Whites Five Times Richer Than Blacks In U.S
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acoustic guy wrote:
Cant have it both ways brotha.....oh well unless you are okay with goverment handouts. :roll:Byrnzie wrote:acoustic guy wrote:WORK WILL SET YOU FREE.
Work can also kill you, or reduce you to a miserable slave-like existence.
It has nothing to do with how I - or anyone else - can have it. For a very few people work can be liberating and can free them up financially to broaden their horizons. But for the majority work is a grind that stunts their lives and chokes their potential.
It's not a case of it being one or the other. We're not talking about a sitcom world here, we're talking about the real world.0 -
Yes we are.....ARE YOU! Your in a freakin fantasy land brotha...How old are you?Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
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acoustic guy wrote:Yes we are.....ARE YOU! Your in a freakin fantasy land brotha...How old are you?
Sure, tough guy.
Anyway, do you think these women in this Asian sweat shop feel like work has set them free?
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Of course racism doesn't exist in America. Just ask any black person who survived hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.
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acoustic guy wrote:
There is nothing wrong with it....Byrnzie wrote:HeidiJam wrote:Some of you are just to blind to see this or are scared that they will be labled a racist. But minorities are GIVEN every tool to succeed today. They are given jobs they aren't qualified for and receive a schlorship simply because of skin color. Everything these day's is a skin color issue when it shouldn't be. And I am not making excuses for why they are poor. They are poor because of generation after generation of single parenting, Gov paycheck. go look the stats up. Welfare (not unemployment) needs to be abolished as it has now turned into a program to simply control the poor and keep them poorer.
There's something wrong with this post. I just can't seem to put my finger on it.
In Atlantic City in the late 90's they decided they wanted more blacks to be Firemen so they "CHANGED" the test making it more geared towards minorities. (Another words, easier) Well guess what, they still did not pass, and the ones that did did very poorly compaired to the whites trying to pass. Because of this the city tried to not hire anyone but received a load of shit for it in the news paper so they had to hire the white guys.
Bottom line is you hire the BEST person for the job PERIOD. Screw color. BEST person for the job. And when its a job where you are saving lives you DONT make the test easier or crying out loud!
Is this documented fact? It seems more likely that you've got some Fireman/Klansman pals at the dept. that bitch to you about how they're better than blacks. And would you agree that blacks make better athletes? I think you would, which is why they are often hired as the "BEST person for the job PERIOD". So why would a black person be inferior to a white person as a fireman? From what I've seen it is physically demanding similar to athletics.0 -
Is this documented fact? It seems more likely that you've got some Fireman/Klansman pals at the dept. that bitch to you about how they're better than blacks. And would you agree that blacks make better athletes? I think you would, which is why they are often hired as the "BEST person for the job PERIOD". So why would a black person be inferior to a white person as a fireman? From what I've seen it is physically demanding similar to athletics.[/quote]
Documented fact? YES... Their are three parts of the test. Physical, Mental and Written. The minorities failed the written and Mental. Obviously their is a reason for haveing three parts of the test being in a seriously mental situation. Klansman? Pleeeezz. Thats not right to say.Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.0 -
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So if your family was burning a your home, you would be okay with the guy who could not pass the real firemens test to save them? Wow....not me![/quote]
this sounds like something from fox "news"-
MAN REFUSES HELP FROM BLACK FIREMEN-
acoustic guy, a.k.a. some idiot from tenclub, refused to let firemen into his burning house to save his family. he told the first responders, after realizing they were black, to "get out of his house right now". he was heard screaming "you must not have passed the real test" right before the smoke and flames consumed him. luckily, his family, obviously not as racist as this fool, pleaded for the firemen to help. all were saved.The whole world will be different soon... - EV
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JOEJOEJOE wrote:Wealth is accumulated over generations, so it does make sense that certain racial/ethnic groups got a late start in building-up any sort of wealth.
The white man in America has historically had a head start in everything.
total BS - the Irish were unwelcomed and many would not hire Irish Immigrants yet many Irish-American's persevered and propospered. Many ethnic groups have been discriminated against and spit on and many/most have risen up against this. why have Asians prospered more than blacks in America? surely it's not all because of the white man keeping blacks down is it? surely it goes deeper than that. until black-americans learn to better respect for their own (neighborhoods, schools, people, etc.) how can they expect white-america to have the proper respect for those same things? in my opinion today's black culture holds many blacks back. would anyone disagree that a black student is more likely to achieve in a suburban educational environment vs. an inner-city environment? if you believe that, then the question is why is that? what is the dynamic that changed - surely it is not just about money. the culture of whites and asians leans way more towards educational achievement than it currently does in inner-city black environments. until that changes in the black communities how can the divide between blacks and whites ever get smaller?0 -
pjhawks wrote:why have Asians prospered more than blacks in America? surely it's not all because of the white man keeping blacks down is it?
