10 reasons PJ is Better than Metallica

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  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    Matt Cammeron > Lars Uldick

    Enough said.
  • 12345AGNST1
    12345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    evenflow wrote:

    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    My M3 is faster than your vette

    I got cash that says it's not. Unlike this thread, this is something we can compare. :twisted:

    Until you take a turn.


    /teen car tough guy that doesnt own an M3. :lol:
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  • Elusive
    Elusive Posts: 203
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    Elusive wrote:
    I've never heard about any members of Pearl Jam going out and shooting innocent, defenseless animals for fun. James Hetfield on the other hand.......apparently will shoot anything that fucking moves.

    Didn't PJ just sell their music (DTE) to a nature show where what you just described happens every episode?

    Not to my knowledge. Also, I think if men are shooting at things, I would definitely not call that a nature show.
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  • Dedvw
    Dedvw Posts: 246
    aspoonfulweighsaton wrote:
    I would just like to know where you work that you are able to debate PJ vs Metallica in the company newsletter. :lol:

    But yeah, you can't compare bands really. Especially these two. It's amazing how wrong some PJ fans are in their assessment of Metallica, as I'm sure some of their fans would be of PJ as well.

    I work in the lab for a Biomedical company. Pretty much anything goes in our company newsletter : )
  • surforia
    surforia SoCal Posts: 352
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    red mos wrote:
    PJ is better overall, but, regarding the Napster issue? Wasn't it just Lars who instigated that whole thing with going to court and trial? I'm not complaining and trashing anyone band wise just curious. I thought their was some sort of heavy backlash towards Lars because of it, and he changed his story on the whole reason for why he took them to court. Just asking.

    I like Pearl jam alot more, and I Just connect with their music more. That being said, Metallica is a Great band as well, and do put on a great live show.

    They have started doing what PJ does and sell mp3's of their shows online. Yes, PJ has always done it freely, But Metallica Fans can enjoy the mp3's of their shows now.

    I do think that is cool though that Metallica does Meet and greets. That is cool . Just curious what's the price/ process of getting those?

    regarding the napster thing- this is hilarious:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miIIgxXiyU8

    Lars decided to be the face of the Napster fight and he paid dearly for it. He came across as a pretentious prick and as a result, the band suffered a lot of backlash and lost fans. I completely agree he went about it the wrong way but to those who think they are assholes for fighting Napster, do you think it's cool for me to download LOXL for free or any other album tracks? They stood up for what they believed in....how does that differ from fighting Ticketmaster (and essentially caving in and using them almost exclusively)?

    The meet and greets go to 30 random fan club members at each show. You have to be a member but you don't have to pay to meet them.


    The difference between PJ/Ticketmaster and Metallica/Napster is fan treatment. In PJ's case, Jeff and Stone testified before the U.S. senate to show that TM's monopoly raised prices for fans. PJ's efforts were geared toward helping its fans by reducing ticket prices. While Metallica/Lars had every right to protest Napster, Lars gave to a federal judge an entire book listing the names of his fans that illegally downloaded Metallica songs.

    Sorry, but the similarity of "sticking up for what you believe in," doesn't cut it when you rat out your fans to a federal judge.
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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    1) :shock:
    2) :shock:
    3) :shock:
    etc...
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,005
    surforia wrote:

    The difference between PJ/Ticketmaster and Metallica/Napster is fan treatment. In PJ's case, Jeff and Stone testified before the U.S. senate to show that TM's monopoly raised prices for fans. PJ's efforts were geared toward helping its fans by reducing ticket prices. While Metallica/Lars had every right to protest Napster, Lars gave to a federal judge an entire book listing the names of his fans that illegally downloaded Metallica songs.

    Sorry, but the similarity of "sticking up for what you believe in," doesn't cut it when you rat out your fans to a federal judge.

    Yeah I think Lars went a little far with the whole "We want the names of people who downloaded our music" thing. But let's face it, he was right. I bet now every musician wishes they backed him. With the exception of Pearl Jam's stuff and The Beatles' stereo boxset, I've downloaded EVERYTHING for free over the past 10 years.
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  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    surforia wrote:

    The difference between PJ/Ticketmaster and Metallica/Napster is fan treatment. In PJ's case, Jeff and Stone testified before the U.S. senate to show that TM's monopoly raised prices for fans. PJ's efforts were geared toward helping its fans by reducing ticket prices. While Metallica/Lars had every right to protest Napster, Lars gave to a federal judge an entire book listing the names of his fans that illegally downloaded Metallica songs.

    Sorry, but the similarity of "sticking up for what you believe in," doesn't cut it when you rat out your fans to a federal judge.


    He was a bit abrasive and over the top with it but you act like a lawyer showed up at the houses of every person on that list. No one was actually sued. It was all posturing. I know they have since said that many artists privately supported them. Clearly most others were too cowardly to speak out in fear of backlash, similar to the Ticketmaster situation. I was pissed off at the time but realize now why they did what they did and support it. I supported Pearl Jam as well and it's a shame they have had to back off their stance and are now not only using TM but also charging a lot more for tickets.
  • Jeremys Spoken
    Jeremys Spoken Posts: 7,578
    The bias here is fucking ridiculous.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    How dare you ...

