you think the DKs are worth an exclamation mark??? :P
Of course!
I have a soft spot for the Dead Kennedys since they're from my hometown.
My ex wife used to catch Jello Biafra and the gang at the Mabuhay and a few other San Francisco clubs in their heyday.
"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
Given how much Floyd's record sales dwarf the Sex Pistols'
Like that means anything. The Spice Girls record sales probably dwarf Pink Floyd's.
Haha, no they don't, not even close, Floyd have sold around 200 million records - one of the biggest bands of all time. My point was that in terms of relevance far more people own, and still buy many of Pink Floyd's albums, compared to the Sex Pistols' one record, so Pink Floyd are clearly a more popular band. So how can you back up your claim that the Sex Pistols have more relevance today?
a group of guys more famous for swearing than their musical output
I guess that explains the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_Pistols#Legacy
'Rolling Stone...magazine ranked the Sex Pistols #58 on its list of the "100 Greatest Artists of All Time".[183] Leading music critic Dave Marsh called them "unquestionably the most radical new rock band of the Seventies."[184]
...The releases of "Anarchy in the U.K.", "God Save the Queen" and Never Mind the Bollocks are counted among the most important events in the history of popular music. Never Mind the Bollocks is regularly cited in accountings of all-time great albums: In 2006, it was voted #28 in Q magazine's "100 Greatest Albums Ever",[185] while Rolling Stone listed it at #2 in its 1987 "Top 100 Albums of the Last 20 Years".[186] It has come to be recognized as among the most influential records in rock history.[179][187] A 2005 Allmusic critique describes it as "one of the greatest, most inspiring rock records of all time".[188]
I dont care what someone wrote on Wiki about a band they happen to like and I never voted in any of those polls as I think most music fans dont. None of them are a fair cross section of society. If it was a fair vote then I seriously doubt the sex pistols would get in there given their record sales which dont factor on any charts for the biggest selling albums. Albums that were released in the age of piracy have outsold it in 6 or 7 years so I dont think any of your claims are really that acurate
So how can you back up your claim that the Sex Pistols have more relevance today?
I don't need to back up my claim. I gave my reasons above. The Sex Pistols inspired, and continue to influence, more bands than Pink Floyd with their 'musical expertise' and 'over-blown theatrics' ever did.
I dont care what someone wrote on Wiki about a band they happen to like and I never voted in any of those polls as I think most music fans dont. None of them are a fair cross section of society. If it was a fair vote then I seriously doubt the sex pistols would get in there given their record sales which dont factor on any charts for the biggest selling albums. Albums that were released in the age of piracy have outsold it in 6 or 7 years so I dont think any of your claims are really that acurate
Fuck record sales. The Stooges never sold any records, and neither did The Ramones, or Big Star, and a dozen other of the best and most influential bands of the past 50 years. Record sales mean fuck-all.
So how can you back up your claim that the Sex Pistols have more relevance today?
I don't need to back up my claim. I gave my reasons above. The Sex Pistols inspired, and continue to influence, more bands than Pink Floyd with their 'musical expertise' and 'over-blown theatrics' ever did.
Like who? How do you quantify 'more bands'? I hear Pink Floyd's influence in loads of bands.
I dont care what someone wrote on Wiki about a band they happen to like and I never voted in any of those polls as I think most music fans dont. None of them are a fair cross section of society. If it was a fair vote then I seriously doubt the sex pistols would get in there given their record sales which dont factor on any charts for the biggest selling albums. Albums that were released in the age of piracy have outsold it in 6 or 7 years so I dont think any of your claims are really that acurate
Fuck record sales. The Stooges never sold any records, and neither did The Ramones, or Big Star, and a dozen other of the best and most influential bands of the past 50 years. Record sales mean fuck-all.
Oh sorry, I did not realise we were disregarding the cold facts. Your absolutely right Record sales dont show anything about how popular and influential a band are. Im no fan of the Beatles but to disregard them on that basis would make me as silly as you in this argument.