Maybe it has something to do with a history of black slavery, segregation, and discrimination that Asian Americans weren't subjected to on the same sort of scale or with the same intensity. Though you bring up some interesting points.
I'd like to hear any black Americans on this message board give their take on this subject.0 -
Eliot Rosewater wrote:Is this documented fact? It seems more likely that you've got some Fireman/Klansman pals at the dept. that bitch to you about how they're better than blacks. And would you agree that blacks make better athletes? I think you would, which is why they are often hired as the "BEST person for the job PERIOD". So why would a black person be inferior to a white person as a fireman? From what I've seen it is physically demanding similar to athletics.
Why is it OK to argue that "blacks make better athletes", but a similar proclaimation like "whites or Asians make better businesspeople" is racist? For the record, no, I don't think blacks are athletically superior to other groups, any more than I think whites are inherently smarter. I think there are social and cultural explanations for why blacks dominate certain pro sports, just as such explanations can account for discrepancies in white collar jobs.0 -
Oh, well if it's a cultural issue and not becuase blacks are actually born with better athletic ability then they must be dominant in athletics because whites can afford playstations and xboxes so instead of actually using their bodies they are just eating donuts while playing NBA 2k10. Right?rebornFixer wrote:Eliot Rosewater wrote:Is this documented fact? It seems more likely that you've got some Fireman/Klansman pals at the dept. that bitch to you about how they're better than blacks. And would you agree that blacks make better athletes? I think you would, which is why they are often hired as the "BEST person for the job PERIOD". So why would a black person be inferior to a white person as a fireman? From what I've seen it is physically demanding similar to athletics.
Why is it OK to argue that "blacks make better athletes", but a similar proclaimation like "whites or Asians make better businesspeople" is racist? For the record, no, I don't think blacks are athletically superior to other groups, any more than I think whites are inherently smarter. I think there are social and cultural explanations for why blacks dominate certain pro sports, just as such explanations can account for discrepancies in white collar jobs.0 -
Some of you just don't get it and seem percectly fine with affirmitive action and welfare. In my area last year around the back to school time of year the gov gave handouts (Money) to people on welfare for them to get their kids back to school items (pencils, notebooks,etc.) and what did they do with the money. They went to wal-mart to buy Tv's, playstations, videogames. There is a trend in inner-city areas and education is not part of it. Look at the stats of minorities in prison and how many of them come from singe parent upbringings. People need to quit looking for excuses of how and why certin races are not making improvement. GIVING handouts does nothing but perpetuate lazyness and those people raise kids to think and live the same way. Its a pattern. I think just being a minority gets you a scholorship these days so there really is no excuse.0
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HeidiJam wrote:Some of you just don't get it and seem percectly fine with affirmitive action and welfare. In my area last year around the back to school time of year the gov gave handouts (Money) to people on welfare for them to get their kids back to school items (pencils, notebooks,etc.) and what did they do with the money. They went to wal-mart to buy Tv's, playstations, videogames. There is a trend in inner-city areas and education is not part of it. Look at the stats of minorities in prison and how many of them come from singe parent upbringings. People need to quit looking for excuses of how and why certin races are not making improvement. GIVING handouts does nothing but perpetuate lazyness and those people raise kids to think and live the same way. Its a pattern. I think just being a minority gets you a scholorship these days so there really is no excuse.
unfortunately when you take a certain tone people tune out the message regardless of how correct the comments may be. i have made the same point on the previous page regarding the culture of the inner city black communities. until that changes how can progress be made.0 -
In my mind this is sort of a chicken or egg type thing. I don't think it's as clear cut as any of us like to think. I do know that racial profiling is NOT imaginary and that does add to the stats of minorities in prison. But do I think that's the only reason so many minorites end up there? No.HeidiJam wrote:Some of you just don't get it and seem percectly fine with affirmitive action and welfare. In my area last year around the back to school time of year the gov gave handouts (Money) to people on welfare for them to get their kids back to school items (pencils, notebooks,etc.) and what did they do with the money. They went to wal-mart to buy Tv's, playstations, videogames. There is a trend in inner-city areas and education is not part of it. Look at the stats of minorities in prison and how many of them come from singe parent upbringings. People need to quit looking for excuses of how and why certin races are not making improvement. GIVING handouts does nothing but perpetuate lazyness and those people raise kids to think and live the same way. Its a pattern. I think just being a minority gets you a scholorship these days so there really is no excuse.
Like Byrnzie suggested, a history of slavery and segragation DOES affect blacks in America today.
