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HeidiJam wrote:Please show me link of nerds trying to buy guns and being turned down. How is your post based on real life if you have nothing to base it off of?
this is not 'post a link to back up everything' forum... its for debate.
my real life experiences so far have enabled me to have the opinion that 2 geeky kids from an affluent suburb in Colorado would not have the first fucking clue where to get an array of guns to shoot their school up if it hadn't been for their 'law-abiding' parents owning and keeping them in the house... they would have simply just festered away in their own wee world probably masturbating at videos on youtube of people dressed as Warlocks or something.
that doesnt need a link... it's based on real life... just as i know i don't need a link to prove that licking a hot iron will hurt... it's common sense.oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
Its not based on real life if its never happened... You have no idea how to get a gun illegaly, so how would you know that nerdy kids would not have a clue??? You are just making shit up. You do realize that people are friends with people who know other people that can get guns for them... Its not a hard concept to realize that if people want to obtain guns illegaly they can and most likly will if their intentions are murder then suicide.dunkman wrote:HeidiJam wrote:Please show me link of nerds trying to buy guns and being turned down. How is your post based on real life if you have nothing to base it off of?
this is not 'post a link to back up everything' forum... its for debate.
my real life experiences so far have enabled me to have the opinion that 2 geeky kids from an affluent suburb in Colorado would not have the first fucking clue where to get an array of guns to shoot their school up if it hadn't been for their 'law-abiding' parents owning and keeping them in the house... they would have simply just festered away in their own wee world probably masturbating at videos on youtube of people dressed as Warlocks or something.
that doesnt need a link... it's based on real life... just as i know i don't need a link to prove that licking a hot iron will hurt... it's common sense.0 -
pandora wrote:Well you can certainly buy everything legally to make a b word.
And you can not take away someones rights because some people are stupid or crazy ...this, in the case of guns.
It is our basic right to protect ourselves and should remain so.
a basic right? a basic right should be that you can always get drinking water, or food... not own a gun based on a 300 year old law... i suppose as a new country you have to hang on to any thread of history you might have.
and whilst its legal to buy the ingredients to make a bomb... with the current threat of terrorism so high you'd be on the FBI's radar if you were to order 14 litres of calcium sulphate instead of just buying a nice new 30 round pistol.oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
pandora wrote:fife wrote:I agree that it does still boil down to the person but restricting access to thinks that have no benefit to society is a good thing. I wrote this in another place. just because people might use bombs if guns are not available doesn't mean that we should allow people to carry bombs around.
Well you can certainly buy everything legally to make a b word.
And you can not take away someones rights because some people are stupid or crazy ...this, in the case of guns.
It is our basic right to protect ourselves and should remain so.
OK enough of this, to carry a fully armed explosive around with you IS illegal, there are a number of tough laws and regualtions in place to stop this from happening, which is at polar opposites to your view on the control of guns. - a very redundant example.
Also - "And you can not take away someones rights because some people are stupid or crazy" - yes you can, it happens all the time - hospital, prison, power of attorney etc...
Fact is, according to the current system of acquiring firearms in Arizona, this guy was deemed to be a "responsible" gun owner, hind sight has proven otherwise - the horse has bolted. So my question is - who would benefit from stricter / tighter gun laws? (the answer I should hope is self evident)
Who would not benefit from tighter gun controls? Surely one side would out wiegh the other?
This guy purchased a firearm legally, that would suggest to me that there is a problem with the law.0 -
I would agree with this.HeidiJam wrote:You do realize that people are friends with people who know other people that can get guns for them... Its not a hard concept to realize that if people want to obtain guns illegaly they can and most likly will if their intentions are murder then suicide.Gimli 1993
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Yup your right the only reason people buy guns is to murder...dunkman wrote:pandora wrote:Well you can certainly buy everything legally to make a b word.
And you can not take away someones rights because some people are stupid or crazy ...this, in the case of guns.