Oh sorry, I did not realise we were disregarding the cold facts. Your absolutely right Record sales dont show anything about how popular and influential a band are. Im no fan of the Beatles but to disregard them on that basis would make me as silly as you in this argument.
So in your scheme of things we should all be in awe of the New Kids on The Block, Garth Brooks, and Madonna.
So how can you back up your claim that the Sex Pistols have more relevance today?
I don't need to back up my claim. I gave my reasons above. The Sex Pistols inspired, and continue to influence, more bands than Pink Floyd with their 'musical expertise' and 'over-blown theatrics' ever did.
Like who? How do you quantify 'more bands'? I hear Pink Floyd's influence in loads of bands.
I already listed them above. Why do you people keep asking me to repeat myself?
Pink Floyd became just as boring, pompous and pointless as all the other prog rock dinosaurs out there.
There's a reason punk happened, and everything that followed from punk, but clearly you don't get it.
Oh sorry, I did not realise we were disregarding the cold facts. Your absolutely right Record sales dont show anything about how popular and influential a band are. Im no fan of the Beatles but to disregard them on that basis would make me as silly as you in this argument.
So in your scheme of things we should all be in awe of the New Kids on The Block, Garth Brooks, and Madonna.
Not in awe no. Respectful of the fact that music is all down to taste and not what an individual tries to dictate to his peers with claims that a band is the best of the last 50 years. Your original claim is what we are debating. You are trying to force your opinion on us and all we are doing is stating the facts as anyone will see them. You were debunking Pink Floyd and trying to pass it off as a fact because its what you believe rather than because of the evidence. The simple fact remains that you are wrong about the sex pistols and 99% of people will tell you so. You obviously love them which is great, Im happy that you find such enjoyment from them but I dont.
So how can you back up your claim that the Sex Pistols have more relevance today?
I don't need to back up my claim. I gave my reasons above. The Sex Pistols inspired, and continue to influence, more bands than Pink Floyd with their 'musical expertise' and 'over-blown theatrics' ever did.
Like who? How do you quantify 'more bands'? I hear Pink Floyd's influence in loads of bands.[/quote]
I already listed them above. Why do you people keep asking me to repeat myself?
Pink Floyd became just as boring, pompous and pointless as all the other prog rock dinosaurs out there.
There's a reason punk happened, and everything that followed from punk, but clearly you don't get it.[/quote]
Its you who does not get it. Punk did not revive music or change it forever more. Prog rock was and is a fantastic genre of music. Just because Tales from Topographic Oceans or any of the big concept albums is far too clever for most does not make it pompous. Oh and remember by the way. Music does not keep coming back to punk it keeps returning to rock and blues
Not in awe no. Respectful of the fact that music is all down to taste and not what an individual tries to dictate to his peers with claims that a band is the best of the last 50 years. Your original claim is what we are debating. You are trying to force your opinion on us and all we are doing is stating the facts as anyone will see them. You were debunking Pink Floyd and trying to pass it off as a fact because its what you believe rather than because of the evidence.
Except it doesn't just come down to individual taste when we look at the legacy of a particular band. The Sex Pistols sold relatively fuck-all records in their time compared to all the boring, pompous prog rock bands like Pink Floyd, Uriah Heep and Emerson, Lake & Palmer, but they have influenced more bands than any of these dinosaurs combined.
And I'm not forcing my opinions on anyone. If you like Pink Floyd so much then why don't you start a fucking thread singing the praises of Pink Floyd instead of trying to convince me that they're the greatest thing since sliced bread?
The simple fact remains that you are wrong about the sex pistols and 99% of people will tell you so.
Except that isn't a fact. It's your own personal bullshit which flies in the face of the opinion of practically every respected music journalist and publication.
Not in awe no. Respectful of the fact that music is all down to taste and not what an individual tries to dictate to his peers with claims that a band is the best of the last 50 years. Your original claim is what we are debating. You are trying to force your opinion on us and all we are doing is stating the facts as anyone will see them. You were debunking Pink Floyd and trying to pass it off as a fact because its what you believe rather than because of the evidence.
