The Sex Pistols

Byrnzie

Still the greatest band of the past 50 years.

Discuss.

dimitrispearljam

enough said

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

Still the greatest band of the past 50 years.

Discuss.

bullshit. end of discussion.

dimitrispearljam

catefrances wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Still the greatest band of the past 50 years.

Discuss.

bullshit. end of discussion.

U ROCK GIRL!!!!!

catefrances

dimitrispearljam wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Still the greatest band of the past 50 years.

Discuss.

bullshit. end of discussion.

U ROCK GIRL!!!!!

i am just tired of the sex pistols being the arbiters of punk. its delusional and so fuckin' lazy. the image of the sex pistols as punk is nothing but a caricature and a misrepresentation of what punk was and is.

philthehip

Byrnzie wrote:

Still the greatest band of the past 50 years.

Discuss.

Sex Pistols for me equals bollocks. They all should have been held under water at birth if it had been known what they were going to do.

Of course this is only my opinion but I stand by it. Sex Pistols = Worst band of the last 600 years

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

i am just tired of the sex pistols being the arbiters of punk. its delusional and so fuckin' lazy. the image of the sex pistols as punk is nothing but a caricature and a misrepresentation of what punk was and is.

You could take that attitude if you knew nothing about the origins of punk and the emergence of the punk scene in London in 1976.

Did you ever get to see Julian Temple's documentary 'The Filth & The Fury'? I guess not.

Byrnzie

philthehip wrote:

Sex Pistols for me equals bollocks. They all should have been held under water at birth if it had been known what they were going to do.

What they did was change the face of music forever and put a stick up the arse of the establishment in the process. They were the inspiration for some of the best groups of the past 40 years.

And neither the Stooges, nor the CBGB's bands ever had the same impact across the music scene as the Pistols did.

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i am just tired of the sex pistols being the arbiters of punk. its delusional and so fuckin' lazy. the image of the sex pistols as punk is nothing but a caricature and a misrepresentation of what punk was and is.

You could take that attitude if you knew nothing about the origins of punk and the emergence of the punk scene in London in 1976.

Did you ever get to see Julian Temple's documentary 'The Filth & The Fury'? I guess not.

HA! bruised your english ego have i???


i was around back then. i was aware of punk bands that looked nothing like the sex pistols and so were dismissed as not being punk. i am aware that like all other cliques within music punk wasnt above the bullshit. and i know the image portrayed by the sexpistols wasnt what punk was about. this is what punk is?? bullshit.
im not saying the sex pistols werent punk.. what im saying is the sex pistols werent the be all and end all of punk. and they certainly shouldnt be held up as any sort of measure to the exclusion of all else.

philthehip

Byrnzie wrote:

philthehip wrote:

Sex Pistols for me equals bollocks. They all should have been held under water at birth if it had been known what they were going to do.

What they did was change the face of music forever and put a stick up the arse of the establishment in the process. They were the inspiration for some of the best groups of the past 40 years.

And neither the Stooges, nor the CBGB's bands ever ever had the same impact across the music scene as the Pistols did.

I wont argue with your opinion on that because Im sure your right. But remember that I am only expressing my own personal dislike for them not to trash them to anyone who likes them. I have a really strong dislike for them. I think the music is awful but again it is only my own view point. Maybe if I had been around when they were prominent I would feel different but I think they are dated and I simply dont like any of their music at all.

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

i was around back then. i was aware of punk bands that looked nothing like the sex pistols and so were dismissed as not being punk. i am aware that like all other cliques within music punk wasnt above the bullshit. and i know the image portrayed by the sexpistols wasnt what punk was about. this is what punk is?? bullshit.

What bands were these then?

And what did the Pistols look like in 76? Unless my eyes deceive me they wore tatty wool sweaters, and jeans. They didn't look too different from 'The Saints'.

catefrances wrote:

im not saying the sex pistols werent punk.. what im saying is the sex pistols werent the be all and end all of punk. and they certainly shouldnt be held up as any sort of measure to the exclusion of all else.

I didn't say they were. In fact I said nothing about punk at all. I said they were the best band of the past 50 years.

Byrnzie

philthehip wrote:

I wont argue with your opinion on that because Im sure your right. But remember that I am only expressing my own personal dislike for them not to trash them to anyone who likes them. I have a really strong dislike for them. I think the music is awful but again it is only my own view point. Maybe if I had been around when they were prominent I would feel different but I think they are dated and I simply dont like any of their music at all.

