarding the Napster issue? Wasn't it just Lars who instigated that whole thing with going to court and trial? I'm not complaining and trashing anyone band wise just curious. I thought their was some sort of heavy backlash towards Lars because of it, and he changed his story on the whole reason for why he took them to court. Just asking.
Lars was the face of the whole napster thing and copped all the shit even though their were other bands/music acts supporting Metallica at the time. Oh and they never actually tried to sue any fans. In the end, they were right in what they were fighting for. Illegal downloading has been slowly killing the music industry since. Back then bands were selling 5-10 million copies in the US but now it is 2 million if you are lucky.
Many record companies have gone broke or have cut back on record deals so it is now very hard for talented bands to make it which sucks. We now get stuck with all the manufactured pop shit.
Another Pro-Met thing...I just logged into the Metclub website and waiting for me were a sale on leftover tour merchandise in the store, an update on the new issue of their fan club magazine (when is the last time we heard anything about Deep?), a new video of a song from an Australian show in November, new pictures of fan submissions to their headquarters and information for a local fan club chapter in Milan. This stuff was all updated today, February 14th. They usually do updates at least twice a week.
PJ is better overall, but, regarding the Napster issue? Wasn't it just Lars who instigated that whole thing with going to court and trial? I'm not complaining and trashing anyone band wise just curious. I thought their was some sort of heavy backlash towards Lars because of it, and he changed his story on the whole reason for why he took them to court. Just asking.
Lars was the face of the whole napster thing and copped all the shit even though their were other bands/music acts supporting Metallica at the time. Oh and they never actually tried to sue any fans. In the end, they were right in what they were fighting for. Illegal downloading has been slowly killing the music industry since. Back then bands were selling 5-10 million copies in the US but now it is 2 million if you are lucky.
Many record companies have gone broke or have cut back on record deals so it is now very hard for talented bands to make it which sucks. We now get stuck with all the manufactured pop shit.[/quote
I've always said Napster opened the flood gate for digital music and illegal downloading. It might have been around before, but it was publisized through Napster. It's the starting point of why record labels and even some bands are scratching their heads trying to accomodate the new business module. Bands nowadays do suffer as a result. I agree. It has always been about opinion, but now Record labels are soley after what the "in" trend is. If it's emo punk pop generic shit, bands with that sound are HOPING to get signed. Major labels have always fed off Trends. My opinion is weird, cause I see what the labels are going through, and understand the frustration. However, Labels have always scrwewed bands, by obtaining rights to recordings once recorded, then making the bands pay back HUGE bills on an INVESTMENT the label made. "Running down a dream" leads great insight on this. So in a way, digital technology/ downloads are a middle finger to the labels.
James Hetfield is amazing. He knelt down in front of me and Gave me the horns when I was on the rail at Nassau.
Seen them 5 times, and never disappointed me once. Load is a magical album... so much love for MET \m/
They tour, and tour, and tour some more. Great fan club, and great times.
And LOL at the guy saying PJ gives the fans better choice of seating.... the same year I joined Metclub I was on the rail at Nassau above, the next show two days later I was on the floor, the show after that I wanted seats I was the first few rows off the floor.
So... yeah. In Madness we dwelllll.
2008 - MSG 6/24-6/25
2010 - Newark 5/18 MSG 5/21
2011 - PJ20 9/3-9/4
2012 - MIA Festival 9/2
2013 - Wrigley Field 7/19 Brooklyn 10/18-10/19 Philly 10/22
2015 - Colbert show - 9/23 Global Citizens Festival 9/26
2016 - Philly 4/28-4/29 MSG 5/1-5/2
I would just like to know where you work that you are able to debate PJ vs Metallica in the company newsletter.
But yeah, you can't compare bands really. Especially these two. It's amazing how wrong some PJ fans are in their assessment of Metallica, as I'm sure some of their fans would be of PJ as well.
Agreed. These two bands have nothing in common other than the fact that they have made music for a long time, are committed to it and will continue for a long time.
