10 reasons PJ is Better than Metallica

Jeremys Spoken

vant0037 wrote:

Pearl Jam never wrote the lyric "Give me fuel, give me fire, give me that which I desire..."

Yuuuuuuck.

You're right....

Tickle my nausea.

vant0037

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

The bias here is fucking ridiculous.

Yeah but I think that's the point. The guy's writing a piece for some newsletter counter to a "10 Reasons Metallica Is Better than PJ" piece. Kind of a point-counterpoint thing. I think its all a big joke and there's really no reason for Metallica fans to get upset...

Jeremys Spoken

vant0037 wrote:

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

The bias here is fucking ridiculous.

Yeah but I think that's the point. The guy's writing a piece for some newsletter counter to a "10 Reasons Metallica Is Better than PJ" piece. Kind of a point-counterpoint thing. I think its all a big joke and there's really no reason for Metallica fans to get upset...

So why is he writing that dumb article?


Metal vs. Classic Rock and Roll

surforia

hopethatuchoke wrote:

surforia wrote:

Just b/c no one got sued doesn't mean they couldn't have been (easily) sued or had criminal charges filed against them. The fact remains that Lars knowingly subjected his fans to civil and criminal liability. PJ realized that their stance against TM actually hurt their fans, so they relented and toured with Ticketmaster... they needed to Yield to get back on the road (hence album cover). A more analagous comparison would actually be the exact opposite - ie - if Metallica went against what they believed in and didn't fight Napster (like PJ going against what they believed in and toured with TM) to benefit their fans in the end.

Much like here, don't you think their actual fans already owned the albums and weren't downloading them? PJ, Metallica and Radiohead are just about the only albums I will still buy because I am a huge fan of them. I have ZERO doubt that is Ed or Stone did what Lars did, you would think it was the best and most noble thing ever. And what band member told you the Yield cover was related to Ticketmaster and getting back on the road That's a great one. Never heard that before. That explains everything! Now I totally get the high service charges and ticket prices.

And for the record, in order to circumvent the high service charges you ARE in fact allowed to lower the price of your own tickets to offset the charges. Not sure if they got that memo.

1. Lots of actual fans illegally download just to hear albums early when they leak and then they buy it later once its out.

2. Doesn't matter what you think I would find noble in a hypothetical scenario about Ed and Stone throwing their fans under the bus like Lars, b/c it didn't happen.

3. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the Yield cover.

4. Yes, PJ can and should lower their ticket prices, and I agree that they are outrageous right now.

vant0037

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

So why is he writing that dumb article?


Metal vs. Classic Rock and Roll

Because its for some company newsletter. I'm sure the pro-Metallica article is probably very biased as well. I think it is being written as kind of a fun thing. Its obviously opinion-based anyway, so what's the point in getting mad about it? Its not like he could objectively prove why one band is better than another. As Kip Dynamite said, "Napoleon, like anyone could even know that..."

lostrocker815

I love them both the same

BALLBOY

PJ are not rock stars just normal people who rock! Sorry it is only 1 but the most important of them all.

Dedvw

vant0037 wrote:

Jeremys Spoken wrote:

So why is he writing that dumb article?


Metal vs. Classic Rock and Roll

Because its for some company newsletter. I'm sure the pro-Metallica article is probably very biased as well. I think it is being written as kind of a fun thing. Its obviously opinion-based anyway, so what's the point in getting mad about it? Its not like he could objectively prove why one band is better than another. As Kip Dynamite said, "Napoleon, like anyone could even know that..."

Thank you. I personally like both bands. This article is supposed to be fun/ not serious. Sometimes its OK to let loose/ get stupid at work. I'm not going to get upset every time someone craps on PJ. Is it a dumb article? ABSOLUTELY, thats the point!

Oceans 98

So basically you are saying when it comes to giving fanclub members best seats at shows, in which Pearl Jam have been doing since as long as I can remember, Metallica, like many other bands followed Pearl jam's direction... i can live with that.

Ive seen Metallica twice and I must say Pearl jam ARE better live.

When it comes to my comment about how many albums they have released, I was basing it on how well reviewed each band is when it comes to albums. From when I read, Metallica and Pearl jam are equal in this department, with Pearl jam releasing more albums in a shorter amount of time. Pearl Jam have also never laid an egg like St. Anger.