Fair enough.
I notice you're from the Wirral. You have the Pistols to thank for The Teardrop Explodes and Echo & The Bunnymen. That in itself should earn your respect.

dimitrispearljam

philthehip wrote:

. But remember that I am only expressing my own personal dislike for them not to trash them to anyone who likes them..

hey Byrnzie ,the man is right....

philthehip

Byrnzie wrote:

philthehip wrote:

I wont argue with your opinion on that because Im sure your right. But remember that I am only expressing my own personal dislike for them not to trash them to anyone who likes them. I have a really strong dislike for them. I think the music is awful but again it is only my own view point. Maybe if I had been around when they were prominent I would feel different but I think they are dated and I simply dont like any of their music at all.

Fair enough.
I notice you're from the Wirral. You have the Pistols to thank for The Teardrop Explodes and Echo & The Bunnymen. That in itself should earn your respect.

Im not from Liverpool so I dont see why I should have to respect them. Julian Cope was great but I can like stuff influenced by others that I dont like. I dont like Echo abd TBM either but hey we are all different.

Byrnzie

How can anyone not think this is the fucking nuts?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1IReGYKsyM

The Number One single in England during the Queens Silver Jubilee. (I was dressed as Batman that day and have a photo to prove it :oops: )

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i was around back then. i was aware of punk bands that looked nothing like the sex pistols and so were dismissed as not being punk. i am aware that like all other cliques within music punk wasnt above the bullshit. and i know the image portrayed by the sexpistols wasnt what punk was about. this is what punk is?? bullshit.

What bands were these then?

And what did the Pistols look like in 76? Unless my eyes deceive me they wore tatty wool sweaters, and jeans. They didn't look too different from 'The Saints'.

and you mention the saints purely cause im australian right???

byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

im not saying the sex pistols weren t punk.. what im saying is the sex pistols werent the be all and end all of punk. and they certainly shouldnt be held up as any sort of measure to the exclusion of all else.

I didn't say they were. In fact I said nothing about punk at all. I said they were the best band of the past 50 years.

oh then ok allow me to retort. the sex pistols arent the best band iof the past 50 years. imo. but id surely like to hear why you think they are.

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

oh then ok allow me to retort. the sex pistols arent the best band iof the past 50 years. imo. but id surely like to hear why you think they are.

O.k, I'll run off a few cliches...

Their music was a sorely needed shot in the ass to the mundanity and snobbery of the prog-rock era. 'Never Mind The Bollox' was like a bombshell upon the stagnant music scene of the time. It contains some of the most blistering songs ever recorded. Johnny Rotten was one of the greatest performers ever to take to the stage. They took rock music out of the hands of the 'experts' - the muso's - and gave it back to the man on the street. Their importance can be seen in all of the bands that were directly inspired by them - Joy Divison, The Smiths, The Pogues, The Fall, e.t.c.

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

oh then ok allow me to retort. the sex pistols arent the best band iof the past 50 years. imo. but id surely like to hear why you think they are.

Here's what Wiki says about their legacy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_Pistols#Legacy
'Rolling Stone has argued that the band, "in direct opposition to the star trappings and complacency" of mid-1970s rock, "came to spark and personify one of the few truly critical moments in pop culture—the rise of punk."[174] In 2004, the magazine ranked the Sex Pistols #58 on its list of the "100 Greatest Artists of All Time".[183] Leading music critic Dave Marsh called them "unquestionably the most radical new rock band of the Seventies."[184]

Although the Sex Pistols were not the first punk band, the few recordings that were released during the band's brief initial existence were singularly catalytic expressions of the punk movement. The releases of "Anarchy in the U.K.", "God Save the Queen" and Never Mind the Bollocks are counted among the most important events in the history of popular music. Never Mind the Bollocks is regularly cited in accountings of all-time great albums: In 2006, it was voted #28 in Q magazine's "100 Greatest Albums Ever",[185] while Rolling Stone listed it at #2 in its 1987 "Top 100 Albums of the Last 20 Years".[186] It has come to be recognised as among the most influential records in rock history.[179][187] A 2005 Allmusic critique describes it as "one of the greatest, most inspiring rock records of all time"


...The Sex Pistols' 4 June 1976 concert at Manchester's Lesser Free Trade Hall was to become one of the most significant and mythologised events in rock history. Among the audience of merely forty people or so were many who became leading figures in the punk and post-punk movements: Pete Shelley and Howard Devoto, who organised the gig and were in the process of auditioning new members for the Buzzcocks; Bernard Sumner, Ian Curtis and Peter Hook, later of Joy Division; Mark E. Smith, later of The Fall; and Morrissey, later of The Smiths. Anthony H. Wilson, founder of Factory Records, saw the band for the first time at the return engagement on 20 July.[57] Among the many musicians of a later time who have acknowledged their debt to the Pistols are members of NOFX,[195] The Stone Roses,[196] Guns N' Roses,[197] Nirvana,[198] Green Day,[183] and Oasis.'

philthehip

Byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

oh then ok allow me to retort. the sex pistols arent the best band iof the past 50 years. imo. but id surely like to hear why you think they are.

O.k, I'll run off a few cliches...