You emphasize the word "GIVING" as if it is a bad thing. I believe that to be a very deep-rooted flaw in society and character. This world needs more giving. It would solve a whole lot of the problems many of us face throughout our lives. Let's have bigger hearts and not demonize the word "GIVING".
Also, yes, I have no problem with affirmitive action or welfare. Although they are two completely different things and I support them for very different reasons. I tend to believe that my stance on those two issues proves that I do "get it."0 -
Eliot Rosewater wrote:
In my mind this is sort of a chicken or egg type thing. I don't think it's as clear cut as any of us like to think. I do know that racial profiling is NOT imaginary and that does add to the stats of minorities in prison. But do I think that's the only reason so many minorites end up there? No.HeidiJam wrote:Some of you just don't get it and seem percectly fine with affirmitive action and welfare. In my area last year around the back to school time of year the gov gave handouts (Money) to people on welfare for them to get their kids back to school items (pencils, notebooks,etc.) and what did they do with the money. They went to wal-mart to buy Tv's, playstations, videogames. There is a trend in inner-city areas and education is not part of it. Look at the stats of minorities in prison and how many of them come from singe parent upbringings. People need to quit looking for excuses of how and why certin races are not making improvement. GIVING handouts does nothing but perpetuate lazyness and those people raise kids to think and live the same way. Its a pattern. I think just being a minority gets you a scholorship these days so there really is no excuse.
Like Byrnzie suggested, a history of slavery and segragation DOES affect blacks in America today.
You emphasize the word "GIVING" as if it is a bad thing. I believe that to be a very deep-rooted flaw in society and character. This world needs more giving. It would solve a whole lot of the problems many of us face throughout our lives. Let's have bigger hearts and not demonize the word "GIVING".
Also, yes, I have no problem with affirmitive action or welfare. Although they are two completely different things and I support them for very different reasons. I tend to believe that my stance on those two issues proves that I do "get it."
a history of slavery and segregation does affect blacks today only because they let it still affect them. No current black man or woman in America was ever a slave. Can you honestly say that a majority of blacks in America are working to rise above discrimination of the past and of today, or does the black community foster a culture that uses white america and supposed racism for their problems?0 -
Eliot Rosewater wrote:
In my mind this is sort of a chicken or egg type thing. I don't think it's as clear cut as any of us like to think. I do know that racial profiling is NOT imaginary and that does add to the stats of minorities in prison. But do I think that's the only reason so many minorites end up there? No.HeidiJam wrote:Some of you just don't get it and seem percectly fine with affirmitive action and welfare. In my area last year around the back to school time of year the gov gave handouts (Money) to people on welfare for them to get their kids back to school items (pencils, notebooks,etc.) and what did they do with the money. They went to wal-mart to buy Tv's, playstations, videogames. There is a trend in inner-city areas and education is not part of it. Look at the stats of minorities in prison and how many of them come from singe parent upbringings. People need to quit looking for excuses of how and why certin races are not making improvement. GIVING handouts does nothing but perpetuate lazyness and those people raise kids to think and live the same way. Its a pattern. I think just being a minority gets you a scholorship these days so there really is no excuse.
Like Byrnzie suggested, a history of slavery and segragation DOES affect blacks in America today.
You emphasize the word "GIVING" as if it is a bad thing. I believe that to be a very deep-rooted flaw in society and character. This world needs more giving. It would solve a whole lot of the problems many of us face throughout our lives. Let's have bigger hearts and not demonize the word "GIVING".
Also, yes, I have no problem with affirmitive action or welfare. Although they are two completely different things and I support them for very different reasons. I tend to believe that my stance on those two issues proves that I do "get it."
Profiling happens almost everytime a cop questions someone, simply profiling does not land you in jail. So the people in prision are in there for a reason. I am not sure why slavery is an issue these days, how many people are left that were once slaves? I do consider GIVING a bad thing when you do not earn it or do anything productive for society. The people that are receiving this giving are not trying to improve their life, they are trying to get a free ride bu having no responsibilities and getting what we all work for daily. They are now trying to pass an act where people on welfare can have cellphones and a plan. When will it end. Section 8 housing already get cable... things that I see as privlages are GIVEN to them as they are some pre-requsite for their lifestyle. It is sickening what I have to work for and what people are GIVEN.0 -
Eliot Rosewater wrote:
In my mind this is sort of a chicken or egg type thing. I don't think it's as clear cut as any of us like to think. I do know that racial profiling is NOT imaginary and that does add to the stats of minorities in prison. But do I think that's the only reason so many minorites end up there? No.HeidiJam wrote:Some of you just don't get it and seem percectly fine with affirmitive action and welfare. In my area last year around the back to school time of year the gov gave handouts (Money) to people on welfare for them to get their kids back to school items (pencils, notebooks,etc.) and what did they do with the money. They went to wal-mart to buy Tv's, playstations, videogames. There is a trend in inner-city areas and education is not part of it. Look at the stats of minorities in prison and how many of them come from singe parent upbringings. People need to quit looking for excuses of how and why certin races are not making improvement. GIVING handouts does nothing but perpetuate lazyness and those people raise kids to think and live the same way. Its a pattern. I think just being a minority gets you a scholorship these days so there really is no excuse.