Metallica might have a handful of good ballads, but Pearl jam have MANY, and some fairweathers only know PJ for their ballads.

With the way PJ tours, a fan could see them at least once a year, Metallica you have to wait... BUT for some fans you can see Metallica closer to home... I can live with this.

I would never call the Daves and Jack Irons core members of PJ... but James and Lars are probably THE core members of Metallica... I can agree here.

When I said "Metallilca makes music people want to hear" it seems it became apparent with St. Anger, it was a failed rebound from the Load sessions, when many of the core fans wanted a pre "Black" album... However, Death Magnetic... hit right on the mark.

My "self absorbed assholes" comment came from what I saw during "Some kind of Monster," i wasn't a fan of the "Load" albums so my Metallica fandom was slipping at this point, then seeing how they acted during this movie was a complete turn-off, and how Lars acted with the whole Napster thing.

Didn't mean to piss anyone off, just an opinion. If its any vindication I cranked Death Magnetic in my car today, its a good album.

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hopethatuchoke wrote:

Neuge wrote:

Ive had this argument with my metal head friends on many occasions.

-Pearl Jam are better to their fans, giving fan club dibs on best seats at shows.
False. Not only does Metallica reserve all the best seats, you can pick your seats via-a ticketmaster presale. They also allow members in the building first

-Pearl Jam condones a majority of online music trading unlike Metallica who did all they could to take down Napster.
The Napster thing was 12 years ago and was a result of them being technologically naive and a bit cocky. A song they were working on (I Disappear) was uploaded to Napster which is what set them off. They absolutely went about it the wrong way but keep in mind, the band actually had a tapers section at all of their shows for years and long before PJ. They encouraged people to bootleg and trade their shows. Now, they stream the most recent concert for free in their app and they have free shows available from their vault.

-Pearl jam are more diverse, they can write as many good ballads as heavy rock songs.
Eh...not necessarily. See Mama Said, Hero of the Day, Fade to Black, Unforgiven. I would say Pearl Jam is more willing to do this but not better at it

-Pearl Jam are MUCH better live... Metallica live sounds like you popped in a CD with the same guitar solo's, harmonies, etc. However, Pearl Jam live, every track sounds different every show, never had the same set-list twice, and they play MANY more songs at a show compared to Metallica.
I respectfully disagree 100%

-Metallica has released nine albums in 29 years, Pearl jam has released nine albums in 19 years... more critically acclaimed music in less time.
LOL. What?

-Pearl Jam tours almost every year. Metallica always takes a couple years off after a tour.
True but Pearl Jam plays so few shows when they tour. Metallica goes all over the world

-Pearl Jam have never self imploded and lost any core members. Metallica, present day have only Lars and James left as original members.
Dave Krussen, Dave A., Jack Irons?

-Pearl Jam make the music they want to make, Metallica makes music they think people want to hear.
Complete rubbish

-For a mere 10 bucks, you can download almost any show pearl jam has played and through some private fan sites any show before '08 are free (gremmie.net).
Same for Metallica

-Last but most importantly, Pearl Jam aren't self absorbed assholes.
I think this is the only comment that pissed me off. Do me a favor....go to http://www.metontour.com and watch some videos. Watch them interact at every show with fans backstage and watch them take setlist requests. Enjoy a 10-15 minute video from every single show they play, for free for the fans. Then sign up for the Metclub and see how well they treat you compared to other fan clubs. Also notice that ticket prices have been the same since 2004. I have no doubt they were once self-absorbed assholes but they are far from it anymore.

12345AGNST1

evenflow wrote:

12345AGNST1 wrote:

/teen car tough guy that doesnt own an M3.

Whadda mean? I've owned every M3 that would punch off with me. Also a modded M5 and a buddy with an CLK63 AMG Black.

"Yeah it's stock. All 427 c.i.'s"

And I wish I was still in my teens, 'cus if I knew then what I know now...

I was joking about owning an M3 and I was making fun of car tough guys. I own the car in my avatar.