Their music was a sorely needed shot in the ass to the mundanity and snobbery of the prog-rock era. 'Never Mind The Bollox' was like a bombshell upon the stagnant music scene of the time. It contains some of the most blistering songs ever recorded. Johnny Rotten was one of the greatest performers ever to take to the stage. They took rock music out of the hands of the 'experts' - the muso's - and gave it back to the man on the street. Their importance can be seen in all of the bands that were directly inspired by them - Joy Divison, The Smiths, The Pogues, The Fall, e.t.c.

Gave it back to the man? Who do you think was buying Pink Floyd, Led Zep, Yes, Uriah Heep and so many others. The man on the street was happy with the music they were buying. The Sex Pistols were for a new generation, noone needed rock music giving back to them.

Byrnzie

philthehip wrote:

Gave it back to the man? Who do you think was buying Pink Floyd, Led Zep, Yes, Uriah Heep and so many others. The man on the street was happy with the music they were buying. The Sex Pistols were for a new generation, noone needed rock music giving back to them.

Pink Floyd were just so fucking boring. I never could stomach them.

Coincidentally, Malcolm MacClaren allegedly first spotted Johnny Rotten walking down the Kings Road with a t-shirt that read 'I hate Pink Floyd'.

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

oh then ok allow me to retort. the sex pistols arent the best band iof the past 50 years. imo. but id surely like to hear why you think they are.

O.k, I'll run off a few cliches...

Their music was a sorely needed shot in the ass to the mundanity and snobbery of the prog-rock era. 'Never Mind The Bollox' was like a bombshell upon the stagnant music scene of the time. It contains some of the most blistering songs ever recorded. Johnny Rotten was one of the greatest performers ever to take to the stage. They took rock music out of the hands of the 'experts' - the muso's - and gave it back to the man on the street. Their importance can be seen in all of the bands that were directly inspired by them - Joy Divison, The Smiths, The Pogues, The Fall, e.t.c.

and that makes them the best band of the last 50 years does it??? come on steve... the bands you mention there have leaders who are enigmatic in their own right.... ian curtis, steven morrissey, mark smith and shane macgowan. did it ever occur to you that those blokes saw what the pistols were doing thought fuck that bullshit i can do that and then they went out and did it??? that even without experiencing the sex pistols they wouldve gone on to do what they did?? but if you want to call that inspired by, then go ahead.

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

oh then ok allow me to retort. the sex pistols arent the best band iof the past 50 years. imo. but id surely like to hear why you think they are.

Here's what Wiki says about their legacy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_Pistols#Legacy
'Rolling Stone has argued that the band, "in direct opposition to the star trappings and complacency" of mid-1970s rock, "came to spark and personify one of the few truly critical moments in pop culture—the rise of punk."[174] In 2004, the magazine ranked the Sex Pistols #58 on its list of the "100 Greatest Artists of All Time".[183] Leading music critic Dave Marsh called them "unquestionably the most radical new rock band of the Seventies."[184]

Although the Sex Pistols were not the first punk band, the few recordings that were released during the band's brief initial existence were singularly catalytic expressions of the punk movement. The releases of "Anarchy in the U.K.", "God Save the Queen" and Never Mind the Bollocks are counted among the most important events in the history of popular music. Never Mind the Bollocks is regularly cited in accountings of all-time great albums: In 2006, it was voted #28 in Q magazine's "100 Greatest Albums Ever",[185] while Rolling Stone listed it at #2 in its 1987 "Top 100 Albums of the Last 20 Years".[186] It has come to be recognised as among the most influential records in rock history.[179][187] A 2005 Allmusic critique describes it as "one of the greatest, most inspiring rock records of all time"


...The Sex Pistols' 4 June 1976 concert at Manchester's Lesser Free Trade Hall was to become one of the most significant and mythologised events in rock history. Among the audience of merely forty people or so were many who became leading figures in the punk and post-punk movements: Pete Shelley and Howard Devoto, who organised the gig and were in the process of auditioning new members for the Buzzcocks; Bernard Sumner, Ian Curtis and Peter Hook, later of Joy Division; Mark E. Smith, later of The Fall; and Morrissey, later of The Smiths. Anthony H. Wilson, founder of Factory Records, saw the band for the first time at the return engagement on 20 July.[57] Among the many musicians of a later time who have acknowledged their debt to the Pistols are members of NOFX,[195] The Stone Roses,[196] Guns N' Roses,[197] Nirvana,[198] Green Day,[183] and Oasis.'

steve i asked what you thought not what wiki says.

philthehip

Byrnzie wrote:

philthehip wrote:

Gave it back to the man? Who do you think was buying Pink Floyd, Led Zep, Yes, Uriah Heep and so many others. The man on the street was happy with the music they were buying. The Sex Pistols were for a new generation, noone needed rock music giving back to them.