    A pox upon you, sir!
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    Tori Amos was never in Pearl Jam

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  • surforia
    surforia SoCal Posts: 352
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    surforia wrote:

    The difference between PJ/Ticketmaster and Metallica/Napster is fan treatment. In PJ's case, Jeff and Stone testified before the U.S. senate to show that TM's monopoly raised prices for fans. PJ's efforts were geared toward helping its fans by reducing ticket prices. While Metallica/Lars had every right to protest Napster, Lars gave to a federal judge an entire book listing the names of his fans that illegally downloaded Metallica songs.

    Sorry, but the similarity of "sticking up for what you believe in," doesn't cut it when you rat out your fans to a federal judge.


    He was a bit abrasive and over the top with it but you act like a lawyer showed up at the houses of every person on that list. No one was actually sued. It was all posturing. I know they have since said that many artists privately supported them. Clearly most others were too cowardly to speak out in fear of backlash, similar to the Ticketmaster situation. I was pissed off at the time but realize now why they did what they did and support it. I supported Pearl Jam as well and it's a shame they have had to back off their stance and are now not only using TM but also charging a lot more for tickets.

    Just b/c no one got sued doesn't mean they couldn't have been (easily) sued or had criminal charges filed against them. The fact remains that Lars knowingly subjected his fans to civil and criminal liability. PJ realized that their stance against TM actually hurt their fans, so they relented and toured with Ticketmaster... they needed to Yield to get back on the road (hence album cover). A more analagous comparison would actually be the exact opposite - ie - if Metallica went against what they believed in and didn't fight Napster (like PJ going against what they believed in and toured with TM) to benefit their fans in the end.
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  • evenflow
    evenflow Posts: 401
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    /teen car tough guy that doesnt own an M3. :lol:

    Whadda mean? I've owned every M3 that would punch off with me. Also a modded M5 and a buddy with an CLK63 AMG Black. 8-)

    "Yeah it's stock. All 427 c.i.'s"

    And I wish I was still in my teens, 'cus if I knew then what I know now... ;)
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  • Jeremys Spoken
    Jeremys Spoken Posts: 7,578
    evenflow wrote:
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    /teen car tough guy that doesnt own an M3. :lol:

    Whadda mean? I've owned every M3 that would punch off with me. Also a modded M5 and a buddy with an CLK63 AMG Black. 8-)

    "Yeah it's stock. All 427 c.i.'s"

    And I wish I was still in my teens, 'cus if I knew then what I know now... ;)
    M5 is a beauty. Love the 2002 M3.
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    surforia wrote:
    Just b/c no one got sued doesn't mean they couldn't have been (easily) sued or had criminal charges filed against them. The fact remains that Lars knowingly subjected his fans to civil and criminal liability. PJ realized that their stance against TM actually hurt their fans, so they relented and toured with Ticketmaster... they needed to Yield to get back on the road (hence album cover). A more analagous comparison would actually be the exact opposite - ie - if Metallica went against what they believed in and didn't fight Napster (like PJ going against what they believed in and toured with TM) to benefit their fans in the end.

    That's pretty skewed view.

    When did it become cool to go against your beliefs?
  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    edited February 2011
    surforia wrote:
    Just b/c no one got sued doesn't mean they couldn't have been (easily) sued or had criminal charges filed against them. The fact remains that Lars knowingly subjected his fans to civil and criminal liability. PJ realized that their stance against TM actually hurt their fans, so they relented and toured with Ticketmaster... they needed to Yield to get back on the road (hence album cover). A more analagous comparison would actually be the exact opposite - ie - if Metallica went against what they believed in and didn't fight Napster (like PJ going against what they believed in and toured with TM) to benefit their fans in the end.

    Much like here, don't you think their actual fans already owned the albums and weren't downloading them? PJ, Metallica and Radiohead are just about the only albums I will still buy because I am a huge fan of them. I have ZERO doubt that is Ed or Stone did what Lars did, you would think it was the best and most noble thing ever. And what band member told you the Yield cover was related to Ticketmaster and getting back on the road :lol: That's a great one. Never heard that before. That explains everything! Now I totally get the high service charges and ticket prices.

    And for the record, in order to circumvent the high service charges you ARE in fact allowed to lower the price of your own tickets to offset the charges. Not sure if they got that memo.
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  • Diggy381
    Diggy381 Posts: 165
    I would say the very best reason that PJ is so much better than Metallica is the fact that no one from Metallica is in PJ. I actaully used to like Metallica quite a bit until I realized what a bunch of clowns they all are.

    Shame.
  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    Diggy381 wrote:
    I would say the very best reason that PJ is so much better than Metallica is the fact that no one from Metallica is in PJ. I actaully used to like Metallica quite a bit until I realized what a bunch of clowns they all are.

    Shame.

    How so?
  • Jeremys Spoken
    Jeremys Spoken Posts: 7,578
    Diggy381 wrote:
    I would say the very best reason that PJ is so much better than Metallica is the fact that no one from Metallica is in PJ. I actaully used to like Metallica quite a bit until I realized what a bunch of clowns they all are.

    Shame.
    Why because you read about a early 20 something year old band messing up hotel rooms?
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  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    I guess he would have preferred they act really weird on MTV Unplugged, unappreciative at the grammys and deliberately shunning fame and making people interviewing you extremely uncomfortable. I will say in typing that, it's crazy to see how much of a 180 Ed did in the best way possible. He wasn't much of a role model back in the day. Not that Metallica was either.
  • vant0037
    vant0037 Posts: 6,170
    Pearl Jam never wrote the lyric "Give me fuel, give me fire, give me that which I desire..."

    Yuuuuuuck.
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