Yeah, lotta really ridiculously biased(for what?) views of Metallica. Seems like alotta jealousy really.
I don't see how you can fault Metallica for taking years off between touring. They come back around and tour relentlessly. And it's much better than the touring program that PJ has signed up for.
As others have said....Metallica fighting Napster was very much in the same vein as PJ fighting Ticketmaster, except now Metallica isn't selling their albums solely through Napster.
They're jerks?? Judging from the number of people that have met them and said otherwise that's easily disputable. They really seem like anything but that in interviews. I think Lars likes to play the rockstar, but he doesn't take it too seriously.
Seriously people hating on James for the rehab....That's just ridiculous. A dude in a metal band(once called Alcoholica) hittin rehab so he could remember raising his kids. Man, what a fuckin dick!!! :roll: Mike's been in rehab 2x and that's what we know about. I think it's cool that people under the pressure to party and also be creative in a state that they never have can overcome that.
Obviously I dig PJ's music, but Metallica has put out plenty of quality music out. Death Magnetic and St Anger aren't as good as their other stuff, but BS doesn't even sniff PJ's previous output.
I've never heard about any members of Pearl Jam going out and shooting innocent, defenseless animals for fun. James Hetfield on the other hand.......apparently will shoot anything that fucking moves.
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I've never heard about any members of Pearl Jam going out and shooting innocent, defenseless animals for fun. James Hetfield on the other hand.......apparently will shoot anything that fucking moves.
Didn't PJ just sell their music (DTE) to a nature show where what you just described happens every episode?
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and that is simply your opinion regarding my opinion. don't like it?? guess you must be a metallica fan?
I wanna race..with the sundown..I want a last breath..I don't let out...
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00 - Montreal
03 - Toronto, Montreal
04 - Boston (Show #1)
05 - Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
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09 - Toronto, Philly (Show #3-4)
10 - Cleveland
11 - Montreal, Toronto (x2), Ottawa
13 - London (ON), Philly (x2)
16 - QC - Ottawa
No it's foolish because Metallica has at least twice as many fans worldwide as PJ does and I'm sure a good portion of them are as obsessed with Metallica as people around here are obsessed with Pearl Jam
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Pearl Jam's last album wasn't shit.
Reason number 2
Pearl Jam's second to last album wasn't shit.
Reason number 3
Pearl Jam's third to last album...wasn't shit..
And so on and so forth until you probably get to Master of Puppets.
I like Pearl jam alot more, and I Just connect with their music more. That being said, Metallica is a Great band as well, and do put on a great live show.
They have started doing what PJ does and sell mp3's of their shows online. Yes, PJ has always done it freely, But Metallica Fans can enjoy the mp3's of their shows now.
I do think that is cool though that Metallica does Meet and greets. That is cool . Just curious what's the price/ process of getting those?
regarding the napster thing- these is hilarious:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miIIgxXiyU8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q0Z3gBActg
EV Solo: 7/11/11 11/12/12 11/13/12
Metallica "borrows" Pearl Jam music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt9Zpu98wqA
Pearl Jam brings the fire to shows with their music, Metallica brings it with pyrotechnics that incinerate the lead singer.
Vedder has shown more balls climbing dangerous shit and leaping from it than Hetfield has ever risked in anything.
Vedder's vocal capabilities are about 1000 times that of Hetfield's.
Pearl Jam likes one another without counselors being involved.
Vedder doesn't sound absolutely juvenile when addressing the audience and doesn't speak to the audience in third person.
Pearl Jam doesn't need to tell the city currently being played in 10,000 times that they love that city. I can't tell you how many times I heard, "Metallica loves you, Denver!"
Pearl Jam has never used trash can lids as percussion instruments like it sounds like Ulrich did on St. Anger.
Now having said all that, I enjoy music and shows from both of them.
IMO....Death Magnetic blows Backspacer, Avocado, Riot Act and Binaural out of the water. And I liked Backspacer. Load does the same although I can't say the same about Reload.
