The Sex Pistols

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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Nothing screams great musician quite like endorsing.............butter:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mSE-Iy_tFY
  • philthehip
    philthehip Posts: 2,084
    Byrnzie wrote:
    philthehip wrote:
    Im no fan of the Beatles but to disregard them on that basis would make me as silly as you in this argument.
    philthehip wrote:
    The simple fact remains that you are wrong about the sex pistols and 99% of people will tell you so.
    philthehip wrote:
    Oh and your quite rude too

    If you can't handle a dose of your own medicine then go cry to your mommy about it.

    I am not rude, I am not F'ing and blinding to try to get my point across.
  • philthehip
    philthehip Posts: 2,084
    facepollution wrote:
    Nothing screams great musician quite like endorsing.............butter:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mSE-Iy_tFY

    Thats so cool :lol:
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    facepollution wrote:
    So you think The Teardrop Explodes, Echo and The Bunnymen, Joy Divison, The Smiths, The Pogues, The Fall are anything other than relative dinosuars in the modern music scene? How about you name some current bands or some older bands that still, bring out relevant music directly inspired by The Sex Pistols.

    The bands I mentioned did bring out relevant music directly inspired by the Sex Pistols, and three of the above are still making music today.
    As for The Smiths, they were voted by readers of NME as the most influential band of all time. The Smiths were heavily inspired by the New York Dolls and the Sex Pistols.
    facepollution wrote:
    as notorious as the Sex Pistols are, they didn't have a huge musical output...

    Neither did The Stooges, or The Velvet Underground, or Big Star.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    philthehip wrote:
    I am not rude, I am not F'ing and blinding to try to get my point across.

    You are rude, as I pointed out by pasting your previous posts. You don't need to use the F word to qualify as rude.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    philthehip wrote:
    The simple fact remains that you are wrong about the sex pistols and 99% of people will tell you so. You obviously love them which is great, Im happy that you find such enjoyment from them but I dont.


    I suppose this is another example of the 1% of people who are wrong in your scheme of things:

    http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... qr5ldke~T1
    'The Sex Pistols may have only been together for two years in the late '70s, but they changed the face of popular music. Through their raw, nihilistic singles and violent performances, the band revolutionized the idea of what rock & roll could be. In England, the group was considered dangerous to the very fabric of society and was banned across the country; in America, they didn't have the same impact, but countless bands in both countries were inspired by the sheer sonic force of their music, while countless others were inspired by their independent, do-it-yourself ethics. Even if they didn't release any singles by themselves, there was an implicit independence in the way they played their music and handled their career. The band gave birth to the massive independent music underground in England and America that would soon include bands that didn't have a direct musical connection to the Sex Pistols' initial three-minute blasts of rage, but couldn't have existed without those singles.'
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The bands I mentioned did bring out relevant music directly inspired by the Sex Pistols, and three of the above are still making music today.
    As for The Smiths, they were voted by readers of NME as the most influential band of all time. The Smiths were heavily inspired by the New York Dolls and the Sex Pistols.
    facepollution wrote:
    as notorious as the Sex Pistols are, they didn't have a huge musical output...

    Neither did The Stooges, or The Velvet Underground, or Big Star.

    I thought it was bad enough when your were taking wikipedia as gospel, but now you're quoting NME readers polls as being refelctive of the world's musical tastes at large :lol:

    Like I said, name some current bands.

    I'm not doubting that they were and are an influential band to some extent. But are you that ignorant to say that of the 200 million records Pink Floyd have sold that at least some of those people who bought them will have been musicians?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    philthehip wrote:
    Your absolutely right :lol: Record sales dont show anything about how popular and influential a band are.

    The Backstreet Boys and Celine Dion have both sold more records than Pearl Jam. How do you feel about that?
  • philthehip
    philthehip Posts: 2,084
    Byrnzie wrote:
    philthehip wrote:
    The simple fact remains that you are wrong about the sex pistols and 99% of people will tell you so. You obviously love them which is great, Im happy that you find such enjoyment from them but I dont.


    I suppose this is another example of the 1% of people who are wrong in your scheme of things:

    http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... qr5ldke~T1
    'The Sex Pistols may have only been together for two years in the late '70s, but they changed the face of popular music. Through their raw, nihilistic singles and violent performances, the band revolutionized the idea of what rock & roll could be. In England, the group was considered dangerous to the very fabric of society and was banned across the country; in America, they didn't have the same impact, but countless bands in both countries were inspired by the sheer sonic force of their music, while countless others were inspired by their independent, do-it-yourself ethics. Even if they didn't release any singles by themselves, there was an implicit independence in the way they played their music and handled their career. The band gave birth to the massive independent music underground in England and America that would soon include bands that didn't have a direct musical connection to the Sex Pistols' initial three-minute blasts of rage, but couldn't have existed without those singles.'

    These are all fantastic quotes but they can be found for lots of other bands. Im not trying to claim that their presence was not important but that they are not the most important band of the last 50 years. No evidence can back up your claim on that. I gave my personal thoughts about them and you trashed one of the biggest bands in history and expected us to agree that you were right when in fact you are completely wrong. Yes they had some importance, that is not in doubt but the claims you make are unfounded and totally off the mark.
  • philthehip
    philthehip Posts: 2,084
    Byrnzie wrote:
    philthehip wrote:
    Your absolutely right :lol: Record sales dont show anything about how popular and influential a band are.