Except it doesn't just come down to individual taste when we look at the legacy of a particular band. The Sex Pistols sold relatively fuck-all records in their time compared to all the boring, pompous prog rock bands like Pink Floyd, Uriah Heep and Emerson, Lake & Palmer, but they have influenced more bands than any of these dinosaurs combined.
And I'm not forcing my opinions on anyone. If you like Pink Floyd so much then why don't you start a fucking thread singing the praises of Pink Floyd instead of trying to convince me that they're the greatest thing since sliced bread?
The simple fact remains that you are wrong about the sex pistols and 99% of people will tell you so.
Except that isn't a fact. It's your own personal bullshit which flies in the face of the opinion of practically every respected music journalist and publication.
Oh and your quite rude too, are all the respected jounalists and publications as rude when trying to get their point across?
The simple fact remains that you are wrong about the sex pistols and 99% of people will tell you so. You obviously love them which is great, Im happy that you find such enjoyment from them but I dont.
Sure, I'm wrong...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_Pistols#Legacy
'In 2006, it was voted #28 in Q magazine's "100 Greatest Albums Ever",[185] while Rolling Stone listed it at #2 in its 1987 "Top 100 Albums of the Last 20 Years".[186] It has come to be recognized as among the most influential records in rock history.[179][187] A 2005 Allmusic critique describes it as "one of the greatest, most inspiring rock records of all time".'
Its you who does not get it. Punk did not revive music or change it forever more. Prog rock was and is a fantastic genre of music. Just because Tales from Topographic Oceans or any of the big concept albums is far too clever for most does not make it pompous. Oh and remember by the way. Music does not keep coming back to punk it keeps returning to rock and blues
So punk did not revive or change music?
If you believe that then you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
I already listed them above. Why do you people keep asking me to repeat myself?
So you think The Teardrop Explodes, Echo and The Bunnymen, Joy Divison, The Smiths, The Pogues, The Fall are anything other than relative dinosuars in the modern music scene? How about you name some current bands or some older bands that stil, bring out relevant music directly inspired by The Sex Pistols.
As for Pink Floyd, they've influenced and continue to influence plenty of bands, from Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Tool, Coldplay, Muse, Alice In Chains, STP, pretty much any prog rock band that followed them....
Pink Floyd became just as boring, pompous and pointless as all the other prog rock dinosaurs out there.
There's a reason punk happened, and everything that followed from punk, but clearly you don't get it.
Oh I get it, I just disagree with you. Your're right in that most musical movements do eventually get a bit boring and then a new breed of bands take over, but as notorious as the Sex Pistols are, they didn't have a huge musical output, and they lasted a grand total of three years on the back of a single album. I'm not doubting that they were influential, but new musical trends are always spearheaded by a particular band or artist, and the outrage the Sex Pistols caused was no more profound than Elvis was gyrating his hips back in the 50's.
The simple fact remains that you are wrong about the sex pistols and 99% of people will tell you so. You obviously love them which is great, Im happy that you find such enjoyment from them but I dont.
Sure, I'm wrong...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_Pistols#Legacy
'In 2006, it was voted #28 in Q magazine's "100 Greatest Albums Ever",[185] while Rolling Stone listed it at #2 in its 1987 "Top 100 Albums of the Last 20 Years".[186] It has come to be recognized as among the most influential records in rock history.[179][187] A 2005 Allmusic critique describes it as "one of the greatest, most inspiring rock records of all time".'
Yes I know you like using Wiki for some facts already. Wiki also sites Pink Floyd as a massive influence on lots of bands. The edge bought his first delay pedal after hearing the opening of Animals. Radiohead were inspired by them and lots of others too.
Its you who does not get it. Punk did not revive music or change it forever more. Prog rock was and is a fantastic genre of music. Just because Tales from Topographic Oceans or any of the big concept albums is far too clever for most does not make it pompous. Oh and remember by the way. Music does not keep coming back to punk it keeps returning to rock and blues
So punk did not revive or change music?