At first I thought you meant you've owned every generation M3. then I realize you meant "beat". What vette? C5, C6? My uncles had a bunch and my cousins are all muscle car guys, so i've heard enough talk about 'merican muscle that I can take in my life.

I'd really like an E30 or E46 M3.

Cheo Ramirez

stone gossard`s duck dance

Dark Energy

One Reason--

PJ never released an album with the possibly the worst lyrics of any album ever written (St. Anger).

And I love Metallica. But St. Anger was just inexcuseable. Why they thought that Lars should write some lyrics after all this time is beyond me. Maybe their therapist thought it would be a good idea. :?

Tboz51

I've never been a Metallica fan. It seems they started roots with one form of music and slowly found the sound that paid.

Aerosmith is a good example of Metallica. Aerosmith hasn't wrote a song that wasn't a ballad to a 13 year old girl in 20 years.

PJ makes it a point to embrace their fans. They read this message board (see setlist of MSG2).
They have made albums that at the time the hardest of core fans are like..."what?". Only to realize 10 years later, hey they just grew. I didn't grow till now.

They write music about their lives and fights.

I love PJ because they really love me (see every concert they do).

Ty

lina319 wrote:

4-The Ten C

MetClub is pretty darn good which rivals if not exceeds TenClub.

I love both, am a member of both, and you get what you pay for. TenClub is definately closing in, especially with the new memberships... but MetClub does have a Meet & Greet raffle for every show.

Alive_and_Evolving

Let me preface what i'm gonna say with this. I think everything black album and before was really good. And i'm by no means a metal head but they managed what few metal bands can do which is cross the border into my music tastes. That being said i think PJ is by far a better band in my opinion of course (art is objective as you know) some of the things i think pearl jam does better than metallica are the following.
1. Create a wide and diverse discography in which no one album sounds like any other one they've ever released.
2. Amazing lyrics. i sincerely believe Ed (and other members) write some of the most interesting and honest lyrics i've ever heard.
3. I feel like the band is full of genuinely sweet and awesome dudes. something about the guys being genuine makes me feel like what theyre performing is from the heart and helps me connect more.
4. I think that a lot of people say i love all of pj's albums are awesome because i'm obsessed but i think i'm obsessed because pearl jam's albums are amazing. I've never felt that way towards any other band ever.
5. I feel like the point of each of pj's concerts is to connect to the fans. even if i get shit seats i feel like eds trying to get everyone to have a blast. and i've never seen metallica live but from what i've seen on youtube they seem more obsessed with this rockstar persona thing which i dont dig.

if i thought about it longer i probably could think of more but this is what came to mind immediately. Plus i really have no issue against metalicca just def not my fave band

Stardog3..

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Karley

surforia wrote:

... throwing their fans under the bus like Lars...

I have never heard that expression, but you have to agree, that it doesn't resonate well with Metallicas past... :geek:

my choice for your company letter:

"Death Magnetic only sounds good on Lars Ulrichs car stereo"

(I actually think that's a hilarious thing to say! You know, with all that bashing how bad the album sounds compared to the Guitar Hero downloads and he just goes "it sounds good on my car stero"...lol)

i_lov_it

jubilairesjl wrote:

Our lead singer has not gone through rehab.

Our drummer is not a prima donna.

Your *SPOT-ON* with the Latter!...

Bigairbrucey

EddieMcCready wrote:

#1 Reason - Pearl Jam didnt sellout like Metallica :!: :!:

...and Lars is a prick.

Thats enough.

Raiden

Suave.27 wrote:

Doesn't what band is better just come down to personal preference and opinion? As in- I like PJs music more, therefore they are better than Metallica. And I like PJ live because Metallica live does nothing for me. And I like the guys from PJ more, because from my perspective, Metallica is a bunch of d-bags.

How can one argue pure preference and opinion? That kind of seems to be the point of the 10 Reasons PJ is Better Than Metallica vs. 10 Reasons Metallica is better than Pearl Jam.

The only reason I even comment, is it seems people cannot share their opinion without being completely shit on.

I agree with what you have said. As I mentioned in previous posts, they are my 2 fave bands and I really can't say I like one more than the other. However, when I see people bagging Metallica with comments that are not true, ie. commom public misconceptions about Metallica which people hear through media/friends, then I will defend them.