    The Backstreet Boys and Celine Dion have both sold more records than Pearl Jam. How do you feel about that?

    I feel fine about it. The Backstreet boys and Celine Dion have Im sure inspired lots of groups and artists in the last 15 years or so. The fact that I dont personally like them has no bearing on the fact they have sold records.
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Byrnzie wrote:
    philthehip wrote:
    Your absolutely right :lol: Record sales dont show anything about how popular and influential a band are.

    The Backstreet Boys and Celine Dion have both sold more records than Pearl Jam. How do you feel about that?

    See the difference is that I wouldn't care about that, pop music tends to have a larger following than rock music, it's more accessible and less extreme - it's inoffensive (well maybe not Celine Dion, but that's another argument!).

    When you consider the relatively abstract nature of say Dark Side Of The Moon, I think it's remarkable that they sold that many copies, but it's clearly an indicator of the enduring appeal, which shouldn't be ignored.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited September 2011
    facepollution wrote:
    I thought it was bad enough when your were taking wikipedia as gospel, but now you're quoting NME readers polls as being refelctive of the world's musical tastes at large :lol:

    The Wiki quote I posted showed the results of a poll by Rolling Stone. The NME poll was from readers from both Europe and the U.S. But of course that's not good enough for you.

    facepollution wrote:
    Like I said, name some current bands.

    Any alternative band of the past 30 years has been influenced, either directly or indirectly by the Sex Pistols and the punk movement.
    Post edited by Byrnzie on
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    philthehip wrote:
    I feel fine about it. The Backstreet boys and Celine Dion have Im sure inspired lots of groups and artists in the last 15 years or so. The fact that I dont personally like them has no bearing on the fact they have sold records.

    And the fact that they've both sold records has had no bearing on the evolution of music at all, just as the fact that Pink Floyd have sold however millions of copies of Dark Side of the Moon does nothing to alter my original point.
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The Wiki quote I posted showed the results of a poll by Rolling Stone. The NME poll was from readers from both Europe and the U.S. But of course that's not good enough for you.

    Ok so the Clash's London Calling was voted number 8 in the Rolling Stone poll in 2003, way ahead of the Sex Pistols. So clearly you must be wrong. :roll:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Any alternative band of the past 30 years has been influenced, either directly or indirectly by the Sex Pistols and the punk movement.

    See I think that since Pink Floyd came first, the Sex Pistols were indirectly influenced by Pink Floyd at the 60's/70's rock movement. Without Pink Floyd making overly technical music, the Sex Pistols would never have had anything to rail against with their more simplified music.
  • philthehip
    philthehip Posts: 2,084
    Byrnzie wrote:
    philthehip wrote:
    I feel fine about it. The Backstreet boys and Celine Dion have Im sure inspired lots of groups and artists in the last 15 years or so. The fact that I dont personally like them has no bearing on the fact they have sold records.

    And the fact that they've both sold records has had no bearing on the evolution of music at all, just as the fact that Pink Floyd have sold however millions of copies of Dark Side of the Moon does nothing to alter my original point.

    How has it had no bearing? You dont know that. In 30 years someone may well write a load of reviews on Wiki that site Celine Dion is the most important musician of the 50 years. You cant possibly know what if any influences have been taken from her music.
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    In fact if we are going to take polls as fact then this is probably the most accurate, it's based on multiple large polls:

    http://www.rankapple.com/Lists/Poll/Gre ... msList.php oh and look who beat out the Sex Pistols :lol:
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    facepollution wrote:
    See I think that since Pink Floyd came first, the Sex Pistols were indirectly influenced by Pink Floyd at the 60's/70's rock movement. Without Pink Floyd making overly technical music, the Sex Pistols would never have had anything to rail against with their more simplified music.

    You think Pink Floyd were the only bunch of self-indulgent, Middle-class cunts around at that time?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    philthehip wrote:
    How has it had no bearing? You dont know that. In 30 years someone may well write a load of reviews on Wiki that site Celine Dion is the most important musician of the 50 years. You cant possibly know what if any influences have been taken from her music.

    Well then maybe you know something I don't. Care to enlighten me?
  • philthehip
    philthehip Posts: 2,084
    Byrnzie wrote:
    facepollution wrote:
    See I think that since Pink Floyd came first, the Sex Pistols were indirectly influenced by Pink Floyd at the 60's/70's rock movement. Without Pink Floyd making overly technical music, the Sex Pistols would never have had anything to rail against with their more simplified music.

    You think Pink Floyd were the only bunch of self-indulgent, Middle-class cunts around at that time?

    No but I think you may be the only self indulgent idiot around at this time. That was rude. Sorry FacePollution.
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Byrnzie wrote:
    facepollution wrote:
    See I think that since Pink Floyd came first, the Sex Pistols were indirectly influenced by Pink Floyd at the 60's/70's rock movement. Without Pink Floyd making overly technical music, the Sex Pistols would never have had anything to rail against with their more simplified music.

    You think Pink Floyd were the only bunch of self-indulgent, Middle-class cunts around at that time?

    The word cunt is so punk. And no, but you have no way of proving that they didn't have an indirect influence.

    And please do respond to my previous post about the polls.

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