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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Byrnzie wrote:
    mickeyrat wrote:
    render unto cesar that which is cesars. Meaning follow the law.

    That's not my interpretaion. Seems to me he's saying leave earthly pursuits to the earth while spiritual matters belong with the spritual/'God'/Jesus. It says nothing about the law.

    http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html

    Gospel of Thomas

    (100) 'They showed Jesus a gold piece and said to him: Caesar’s men demand tribute from us. He said to them: What belongs to Caesar, give to Caesar; what belongs to God, give to God; and what is mine, give it to me.'

    Ooh... another good point. I learn a lot on the MT. :D
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    scb wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    mickeyrat wrote:
    render unto cesar that which is cesars. Meaning follow the law.

    That's not my interpretaion. Seems to me he's saying leave earthly pursuits to the earth while spiritual matters belong with the spritual/'God'/Jesus. It says nothing about the law.

    http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html

    Gospel of Thomas

    (100) 'They showed Jesus a gold piece and said to him: Caesar’s men demand tribute from us. He said to them: What belongs to Caesar, give to Caesar; what belongs to God, give to God; and what is mine, give it to me.'

    Ooh... another good point. I learn a lot on the MT. :D

    do you ?

    Godfather.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    talk about flogging a dead horse. :roll:
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    yet you came back to watch said flogging. ;)
    catefrances wrote:
    talk about flogging a dead horse. :roll:
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    yet you came back to watch said flogging. ;)
    catefrances wrote:
    talk about flogging a dead horse. :roll:

    what can i say billy.. i like to watch. and this thread is itself akin to a slow slow torture. and i dont know about you but i love a little pain. ;)
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    from: http://www.learnthebible.org/would-jesus-oppose-the-death-penalty.html

    the Mosaic Law very strongly supported the death penalty and Jesus never once disobeyed the law or taught against it. He said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil” (Matthew 5:17). The law made numerous provisions for the death penalty. Jesus did not come to destroy these provisions but to fulfill them. As such, He would have supported the death penalty.

    I'm not at all saying this guy is right, I'm just pointing you in the direction you sought. I think we're all learning a bit on this subject. Maybe it deserves its own thread. We can for the Death Penalty Trilogy of threads!
    scb wrote:

    I don't know; I still tend to think they are. I'd like to see this research that supposedly shows otherwise.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but "that which is Cesar's" was not enacted in the name of Jesus. The death penalty in the United States, however, is enacted in the name of each of the citizens of the United States. I think it's the moral and Christian responsibility of the people of the U.S. to stand up and say Not in my name.
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  • _
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    Godfather. wrote:
    scb wrote:
    Ooh... another good point. I learn a lot on the MT. :D

    do you ?

    Godfather.

    I do. Don't you?
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    from: http://www.learnthebible.org/would-jesus-oppose-the-death-penalty.html

    the Mosaic Law very strongly supported the death penalty and Jesus never once disobeyed the law or taught against it. He said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil” (Matthew 5:17). The law made numerous provisions for the death penalty. Jesus did not come to destroy these provisions but to fulfill them. As such, He would have supported the death penalty.

    I'm not at all saying this guy is right, I'm just pointing you in the direction you sought. I think we're all learning a bit on this subject. Maybe it deserves its own thread. We can for the Death Penalty Trilogy of threads!
    scb wrote:

    I don't know; I still tend to think they are. I'd like to see this research that supposedly shows otherwise.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but "that which is Cesar's" was not enacted in the name of Jesus. The death penalty in the United States, however, is enacted in the name of each of the citizens of the United States. I think it's the moral and Christian responsibility of the people of the U.S. to stand up and say Not in my name.

    Thanks for the info. I'm still skeptical. ;)

    Haha! I totally thought of starting another thread about it - or about Jesus and the law in general. The Death Penalty Trilogy? :lol:
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    yeah lets give our gov't the power to kill us.