Like Byrnzie suggested, a history of slavery and segragation DOES affect blacks in America today.
You emphasize the word "GIVING" as if it is a bad thing. I believe that to be a very deep-rooted flaw in society and character. This world needs more giving. It would solve a whole lot of the problems many of us face throughout our lives. Let's have bigger hearts and not demonize the word "GIVING".
while i agree that people should be more charitable in their everyday lives, governmental programs tend to lead to a situation where someone has little to no incentive to improve their situation. If working at McDonalds or Walmart puts you over the top and makes you ineligible for benefits why would you do it? That is the problem that needs to be changed. All you teach someone that way is to work just hard enough to stay in the same situation. Personally I think more should be spent on vocational training than providing funds. It would be better in the long run for everyone.
But as far as wealth building goes, it takes generations. But it really is more about the fact that blacks, who are in the same situation as whites, face higher interest rates for loans and are denied more often. Just a few points can mean the difference between saving thousands of dollars and having to live check to check.that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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Eliot Rosewater wrote:Oh, well if it's a cultural issue and not becuase blacks are actually born with better athletic ability then they must be dominant in athletics because whites can afford playstations and xboxes so instead of actually using their bodies they are just eating donuts while playing NBA 2k10. Right?
Maybe ... Or perhaps less perjoratively, white and asian kids are encouraged to excel academically, while black kids are encouraged to use their physical attributes to succeed. Do you have a particular need to slam white people while at the same time extolling the superior athletic prowess of blacks? Maybe I am reading too much into the donut remark.
Many of the Native people around me growing up were actively dissuaded from doing well in school and going to post-secondary institutions, even if they clearly had the smarts to do so. A few of them didn't care and went to school anyway, but the social pressure to avoid being an "apple" (red on the outside, white on the inside) was tremendous. Native people do not have the same athletic outlets that US blacks do, by the way. I had the advantage of parents who placed a lot of stock in academic success, while many of the people around me did not. I am a mixed race person and I don't look much different from your average whiteboy ... That probably helped me more than I really care to admit, which I think was Byrnzie's point. Still had to make different choices than many of those around me, though.0 -
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My comment about donuts was somewhat sarcastic. And I certainly don't intend to slam whites or exaggerate blacks and their athletic ability. My point which I think you agree with is that this shit is beyond complicated. It's not as simple as "different color, same situation" and seeing who succeeds and who fails. In my opinion, there is no such thing as "same situation". Not for ethnicity, gender, nationality, sexual preference and on and on.rebornFixer wrote:Eliot Rosewater wrote:Oh, well if it's a cultural issue and not becuase blacks are actually born with better athletic ability then they must be dominant in athletics because whites can afford playstations and xboxes so instead of actually using their bodies they are just eating donuts while playing NBA 2k10. Right?
Maybe ... Or perhaps less perjoratively, white and asian kids are encouraged to excel academically, while black kids are encouraged to use their physical attributes to succeed. Do you have a particular need to slam white people while at the same time extolling the superior athletic prowess of blacks? Maybe I am reading too much into the donut remark.
Many of the Native people around me growing up were actively dissuaded from doing well in school and going to post-secondary institutions, even if they clearly had the smarts to do so. A few of them didn't care and went to school anyway, but the social pressure to avoid being an "apple" (red on the outside, white on the inside) was tremendous. Native people do not have the same athletic outlets that US blacks do, by the way. I had the advantage of parents who placed a lot of stock in academic success, while many of the people around me did not. I am a mixed race person and I don't look much different from your average whiteboy ... That probably helped me more than I really care to admit, which I think was Byrnzie's point. Still had to make different choices than many of those around me, though.
It amazes me how people discount the long-term affects of oppression and bigotry. It wasn't that long ago that blacks couldn't vote. It wasn't that long ago that blacks were enslaved. Jesus, women also have a history of oppression in this country and couldn't vote not too long ago. They've had it much better off than blacks in this country and they still make less than men. Why do you think that is? I think it has something to do with being "newer" to the workforce and earning respect from those around them and their employers. Women don't have as long a history of being in the workforce. Neither do blacks. And now, they both make less. Even after years of being treated "equal". This shit takes time to overcome. Not months, not years, but generations and centuries. Humans are terribly slow learners.0
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