Me too...both amazing bands.
Lars decided to be the face of the Napster fight and he paid dearly for it. He came across as a pretentious prick and as a result, the band suffered a lot of backlash and lost fans. I completely agree he went about it the wrong way but to those who think they are assholes for fighting Napster, do you think it's cool for me to download LOXL for free or any other album tracks? They stood up for what they believed in....how does that differ from fighting Ticketmaster (and essentially caving in and using them almost exclusively)?
The meet and greets go to 30 random fan club members at each show. You have to be a member but you don't have to pay to meet them.
EV Solo: 7/11/11 11/12/12 11/13/12
8/7/08, 6/9/09
2nd to PJ for my favorite band.
James Hetfield is amazing. He knelt down in front of me and Gave me the horns when I was on the rail at Nassau.
Seen them 5 times, and never disappointed me once. Load is a magical album... so much love for MET \m/
They tour, and tour, and tour some more. Great fan club, and great times.
Hopethatyouchoke knows what im saying dontcha?
I was on the rail for this great show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmmP7uUqS_w
And LOL at the guy saying PJ gives the fans better choice of seating.... the same year I joined Metclub I was on the rail at Nassau above, the next show two days later I was on the floor, the show after that I wanted seats I was the first few rows off the floor.
So... yeah. In Madness we dwelllll.
2010 - Newark 5/18 MSG 5/21
2011 - PJ20 9/3-9/4
2012 - MIA Festival 9/2
2013 - Wrigley Field 7/19 Brooklyn 10/18-10/19 Philly 10/22
2015 - Colbert show - 9/23 Global Citizens Festival 9/26
2016 - Philly 4/28-4/29 MSG 5/1-5/2
Nap-Ster
^ This...
2. Better sound.
4. Better music.
5. Better feelings.
6. Better mentors.
7. Better outlook.
8. Better communication.
9. Better dress.
10. Better Fan Base.
But yeah, you can't compare bands really. Especially these two. It's amazing how wrong some PJ fans are in their assessment of Metallica, as I'm sure some of their fans would be of PJ as well.
Agreed. These two bands have nothing in common other than the fact that they have made music for a long time, are committed to it and will continue for a long time.
And Metallica is awesome.
BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
OKC-11/16/13
SEA-12/6/13
TUL-10/8/14
what ? out of the 2 bands would you put on?
That's my 11th reason.
I don't see how you can fault Metallica for taking years off between touring. They come back around and tour relentlessly. And it's much better than the touring program that PJ has signed up for.
As others have said....Metallica fighting Napster was very much in the same vein as PJ fighting Ticketmaster, except now Metallica isn't selling their albums solely through Napster.
They're jerks?? Judging from the number of people that have met them and said otherwise that's easily disputable. They really seem like anything but that in interviews. I think Lars likes to play the rockstar, but he doesn't take it too seriously.
Seriously people hating on James for the rehab....That's just ridiculous. A dude in a metal band(once called Alcoholica) hittin rehab so he could remember raising his kids. Man, what a fuckin dick!!! :roll: Mike's been in rehab 2x and that's what we know about. I think it's cool that people under the pressure to party and also be creative in a state that they never have can overcome that.
Obviously I dig PJ's music, but Metallica has put out plenty of quality music out. Death Magnetic and St Anger aren't as good as their other stuff, but BS doesn't even sniff PJ's previous output.
...uh actually Jack Irons did have a trash can lid cymbal in his kit. Thankfully it wasn't his only choice.
I got cash that says it's not. Unlike this thread, this is something we can compare. :twisted:
http://www.myspace.com/christianjame (Music Page)
Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/19598996 (Personal Page)
Didn't PJ just sell their music (DTE) to a nature show where what you just described happens every episode?
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Pearl Jam
Riot Act
Binaural
Yield
No Code
Vitalogy
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Ten
....not necessarily in that order