It is our basic right to protect ourselves and should remain so.
a basic right? a basic right should be that you can always get drinking water, or food... not own a gun based on a 300 year old law... i suppose as a new country you have to hang on to any thread of history you might have.
and whilst its legal to buy the ingredients to make a bomb... with the current threat of terrorism so high you'd be on the FBI's radar if you were to order 14 litres of calcium sulphate instead of just buying a nice new 30 round pistol.0 -
HeidiJam wrote:
Its not based on real life if its never happened... You have no idea how to get a gun illegaly, so how would you know that nerdy kids would not have a clue??? You are just making shit up. You do realize that people are friends with people who know other people that can get guns for them... Its not a hard concept to realize that if people want to obtain guns illegaly they can and most likly will if their intentions are murder then suicide.dunkman wrote:HeidiJam wrote:Please show me link of nerds trying to buy guns and being turned down. How is your post based on real life if you have nothing to base it off of?
this is not 'post a link to back up everything' forum... its for debate.
my real life experiences so far have enabled me to have the opinion that 2 geeky kids from an affluent suburb in Colorado would not have the first fucking clue where to get an array of guns to shoot their school up if it hadn't been for their 'law-abiding' parents owning and keeping them in the house... they would have simply just festered away in their own wee world probably masturbating at videos on youtube of people dressed as Warlocks or something.
that doesnt need a link... it's based on real life... just as i know i don't need a link to prove that licking a hot iron will hurt... it's common sense.
take the blinkers off man... real-life is what our life experiences make it... i wouldn't know how to get a gun illegally... thats my point... handguns are so fucking rare in this country that very very very few people would know someone who knew someone that could get them a gun. thats been my whole point throughout... its very hard to get something that barely exists.oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
Paul David wrote:I would agree with this.HeidiJam wrote:You do realize that people are friends with people who know other people that can get guns for them... Its not a hard concept to realize that if people want to obtain guns illegaly they can and most likly will if their intentions are murder then suicide.
Paul.. do you really think that if those 2 kids from Columbine lived in a nice leafy suburb of say England, France or Japan where gun control is strictly regulated they would know people who knew people who could get them guns?
Criminals must have more honour in the US than they do here... If the police came knocking at a guys door here saying that "you told this 22 year old guy who has just killed 6 people including a 9 year old girl where to buy a gun illegally did you?" then the guy would shit a ton... probably tell the police where he directed the maniac shooter to go get a gun and would then hope he wasnt an accomplice to murder.oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
evil will find away...can't stop that and shouldn't try by taking others peoples rights awayfife wrote:
your also assuming that if he didn't have east access to guns he would have used something else. if as someone said that he wanted to kill as many people as possible why didn't he use a bomb? why did he choose a gun? could it be because it was very easy for him to get as compared to a bomb.0 -
let me just state for the record that as anti-gun as I am, I have no issue with someone owning a rifle if they go out and hunt, as deplorable a behaviour as I think that even is (unless they eat the meat, not just kill for trophies). I just can't agree with owning a handgun.
I recognize a person's right to own one. That is the current law, and I won't deny that.
But I also can't say I think that tighter rules, AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME, is realistic. I think we've gone too far in the other direction to make it plausible for that to be the actual solution. Making guns illegal doesn't make it any harder for criminals to get them than it does for a pot smoker to get weed. I don't know the solution, I just wish there was one.
If gun control would have worked, I think it would have had to be instituted in the early 1900's. There are just too many out there. Unless humans have a ridiculous leap in evolution and learn that violence is wrong, guns will always be around.Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
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sorry man, where there's a will there's a way.dunkman wrote:Paul David wrote:I would agree with this.HeidiJam wrote:You do realize that people are friends with people who know other people that can get guns for them... Its not a hard concept to realize that if people want to obtain guns illegaly they can and most likly will if their intentions are murder then suicide.
Paul.. do you really think that if those 2 kids from Columbine lived in a nice leafy suburb of say England, France or Japan where gun control is strictly regulated they would know people who knew people who could get them guns?
