***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

The Jeagler wrote:

x rays are negative. mri is tomorrow. but on the post game show they reported that manual said he'd only miss a few games.

keep your fingers crossed about the mri...

Meh. He'll just need to stay off his feet for a few days. 8-2 over the last 10. Right now I have them finishing the season with 90 wins. Hopefully that's enough.

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

x rays are negative. mri is tomorrow. but on the post game show they reported that manual said he'd only miss a few games.

keep your fingers crossed about the mri...

Meh. He'll just need to stay off his feet for a few days. 8-2 over the last 10. Right now I have them finishing the season with 90 wins. Hopefully that's enough.

gload will be fine at first. at least now they have someone that can catch the ball

this team needs to start winning some road games or they can kiss the playoffs good bye.

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

i wanted to puke on friday night. i got multiple texts from my boys are still waaaay to hung up on the cliff lee trade (i mean i am too--but its over and done with--time to move on) talking about happ throwing a shut out. my replies back mainly consisted of "yeah, we should try to rescind on the trade." DOPES.

the philly fans crying about the oswalt trade are the same people that were bitching last year when the phils got lee instead of halladay.

some people just always need something to complain about

actually the two people i am referring to were huge fans of the first lee trade at the time.

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

x rays are negative. mri is tomorrow. but on the post game show they reported that manual said he'd only miss a few games.

keep your fingers crossed about the mri...

Meh. He'll just need to stay off his feet for a few days. 8-2 over the last 10. Right now I have them finishing the season with 90 wins. Hopefully that's enough.

by my math that's 33-24 the rest of the way which should be doable.

assuming howard doesn't miss much time and with our schedule, i really think we could be in first by september 1st. but as long as we remain within striking distance (2-3 games or so) i think we'll be fine. 6 games vs atlanta in september, plus we should hopefully have 26 and shane back at some point.

lucked out on not having to face johnson this week.

kinda thought we'd skip kendrick's spot with the off day today though...

also---the more and more i see previews for The Other Guys...the more i'm thinking its gonna be hilarious. it looks like classic ferrell nonsense to me

The Jeagler wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

wow really? you can't be serious with this post saying the Phils are fine with Ross Gload over Ryan Howard because he can catch the ball. this has to be the most idiotic thing i've ever heard or read in my life. and you accuse a few of us of trying to stir this shit up. utterly moronic - ross fn gload.

the phils cannot win if howard's out a prolonged period of time. they have already proven they can win every time utley goes to the dl. but they need the big bopper in the middle of the lineup. fixer had to be just kidding.

hopefully we don't get to experience this though. fingers crossed....

I was kidding (kind of). howard has been by far their best offensive player this year. It will hurt not having him in there...even though he sucked last week.

how is werth hitting close to .300? seems like he's hitting .200. and rollins needs to pick it up.

jamminpearls wrote:

Without howard we have no shot at making the playoffs. He lights it up down the stretch,and these injuries are getting out of hand.

this isn't true. they can still get in without howard. doesn't make it easier, but it's not like the season is over. losing utley hurts a lot more than losing howard.

doesn't look like he's gonna be out long, so we don't have to worry about it.

the next few days it's let's go mets!!

it is amazing that werth is hitting close to .300 and still leads the league in doubles. he's such a streaky hitter.

fixer--i dont know how you can definitively say losing utley hurts a lot more than losing howard. utley may well be the overall better player. but that big bopper in the middle of the lineup is huge for the way we play.

and you're dealing with a known and an unknown anyway. utley's been on the dl multiple times in his career and we've gotten along fine without him. howard hasn't been on the dl since the early part of 2007.

either way--i'm with you: LET'S GO METS!

Chase is the best all around phillie,that's obvious. But It blows my mind how u just over look the offensive production howard puts up. His power numbers are so insane that they can't be considered 1 thing he does well. Either way he need to be healthy to have a chance at the playoffs period.

pjhawks wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

it is amazing that werth is hitting close to .300 and still leads the league in doubles. he's such a streaky hitter.

fixer--i dont know how you can definitively say losing utley hurts a lot more than losing howard. utley may well be the overall better player. but that big bopper in the middle of the lineup is huge for the way we play.

and you're dealing with a known and an unknown anyway. utley's been on the dl multiple times in his career and we've gotten along fine without him. howard hasn't been on the dl since the early part of 2007.

either way--i'm with you: LET'S GO METS!

utley does everything well, howard does one thing well. you can't compare the two

Howard/Utley WAR

2004 - 0.4/1.5
2005 - 2.4/6.2
2006 - 5.8/5.7
2007 - 2.6/6.6
2008 - 2.8/6.6
2009 - 4.8/7.7
2010 - 2.0/2.6

NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.

using a ridiculous stat that 99.9% of america doesn't know how is calcuated to base an argument on is pretty damn funny. Don't care what that dumbass stat says - lots of players can hit .280 to .290 and run the bases well. Love Utley but come on no one comes close to replacing Howard's power numbers in this lineup.

because most of america doesn't understand something doesn't mean it isn't useful. you're talking about a population that makes shit like American Idol and Lady Gaga popular. Most people are dumb.

Now please, stop comparing howard and utley. It's no contest.

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

it is amazing that werth is hitting close to .300 and still leads the league in doubles. he's such a streaky hitter.

fixer--i dont know how you can definitively say losing utley hurts a lot more than losing howard. utley may well be the overall better player. but that big bopper in the middle of the lineup is huge for the way we play.

and you're dealing with a known and an unknown anyway. utley's been on the dl multiple times in his career and we've gotten along fine without him. howard hasn't been on the dl since the early part of 2007.

either way--i'm with you: LET'S GO METS!

utley does everything well, howard does one thing well. you can't compare the two

Howard/Utley WAR

2004 - 0.4/1.5
2005 - 2.4/6.2
2006 - 5.8/5.7
2007 - 2.6/6.6
2008 - 2.8/6.6
2009 - 4.8/7.7
2010 - 2.0/2.6

NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.

:roll:
lol...whatever dude. i'm not comparing the two as players.

i'm saying we've got along just fine whenever utley's been on the dl, which is quite often. you don't need sabermetrics for that. you just need to look at the win/loss record.