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The Jeagler wrote:hard to believe 3 of those guys are gone...
That team was cursed.
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crazypjfan wrote:I don't know how you say that Reid is right there with Tomlin, Payton, Coughlin or Shanahan. All those guys have Super Bowl wins, regardless of their current status(Shanahan).
I think he is way better than Fisher, though. What the hell has that guy done?
because I'm not sure how winning one extra game one time makes you automatically better. Situations are different for every coach and organization (see Tomlin being apart of one of the best organizations when hired and Reid being at one of the worst when he was hired). Coughlin and Shanahan have had average or slightly better than average careers other than 1 or 2 years. Shanahan walked into a situation with a Hall of Fame QB and won but has done absolutely nothing otherwise. Peyton and Tomlin still too young to evaluate although I do think both are top level coaches and will be around a long time. and call me crazy but i believe Reid is going to win one eventually because he is too good of a coach not to have things go his way one year one time at least, but that's just my opinion.0 -
pjhawks wrote:
because I'm not sure how winning one extra game one time makes you automatically better. Situations are different for every coach and organization (see Tomlin being apart of one of the best organizations when hired and Reid being at one of the worst when he was hired). Coughlin and Shanahan have had average or slightly better than average careers other than 1 or 2 years. Shanahan walked into a situation with a Hall of Fame QB and won but has done absolutely nothing otherwise. Peyton and Tomlin still too young to evaluate although I do think both are top level coaches and will be around a long time. and call me crazy but i believe Reid is going to win one eventually because he is too good of a coach not to have things go his way one year one time at least, but that's just my opinion.
fixer compared him to marv levy and dan reeves yesterday. decent comparison until you consider those two are a combined 8-0 in championship games and reid is 1-4.
he's a good coach dude. let's leave it at that until he, hopefully, gets over the hump.www.myspace.com0 -
Andy Reid is a good coach very very very far away from a great one. This is a huge game for us since splitting with wash is what was expected. The Ind game was huge for us and when we beat wash i see a great game against the giants coming. I have to admit that Vick wasn't my favorite but with the way he's playing signing him to an extension might have to happen sooner the later. Jackson is a flat out beast when healthy and vicks legs make him even better,these two together are gonna lite up the league. If we could get Celek going underneath then this off could almost be unstoppable.
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The Jeagler wrote:
fixer compared him to marv levy and dan reeves yesterday. decent comparison until you consider those two are a combined 8-0 in championship games and reid is 1-4.
he's a good coach dude. let's leave it at that until he, hopefully, gets over the hump.
reid had to play those title games with mcnabb at qb though. he was fighting with 1 hand tied behind his back.
that problem has been resolved. now we'll see what happens0 -
The Fixer wrote:
reid had to play those title games with mcnabb at qb though. he was fighting with 1 hand tied behind his back.
that problem has been resolved. now we'll see what happens
the great one's do not need excuses my friend. reid could not win with the greates qb in franchise history, whom he handpicked. we'll see if he can win with someone else. time will tell.
i will also add that dan reeves won one of those championship games with chris chandler as his qb.
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The Jeagler wrote:the great one's do not need excuses my friend. reid could not win with the greates qb in franchise history, whom he handpicked. we'll see if he can win with someone else. time will tell.
i will also add that dan reeves won one of those championship games with chris chandler as his qb.
we'll see what happens.
wait Jaegs i thought you had to win a Super Bowl to be a great coach? Now your criteria is multiple conference championships? You are wavering on your criteria on a daily basis. See this is the problem with trying to define greatness by numbers and stats (a la Fixer and OPS and WAR for baseball) . It doesn't work. Greatness should be seen not read on a statistical chart. It's like the old saying about pornography - i can't necessarily define it but i know it when i see it.0 -
pjhawks wrote:
wait Jaegs i thought you had to win a Super Bowl to be a great coach? Now your criteria is multiple conference championships? You are wavering on your criteria on a daily basis. See this is the problem with trying to define greatness by numbers and stats (a la Fixer and OPS and WAR) . It doesn't work. Greatness should be seen not read on a statistical chart.
haha, you beat me to it. I love how he says coaches need to win a SB to be considered great, but QBs don't.
he's a blind mcnabb loyalist. not sure why
just bustin your balls jeags. really don't get your love for mcnabb though0 -
pjhawks wrote:
wait Jaegs i thought you had to win a Super Bowl to be a great coach? Now your criteria is multiple conference championships? You are wavering on your criteria on a daily basis. See this is the problem with trying to define greatness by numbers and stats (a la Fixer and OPS and WAR for baseball) . It doesn't work. Greatness should be seen not read on a statistical chart. It's like the old saying about pornography - i can't necessarily define it but i know it when i see it.