Pink Floyd were just so fucking boring. I never could stomach them.

Coincidentally, Malcolm MacClaren allegedly first spotted Johnny Rotten walking down the Kings Road with a t-shirt that read 'I hate Pink Floyd'.

Are you maybe Johnny Rotten? Pink Floyd boring? OK

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

the bands you mention there have leaders who are enigmatic in their own right.... ian curtis, steven morrissey, mark smith and shane macgowan. did it ever occur to you that those blokes saw what the pistols were doing thought fuck that bullshit i can do that and then they went out and did it??? if you want to call that inspired by, then go ahead.

No, none of them thought 'Fuck that bullshit'. But if you have any evidence to the contrary then go ahead and provide it.

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

oh then ok allow me to retort. the sex pistols arent the best band iof the past 50 years. imo. but id surely like to hear why you think they are.

Here's what Wiki says about their legacy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_Pistols#Legacy
'Rolling Stone has argued that the band, "in direct opposition to the star trappings and complacency" of mid-1970s rock, "came to spark and personify one of the few truly critical moments in pop culture—the rise of punk."[174] In 2004, the magazine ranked the Sex Pistols #58 on its list of the "100 Greatest Artists of All Time".[183] Leading music critic Dave Marsh called them "unquestionably the most radical new rock band of the Seventies."[184]

Although the Sex Pistols were not the first punk band, the few recordings that were released during the band's brief initial existence were singularly catalytic expressions of the punk movement. The releases of "Anarchy in the U.K.", "God Save the Queen" and Never Mind the Bollocks are counted among the most important events in the history of popular music. Never Mind the Bollocks is regularly cited in accountings of all-time great albums: In 2006, it was voted #28 in Q magazine's "100 Greatest Albums Ever",[185] while Rolling Stone listed it at #2 in its 1987 "Top 100 Albums of the Last 20 Years".[186] It has come to be recognised as among the most influential records in rock history.[179][187] A 2005 Allmusic critique describes it as "one of the greatest, most inspiring rock records of all time"


...The Sex Pistols' 4 June 1976 concert at Manchester's Lesser Free Trade Hall was to become one of the most significant and mythologised events in rock history. Among the audience of merely forty people or so were many who became leading figures in the punk and post-punk movements: Pete Shelley and Howard Devoto, who organised the gig and were in the process of auditioning new members for the Buzzcocks; Bernard Sumner, Ian Curtis and Peter Hook, later of Joy Division; Mark E. Smith, later of The Fall; and Morrissey, later of The Smiths. Anthony H. Wilson, founder of Factory Records, saw the band for the first time at the return engagement on 20 July.[57] Among the many musicians of a later time who have acknowledged their debt to the Pistols are members of NOFX,[195] The Stone Roses,[196] Guns N' Roses,[197] Nirvana,[198] Green Day,[183] and Oasis.'

steve i asked what you thought not what wiki says.

Which is why I posted what I thought above.

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

the bands you mention there have leaders who are enigmatic in their own right.... ian curtis, steven morrissey, mark smith and shane macgowan. did it ever occur to you that those blokes saw what the pistols were doing thought fuck that bullshit i can do that and then they went out and did it??? if you want to call that inspired by, then go ahead.

No, none of them thought 'Fuck that bullshit'. But if you have any evidence to the contrary then go ahead and provide it.

how do you know??? .. how do we know tha when someone says.. thats fucking brilliant upon seeing a band that what they mean is its brilliant those cunts are able to get away with what theyre getting away with and i surely i can do the same??

dont get me wrong steve im not denying the influence of the sex pistols im just questioning the motivation behind those who came after them.

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

how do you know??? .. how do we know tha when someone says.. thats fucking brilliant upon seeing a band that what they mean is its brilliant those cunts are able to get away with what theyre getting away with and i surely i can do the same??

dont get me wrong steve im not denying the influence of the sex pistols im just questioning the motivation behind those who came after them.

Sure, we can make shit up and hypothesize all day.

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

how do you know??? .. how do we know tha when someone says.. thats fucking brilliant upon seeing a band that what they mean is its brilliant those cunts are able to get away with what theyre getting away with and i surely i can do the same??

dont get me wrong steve im not denying the influence of the sex pistols im just questioning the motivation behind those who came after them.

Sure, we can make shit up and hypothesize all day.

yes indeed we can.... cause thats what the media does when it comes to the sex pistols. :P

strummers

2 words:

THE CLASH

I believe the phrase is "'nuff said"!

catefrances

strummers wrote:

2 words:

THE CLASH

I believe the phrase is "'nuff said"!

from you. this is a shocker. :P

strummers

catefrances wrote:

strummers wrote:

2 words:

THE CLASH

I believe the phrase is "'nuff said"!

from you. this is a shocker. :P

true though!