If you believe that then you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
No it didnt, it moved it other directions which was great but it was no more important than all the changes that came before it. Elvis to the beatles. Pink floyd and led zep. David Bowie. The sex pistols, the clash. Madonna, Run DMC, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, oasis, blur. The list is endless of bands that changed the direction of music at that time.
So you think The Teardrop Explodes, Echo and The Bunnymen, Joy Divison, The Smiths, The Pogues, The Fall are anything other than relative dinosuars in the modern music scene? How about you name some current bands or some older bands that still, bring out relevant music directly inspired by The Sex Pistols.
The bands I mentioned did bring out relevant music directly inspired by the Sex Pistols, and three of the above are still making music today.
As for The Smiths, they were voted by readers of NME as the most influential band of all time. The Smiths were heavily inspired by the New York Dolls and the Sex Pistols.
The simple fact remains that you are wrong about the sex pistols and 99% of people will tell you so. You obviously love them which is great, Im happy that you find such enjoyment from them but I dont.
I suppose this is another example of the 1% of people who are wrong in your scheme of things:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... qr5ldke~T1
'The Sex Pistols may have only been together for two years in the late '70s, but they changed the face of popular music. Through their raw, nihilistic singles and violent performances, the band revolutionized the idea of what rock & roll could be. In England, the group was considered dangerous to the very fabric of society and was banned across the country; in America, they didn't have the same impact, but countless bands in both countries were inspired by the sheer sonic force of their music, while countless others were inspired by their independent, do-it-yourself ethics. Even if they didn't release any singles by themselves, there was an implicit independence in the way they played their music and handled their career. The band gave birth to the massive independent music underground in England and America that would soon include bands that didn't have a direct musical connection to the Sex Pistols' initial three-minute blasts of rage, but couldn't have existed without those singles.'
The bands I mentioned did bring out relevant music directly inspired by the Sex Pistols, and three of the above are still making music today.
As for The Smiths, they were voted by readers of NME as the most influential band of all time. The Smiths were heavily inspired by the New York Dolls and the Sex Pistols.
as notorious as the Sex Pistols are, they didn't have a huge musical output...
Neither did The Stooges, or The Velvet Underground, or Big Star.
I thought it was bad enough when your were taking wikipedia as gospel, but now you're quoting NME readers polls as being refelctive of the world's musical tastes at large
Like I said, name some current bands.
I'm not doubting that they were and are an influential band to some extent. But are you that ignorant to say that of the 200 million records Pink Floyd have sold that at least some of those people who bought them will have been musicians?
The simple fact remains that you are wrong about the sex pistols and 99% of people will tell you so. You obviously love them which is great, Im happy that you find such enjoyment from them but I dont.
I suppose this is another example of the 1% of people who are wrong in your scheme of things:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... qr5ldke~T1
'The Sex Pistols may have only been together for two years in the late '70s, but they changed the face of popular music. Through their raw, nihilistic singles and violent performances, the band revolutionized the idea of what rock & roll could be. In England, the group was considered dangerous to the very fabric of society and was banned across the country; in America, they didn't have the same impact, but countless bands in both countries were inspired by the sheer sonic force of their music, while countless others were inspired by their independent, do-it-yourself ethics. Even if they didn't release any singles by themselves, there was an implicit independence in the way they played their music and handled their career. The band gave birth to the massive independent music underground in England and America that would soon include bands that didn't have a direct musical connection to the Sex Pistols' initial three-minute blasts of rage, but couldn't have existed without those singles.'
These are all fantastic quotes but they can be found for lots of other bands. Im not trying to claim that their presence was not important but that they are not the most important band of the last 50 years. No evidence can back up your claim on that. I gave my personal thoughts about them and you trashed one of the biggest bands in history and expected us to agree that you were right when in fact you are completely wrong. Yes they had some importance, that is not in doubt but the claims you make are unfounded and totally off the mark.
Your absolutely right Record sales dont show anything about how popular and influential a band are.
The Backstreet Boys and Celine Dion have both sold more records than Pearl Jam. How do you feel about that?