    .....this shit never happens to me.....
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited July 2010
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    from: http://www.learnthebible.org/would-jesus-oppose-the-death-penalty.html

    the Mosaic Law very strongly supported the death penalty and Jesus never once disobeyed the law or taught against it. He said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil” (Matthew 5:17). The law made numerous provisions for the death penalty. Jesus did not come to destroy these provisions but to fulfill them. As such, He would have supported the death penalty.

    I'm not at all saying this guy is right, I'm just pointing you in the direction you sought. I think we're all learning a bit on this subject. Maybe it deserves its own thread. We can for the Death Penalty Trilogy of threads!

    That's just one skewered interpretation, though it sounds like bollocks to me. The fact that he may not have made reference to any specific laws does not mean that he supported them.

    And did the Biblical Jesus really not disobey the law? I'd say the complete opposite was true.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Commy wrote:
    yeah lets give our gov't the power to kill us.




    .....this shit never happens to me.....

    we already have...it's called obama :lol:

    Godfather.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,853
    I love this new turn. I didn't think the death penalty thread would become about Jesus, but some interesting posts. Thanks.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    Godfather. wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    yeah lets give our gov't the power to kill us.




    .....this shit never happens to me.....

    we already have...it's called obama :lol:

    Godfather.
    it's actually really not that funny. commy raises a good point. i've seen inconsistencies in some peoples posts here, compared to what they say in other threads.

    so many people who support the death penalty are blind to their own logical inconsistencies. they have no problem whining and moaning about the government having control in other matters, but when government tries to assume the greatest power that that any government can claim to have, the power to murder its own citizens, they are blinded, and can't see the inconsistency of supporting the death penalty and how that contradicts their otherwise freedom principles.

    no government acting genuinely as a servant of the people should be allowed to have that kind of power.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    yeah lets give our gov't the power to kill us.




    .....this shit never happens to me.....

    we already have...it's called obama :lol:

    Godfather.
    it's actually really not that funny. commy raises a good point. i've seen inconsistencies in some peoples posts here, compared to what they say in other threads.

    so many people who support the death penalty are blind to their own logical inconsistencies. they have no problem whining and moaning about the government having control in other matters, but when government tries to assume the greatest power that that any government can claim to have, the power to murder its own citizens, they are blinded, and can't see the inconsistency of supporting the death penalty and how that contradicts their otherwise freedom principles.

    no government acting genuinely as a servant of the people should be allowed to have that kind of power.

    tricky situation cause if the government were not involved in any way there might be a lot of lynch mob Justis on the streets.

    Godfather.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    my most favorite thread ever, has turned into jesus and god and heaven and hell.
    nice job.

    where are the biblical figures moses and noah?
    would noah drown an evil preditor who was molesting and torturing children on his ship?
    throw the fucker overboard?

    moses?
    would he beat a rapist serial killer maniac with his walking stick
    and crush their head with his inscribed stone tablets?

    these question are haunting.
    i personally, will not sleep tonight.

    good luck.
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    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Chad I don't drink but if we ever hook up I'll have a few with you my friend ! :lol:

    Godfather.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Godfather. wrote:
    Chad I don't drink but if we ever hook up I'll have a few with you my friend ! :lol:

    Godfather.
    i don't drink either.
    very very rarely.

    and yes i would share a bottle of whiskey with you.
    or wine.

    sit around the campfire and get shitty.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    I think you two maybe should start drinking. that might be the problem. ;)
    chadwick wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    Chad I don't drink but if we ever hook up I'll have a few with you my friend ! :lol:

    Godfather.
    i don't drink either.
    very very rarely.

    and yes i would share a bottle of whiskey with you.
    or wine.

    sit around the campfire and get shitty.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Billy Pumpkin wrote:
    I think you two maybe should start drinking. that might be the problem. ;)
    chadwick wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    Chad I don't drink but if we ever hook up I'll have a few with you my friend ! :lol:

    Godfather.
    i don't drink either.
    very very rarely.

    and yes i would share a bottle of whiskey with you.
    or wine.

    sit around the campfire and get shitty.

    problem...nahhhhhhh :lol:

    Godfather.
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    cheers GF, whatever your poison might be.......... 8-)
    Godfather. wrote:

    problem...nahhhhhhh :lol:

    Godfather.
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