Criminals must have more honour in the US than they do here... If the police came knocking at a guys door here saying that "you told this 22 year old guy who has just killed 6 people including a 9 year old girl where to buy a gun illegally did you?" then the guy would shit a ton... probably tell the police where he directed the maniac shooter to go get a gun and would then hope he wasnt an accomplice to murder.Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 20140 -
pandora wrote:
evil will find away...can't stop that and shouldn't try by taking others peoples rights awayfife wrote:
your also assuming that if he didn't have east access to guns he would have used something else. if as someone said that he wanted to kill as many people as possible why didn't he use a bomb? why did he choose a gun? could it be because it was very easy for him to get as compared to a bomb.
it used to be a right to own a slave didnt it? it also used to be a mans right that he could beat his wife didnt it?
took them fuckers away... why not rise up against that!!!!oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
WOW I did not know someone could be this stupid an illogical...Moonpig wrote:
Fact is, according to the current system of acquiring firearms in Arizona, this guy was deemed to be a "responsible" gun owner, hind sight has proven otherwise - the horse has bolted. So my question is - who would benefit from stricter / tighter gun laws? (the answer I should hope is self evident)
Who would not benefit from tighter gun controls? Surely one side would out wiegh the other?
This guy purchased a firearm legally, that would suggest to me that there is a problem with the law.
If you take away gun from everybody and make it illegal, law abiding citizens (the majority) will not have guns for fear of breaking the law. Now criminals will get all the guns (blackmarket) and make it much easier for them to commit crimes especially breaking into houses/violent crimes, because they will know that most everybody will not have a gun to protect them selves. How many people will fight back with a gun to their head???0 -
Paul David wrote:sorry man, where there's a will there's a way.
i disagree but then you are from Canada.. guns are just below you
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
HeidiJam wrote:
WOW I did not know someone could be this stupid an illogical...Moonpig wrote:
Fact is, according to the current system of acquiring firearms in Arizona, this guy was deemed to be a "responsible" gun owner, hind sight has proven otherwise - the horse has bolted. So my question is - who would benefit from stricter / tighter gun laws? (the answer I should hope is self evident)
Who would not benefit from tighter gun controls? Surely one side would out wiegh the other?
This guy purchased a firearm legally, that would suggest to me that there is a problem with the law.
If you take away gun from everybody and make it illegal, law abiding citizens (the majority) will not have guns for fear of breaking the law. Now criminals will get all the guns (blackmarket) and make it much easier for them to commit crimes especially breaking into houses/violent crimes, because they will know that most everybody will not have a gun to protect them selves. How many people will fight back with a gun to their head???
How long after tighter gun laws would you predict that this happens - a day? a week? (try answer without the insults, it negates the point you are trying to make by making you look infantile)0 -
I meant and I think you knew I meant you can't take away the rights of the sane to have guns because someone insane used one for evil purposes...your examples you gave were for the mentally impaired or those that gave up their rights for whatever reason, not on topic.Moonpig wrote:pandora wrote:fife wrote:I agree that it does still boil down to the person but restricting access to thinks that have no benefit to society is a good thing. I wrote this in another place. just because people might use bombs if guns are not available doesn't mean that we should allow people to carry bombs around.
Well you can certainly buy everything legally to make a b word.
And you can not take away someones rights because some people are stupid or crazy ...this, in the case of guns.
It is our basic right to protect ourselves and should remain so.
OK enough of this, to carry a fully armed explosive around with you IS illegal, there are a number of tough laws and regualtions in place to stop this from happening, which is at polar opposites to your view on the control of guns. - a very redundant example.
Also - "And you can not take away someones rights because some people are stupid or crazy" - yes you can, it happens all the time - hospital, prison, power of attorney etc...
Fact is, according to the current system of acquiring firearms in Arizona, this guy was deemed to be a "responsible" gun owner, hind sight has proven otherwise - the horse has bolted. So my question is - who would benefit from stricter / tighter gun laws? (the answer I should hope is self evident)
Who would not benefit from tighter gun controls? Surely one side would out wiegh the other?