I feel fine about it. The Backstreet boys and Celine Dion have Im sure inspired lots of groups and artists in the last 15 years or so. The fact that I dont personally like them has no bearing on the fact they have sold records.
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Of course!
I have a soft spot for the Dead Kennedys since they're from my hometown.
My ex wife used to catch Jello Biafra and the gang at the Mabuhay and a few other San Francisco clubs in their heyday.
Haha, no they don't, not even close, Floyd have sold around 200 million records - one of the biggest bands of all time. My point was that in terms of relevance far more people own, and still buy many of Pink Floyd's albums, compared to the Sex Pistols' one record, so Pink Floyd are clearly a more popular band. So how can you back up your claim that the Sex Pistols have more relevance today?
I dont care what someone wrote on Wiki about a band they happen to like and I never voted in any of those polls as I think most music fans dont. None of them are a fair cross section of society. If it was a fair vote then I seriously doubt the sex pistols would get in there given their record sales which dont factor on any charts for the biggest selling albums. Albums that were released in the age of piracy have outsold it in 6 or 7 years so I dont think any of your claims are really that acurate
I don't need to back up my claim. I gave my reasons above. The Sex Pistols inspired, and continue to influence, more bands than Pink Floyd with their 'musical expertise' and 'over-blown theatrics' ever did.
Fuck record sales. The Stooges never sold any records, and neither did The Ramones, or Big Star, and a dozen other of the best and most influential bands of the past 50 years. Record sales mean fuck-all.
Like who? How do you quantify 'more bands'? I hear Pink Floyd's influence in loads of bands.
Oh sorry, I did not realise we were disregarding the cold facts. Your absolutely right
So in your scheme of things we should all be in awe of the New Kids on The Block, Garth Brooks, and Madonna.
I already listed them above. Why do you people keep asking me to repeat myself?
Pink Floyd became just as boring, pompous and pointless as all the other prog rock dinosaurs out there.
There's a reason punk happened, and everything that followed from punk, but clearly you don't get it.
Not in awe no. Respectful of the fact that music is all down to taste and not what an individual tries to dictate to his peers with claims that a band is the best of the last 50 years. Your original claim is what we are debating. You are trying to force your opinion on us and all we are doing is stating the facts as anyone will see them. You were debunking Pink Floyd and trying to pass it off as a fact because its what you believe rather than because of the evidence. The simple fact remains that you are wrong about the sex pistols and 99% of people will tell you so. You obviously love them which is great, Im happy that you find such enjoyment from them but I dont.
Like who? How do you quantify 'more bands'? I hear Pink Floyd's influence in loads of bands.[/quote]
I already listed them above. Why do you people keep asking me to repeat myself?
Pink Floyd became just as boring, pompous and pointless as all the other prog rock dinosaurs out there.
There's a reason punk happened, and everything that followed from punk, but clearly you don't get it.[/quote]
Its you who does not get it. Punk did not revive music or change it forever more. Prog rock was and is a fantastic genre of music. Just because Tales from Topographic Oceans or any of the big concept albums is far too clever for most does not make it pompous. Oh and remember by the way. Music does not keep coming back to punk it keeps returning to rock and blues
Except it doesn't just come down to individual taste when we look at the legacy of a particular band. The Sex Pistols sold relatively fuck-all records in their time compared to all the boring, pompous prog rock bands like Pink Floyd, Uriah Heep and Emerson, Lake & Palmer, but they have influenced more bands than any of these dinosaurs combined.
And I'm not forcing my opinions on anyone. If you like Pink Floyd so much then why don't you start a fucking thread singing the praises of Pink Floyd instead of trying to convince me that they're the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Except that isn't a fact. It's your own personal bullshit which flies in the face of the opinion of practically every respected music journalist and publication.
Oh and your quite rude too, are all the respected jounalists and publications as rude when trying to get their point across?
Sure, I'm wrong...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_Pistols#Legacy
'In 2006, it was voted #28 in Q magazine's "100 Greatest Albums Ever",[185] while Rolling Stone listed it at #2 in its 1987 "Top 100 Albums of the Last 20 Years".[186] It has come to be recognized as among the most influential records in rock history.[179][187] A 2005 Allmusic critique describes it as "one of the greatest, most inspiring rock records of all time".'