Also, I never said OPS and WAR define greatness. They just give the most accurate view of a player's all around performance on the field. this explains why ryan howard's WAR this year was equal to an average MLB player...though he sure looked below average vs the reds and giants. luckily he is signed for 7 more seasons at 25 mill per. ah, serenity now0 -
pjhawks wrote:
wait Jaegs i thought you had to win a Super Bowl to be a great coach? Now your criteria is multiple conference championships? You are wavering on your criteria on a daily basis. See this is the problem with trying to define greatness by numbers and stats (a la Fixer and OPS and WAR for baseball) . It doesn't work. Greatness should be seen not read on a statistical chart. It's like the old saying about pornography - i can't necessarily define it but i know it when i see it.
no. i did not say levy and reeves were great. fixer did. and i think you did too.
all i said was you could maybe make an argument for levy, and perhaps reeves. then i said it would be difficult to include reid in that same argument because he's only won one conference championship and those guys each were 4-0.
and i don't believe wins and losses is the same criteria as sabermetrics.
my criteria is, and has always been the same.
good. not great. hopefully that changes.
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The Fixer wrote:
haha, you beat me to it. I love how he says coaches need to win a SB to be considered great, but QBs don't.
he's a blind mcnabb loyalist. not sure why
just bustin your balls jeags. really don't get your love for mcnabb though
if you're referring to mcnabb, you're wrong again. he's a good quarterback. not great. good. never called him great...
consistency, my friend. when you think of the jeagler, think consistency.www.myspace.com0 -
The Jeagler wrote:
if you're referring to mcnabb, you're wrong again. he's a good quarterback. not great. good. never called him great...
consistency, my friend. when you think of the jeagler, think consistency.
either way, a coach or player can be great without ever winning a SB. marino, reid, moon, etc.0 -
The Fixer wrote:
either way, a coach or player can be great without ever winning a SB. marino, reid, moon, etc.
as we've discovered here it is a lot easier to name great players who not won a championship. but it is pretty damn hard to name a great coach who has not won one.www.myspace.com0 -
The Jeagler wrote:
as we've discovered here it is a lot easier to name great players who not won a championship. but it is pretty damn hard to name a great coach who has not won one.
I'd agree with that. luckily for us, we have one of those great coaches in philadelphia right now!!0 -
The Fixer wrote:
I'd agree with that. luckily for us, we have one of those great coaches in philadelphia right now!!
gee, you'd think a great coach wouldn't be making the same clock management blunders 12 years into his career...but okay--if you say so! apparently the greatness bar has been lowered
seriously--i don't see why you guys have such a problem with someone calling reid a good coach. boggles my mind. anyway. big game on monday. GO BIRDS!www.myspace.com0 -
The Jeagler wrote:
gee, you'd think a great coach wouldn't be making the same clock management blunders 12 years into his career...but okay--if you say so! apparently the greatness bar has been lowered
seriously--i don't see why you guys have such a problem with someone calling reid a good coach. boggles my mind. anyway. big game on monday. GO BIRDS!
I'd be curious to see how many points the eagles have scored in 2 minute offense situations this year. THen compare this year to previous years. As Shanahan has pointed out, mcnabb can't run a 2 minute drill to save his life (peter king backed this up in his column last week...mcnabb has scored 3 points in 4 games when his team had the ball in the 4th qtr with 2 mins left, and were tied or losing...he's just inept when the pressure is on him). kolb and garcia have both shown the abiltity to do so in reid's offense (christ even AJ Feely did it better than mcnabb).
Not saying that reid is a master with clock management, but again, I think mcnabb was more of the problem than reid in terms of the 2 minute drill/clock management0 -
Andy Reid is a good coach,he's far from great. Great is a big big word when being used in that text. I will use the word great for Reid once,Andy Reid is a GREAT coach after a bye week.Go Birds!!!!0
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jamminpearls wrote:Andy Reid is a good coach,he's far from great. Great is a big big word when being used in that text. I will use the word great for Reid once,Andy Reid is a GREAT coach after a bye week.
great at making the playoffs
great at winning in first round of playoffs
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The Fixer wrote:
I'd be curious to see how many points the eagles have scored in 2 minute offense situations this year. THen compare this year to previous years. As Shanahan has pointed out, mcnabb can't run a 2 minute drill to save his life (peter king backed this up in his column last week...mcnabb has scored 3 points in 4 games when his team had the ball in the 4th qtr with 2 mins left, and were tied or losing...he's just inept when the pressure is on him). kolb and garcia have both shown the abiltity to do so in reid's offense (christ even AJ Feely did it better than mcnabb).
Not saying that reid is a master with clock management, but again, I think mcnabb was more of the problem than reid in terms of the 2 minute drill/clock management
what does that have to do with reid mismanaging timeouts? would a great coach start off the season the way he did with both qb's against green bay? would a great coach completely lose track of time in the waning minutes of the first half of that redskins game? those were two crucial, and dumb, mistakes a coach in his 12th season should not be making.
even on sunday. we used up all of our first half time outs with more than 5 minutes remaining in the half. we talked about the stupid challenge that cost him a time out in the second half also. this shit happens all the time. at least he's somewhat more committed to running the ball this year. i will give him a little credit for that. we had a 7 minute drive in the 4th quarter that didn't score any points but ate up a huge amount of clock.
he's not a great coach dude.www.myspace.com0 -
1. Thats correct if making the playoffs was the ultimate goal.The Fixer wrote:
great at making the playoffs
great at winning in first round of playoffs
best thing to ever happen to the eagles franchise
2. Same as above.
3. He is one of the better things but not the best thing. He's a damn good coach that's obvious,but he's not great YET.Post edited by jamminpearls onGo Birds!!!!0
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