This guy purchased a firearm legally, that would suggest to me that there is a problem with the law.
Tighter gun laws are unnecessary because the only people following the law are the sane and law abiding. If this kid couldn't get a gun legally damn straight he would have found one another way or planned something even more devastating. You can not stop evil/hate by taking away a means for evil/hate. It prevails.0 -
HeidiJam wrote:
WOW I did not know someone could be this stupid an illogical...Moonpig wrote:
Fact is, according to the current system of acquiring firearms in Arizona, this guy was deemed to be a "responsible" gun owner, hind sight has proven otherwise - the horse has bolted. So my question is - who would benefit from stricter / tighter gun laws? (the answer I should hope is self evident)
Who would not benefit from tighter gun controls? Surely one side would out wiegh the other?
This guy purchased a firearm legally, that would suggest to me that there is a problem with the law.
If you take away gun from everybody and make it illegal, law abiding citizens (the majority) will not have guns for fear of breaking the law. Now criminals will get all the guns (blackmarket) and make it much easier for them to commit crimes especially breaking into houses/violent crimes, because they will know that most everybody will not have a gun to protect them selves. How many people will fight back with a gun to their head???
but alas, it still comes down to fear... fear of a criminal... and i believe your beloved 'right' was for guns to be held in order to form a militia NOT to shoot a guy entering your home for your X-Box.oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
Point is guns will always be available. Are you wanting all the gun companies to quit making guns, Thats alot of people losing their jobs. If you make owning a gun illegal it will only affect LAW ABIDING CITIZENS... How hard is that to understand. Criminal don't care what is illegal. You can't just erase guns from the world.Moonpig wrote:HeidiJam wrote:
WOW I did not know someone could be this stupid an illogical...Moonpig wrote:
Fact is, according to the current system of acquiring firearms in Arizona, this guy was deemed to be a "responsible" gun owner, hind sight has proven otherwise - the horse has bolted. So my question is - who would benefit from stricter / tighter gun laws? (the answer I should hope is self evident)
Who would not benefit from tighter gun controls? Surely one side would out wiegh the other?
This guy purchased a firearm legally, that would suggest to me that there is a problem with the law.
If you take away gun from everybody and make it illegal, law abiding citizens (the majority) will not have guns for fear of breaking the law. Now criminals will get all the guns (blackmarket) and make it much easier for them to commit crimes especially breaking into houses/violent crimes, because they will know that most everybody will not have a gun to protect them selves. How many people will fight back with a gun to their head???
How long after tighter gun laws would you predict that this happens - a day? a week? (try answer without the insults, it negates the point you are trying to make by making you look infantile)
What is your plan, how do you go about getting rid of all the guns???0 -
[/quote]I meant and I think you knew I meant you can't take away the rights of the sane to have guns because someone insane used one for evil purposes...your examples you gave were for the mentally impaired or those that gave up their rights for whatever reason, not on topic.
Tighter gun laws are unnecessary because the only people following the law are the sane and law abiding. If this kid couldn't get a gun legally damn straight he would have found one another way or planned something even more devastating. You can not stop evil/hate by taking away a means for evil/hate. It prevails.[/quote]
But he did get it legally - what does that suggest about the current legislation on purchasing a firearm?0 -
some of the same people that would do away with guns are the same people that want to legalize drugs,
I can tell you that Drugs and guns are just about one in the same when we talk about death caused by drugs and crimes committed for drugs with guns or even with out guns.
a person can be responsible with a gun but you can't say the same about drugs in general.
everybody wants issues to be resolved in their own way with their own idea of how it should be done but they fail to see the big picture,meaning violence across the board or the end result of their ideas and opinions, there is no common ground for most people they believe that their idea is the only creditable solution, if you want a perfect world or country for that matter all these things need to be taken into consideration along with a persons rights..that 300 year old piece of paper signed by the forefathers of our country. :shock:
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