So punk did not revive or change music?
If you believe that then you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
So you think The Teardrop Explodes, Echo and The Bunnymen, Joy Divison, The Smiths, The Pogues, The Fall are anything other than relative dinosuars in the modern music scene? How about you name some current bands or some older bands that stil, bring out relevant music directly inspired by The Sex Pistols.
As for Pink Floyd, they've influenced and continue to influence plenty of bands, from Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Tool, Coldplay, Muse, Alice In Chains, STP, pretty much any prog rock band that followed them....
Oh I get it, I just disagree with you. Your're right in that most musical movements do eventually get a bit boring and then a new breed of bands take over, but as notorious as the Sex Pistols are, they didn't have a huge musical output, and they lasted a grand total of three years on the back of a single album. I'm not doubting that they were influential, but new musical trends are always spearheaded by a particular band or artist, and the outrage the Sex Pistols caused was no more profound than Elvis was gyrating his hips back in the 50's.
Talk about not looking at the big picture.
Yes I know you like using Wiki for some facts already. Wiki also sites Pink Floyd as a massive influence on lots of bands. The edge bought his first delay pedal after hearing the opening of Animals. Radiohead were inspired by them and lots of others too.
If you can't handle a dose of your own medicine then go cry to your mommy about it.
No it didnt, it moved it other directions which was great but it was no more important than all the changes that came before it. Elvis to the beatles. Pink floyd and led zep. David Bowie. The sex pistols, the clash. Madonna, Run DMC, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, oasis, blur. The list is endless of bands that changed the direction of music at that time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mSE-Iy_tFY
I am not rude, I am not F'ing and blinding to try to get my point across.
Thats so cool
The bands I mentioned did bring out relevant music directly inspired by the Sex Pistols, and three of the above are still making music today.
As for The Smiths, they were voted by readers of NME as the most influential band of all time. The Smiths were heavily inspired by the New York Dolls and the Sex Pistols.
Neither did The Stooges, or The Velvet Underground, or Big Star.
You are rude, as I pointed out by pasting your previous posts. You don't need to use the F word to qualify as rude.
I suppose this is another example of the 1% of people who are wrong in your scheme of things:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... qr5ldke~T1
'The Sex Pistols may have only been together for two years in the late '70s, but they changed the face of popular music. Through their raw, nihilistic singles and violent performances, the band revolutionized the idea of what rock & roll could be. In England, the group was considered dangerous to the very fabric of society and was banned across the country; in America, they didn't have the same impact, but countless bands in both countries were inspired by the sheer sonic force of their music, while countless others were inspired by their independent, do-it-yourself ethics. Even if they didn't release any singles by themselves, there was an implicit independence in the way they played their music and handled their career. The band gave birth to the massive independent music underground in England and America that would soon include bands that didn't have a direct musical connection to the Sex Pistols' initial three-minute blasts of rage, but couldn't have existed without those singles.'
I thought it was bad enough when your were taking wikipedia as gospel, but now you're quoting NME readers polls as being refelctive of the world's musical tastes at large
Like I said, name some current bands.
I'm not doubting that they were and are an influential band to some extent. But are you that ignorant to say that of the 200 million records Pink Floyd have sold that at least some of those people who bought them will have been musicians?
The Backstreet Boys and Celine Dion have both sold more records than Pearl Jam. How do you feel about that?
These are all fantastic quotes but they can be found for lots of other bands. Im not trying to claim that their presence was not important but that they are not the most important band of the last 50 years. No evidence can back up your claim on that. I gave my personal thoughts about them and you trashed one of the biggest bands in history and expected us to agree that you were right when in fact you are completely wrong. Yes they had some importance, that is not in doubt but the claims you make are unfounded and totally off the mark.
I feel fine about it. The Backstreet boys and Celine Dion have Im sure inspired lots of groups and artists in the last 15 years or so. The fact that I dont personally like them has no bearing on the fact they have sold records.